I wanted to clear up some misconceptions and discuss the very serious implications of the PlayerScope stalking plugin that recently went public – https://discord.gg/Q3JQaDY
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It actually came to light that this plug-in exists because of a stalker discord being discovered loaded with utterly vile people were sharing how to use it for harassment purposes. The worst case scenario is already happening.
I think this also showed many players just how easy it is to track other people's accounts in a way that feels like SE doesn't care about security much at all. It's just bad no matter how you look at it.
Dawntrail really didn't need "FFXIV has massive flaws in player privacy and protection" added to its bad publicity.
Hold on… so they expose the account id instead of the character id for the sake of blacklisting? That's just stupid. If you're not able to find the account id based on the character id (on the server) then you've made very bad decisions.
Ayyyy it's my thumbnail!! Very insightful video Sonic. Sad that we should have to face losing everything to anti-cheat because people have to be fucking creeps.
This video needs more visibility for all the insifhtful information you added here. Thank you so much for covering this, Sonic!
Thanks for the vid, and the broader perspective on the issue
It's only gone this far because Yoshi-P babies the western player's and their mods but they've proven that they're not responsible enough to have mods. From people brazenly talking about mods to all of the rampant cheating in the race to the world's first and now we have stalking mods, it's gone too far.
They also don't have to implement any anti cheat software. All they have to do is weekly micro patches ans modders won't be able to update their mods in time for the next patch.
This situation has a fairly large chance of getting the Square Enix legal team inserting themselves to prevent lawsuits imo. So I highly doubt Square Enix's lawyers let the company do nothing if they are even a tiny bit aware of this.
There is far to much irl stuff involved in this for them not to have to cover their bases legally as a result of this.
Even anticheat would either not fix this or at best make it really hard to access. Unless you want something as asinine as denuvo in its invasive nature you would find that anticheat would likely only effect the smaller mods many players enjoy. Insidious stuff like this would still happen
I wanna be stalked but i also dont wanna touch grass…final fantasy is the place for me
I beg Yoshi P to ban modding in general
who cares about this shit? this doesnt add anything on making the gameplay better bro jus play the fking game and gitgud
anyone using this mod should get a perma ban, and the mod maker should ahve cchrages pressed agaisnt them, this is the bare minimum to regain trust
and tbh anyone using this mod should also have chrages pressed because this mod serves no perpose than to enable stalking, the mod has a road map and continues to be worked on with plans to add the ability to see FC members, and to see PvP teams, there is no good faith argument here
anyone thinking this is too hars has never been stalked or seen friends or family get acosted by a stalker who turned up at their home -.-
This is littaly part of why you shouldn't be playing this game. Oh and to top it all off absolutely nothing will be done about your stalkers.
Stuff like this has been around but just private and or hidden. It's only going to get worse if they leave the back door open for players ID's to be found.
modding can be cool but i'm tired of the toxic nature of it both from modders/mod creators and non mod users on top of SE doing a subpar job of keeping this game updated.
2:20 so it links the alts together only after they have been logged individually by someone using the mod? I was under the impression that just getting your account ID from one character being logged would show them all of that ID's characters
To be honest, i don't really care. What are they going to do ? Pinch my ass over the monitor ? Come on…
and all they had to do was put a parser in the game and 80% of the players using 3rd party programs wouldnt have ever even looked it up
People who can't play without automated callout tools for FFXIV need to learn to git gud. I Savage Raided on Australian internet playing on NA servers without any third party raid management tools. If people get my cosmetic mods banned because they can't to a raid fight without an addon blaring warnings then I'm going to be very upset.
having already been stalked a couple of times over the years in FFXIV, i can't wrap my head around what compels these sorts of people to do it in the first place. like ok, yes, obviously they have an unhealthy obsession with the person/people they're stalking, but like… it's just such genuinely unhinged and insane behavior that i struggle to understand it. often times the same people are somehow unaware that their clingy obsessiveness is the exact same thing that drives the people they end up stalking away from them in the first place. the most i can understand is liking someone and scrolling through their social media profile or something – that's pretty tame and even normal. but for it to get to the point where you design an ENTIRE PLUGIN made for the SOLE PURPOSE of stalking and potentially harassing someone? or even installing a plugin like that at all? it's legit insanity. how someone could do that and not pause to reflect on whether or not their behavior is unhinged is beyond me.
also, the excuse of wanting to see who's undercutting you on the marketboard is equally as insane and does not justify it whatsoever. why does it even matter in the first place? it's a video game. undercutting isn't personal, and caring to that extent is absurd. even if you do find out who IS undercutting you… okay? what would that matter to you unless you plan on using that information to do something like harass that person? just sheer insanity.
Everyone and their mother is taking up to talk about this except SE. I think this will not be addressed at all.
And yet, shit like this isn't goign away now and the ONLY way Square takes care of it is if they crack down finally on modding and check if you're launching through the Official Launcher, and upon clicking Play, verify all the files in THEIR folder (that they own, not you) to make sure there are no other files that aren't official.
It's a tough situation, but I think they really shouldn't add an anticheat, I think that's way overstepping. It would not only alienate harmless mods, but it would also alienate everyone who plays on Linux systems. Square really should just revert the change that they themselves made IMO.
How are ppl in Danger tho?………. They can't do shit to you online but annoy you lol
Maybe there's something I don't understand because I've never been bothered by people in xiv like that, but like, if someone is following you around a lot or whatever, can't you just blacklist them? Then they disappear forever, as well as all their alts?
Ffxiv has the most fake positive community. It's all smiles and friendliness unless you do or say something to set off those petty and vindictive people hiding behind fake smiles. Also a good portion of the modders just can't help themselves, from outright cheating to absolutely tasteless coomer mods that put second life characters to shame. And don't expect some nuanced well thought out solution to these problems, squeenix would rather spend millions more on a second forspoken than give any attention to ffxiv
if they add an anti-cheat, esp something as invasive as vanguard, or what ever BDOs is called. my sub will be canceled for the foreseeable future. not only out of privacy concerns, but because i think modding is really fun and cool. obv not people actually cheating but ascetic mods and stuff are nice
My entirely uneducated assumption is that the reason SE simply hasn't implemented one yet is because their main competitor (WoW in all its forms) allows for plugins. It's one of the main advantages WoW would have over FFXIV: more customizable UI designs, boss mods, pvp mods, and, while against some ToS, you can skirt around aesthetic mods much like you can in FFXIV. The latter seems to be the main driving factor for western players to remain subbed outside of housing. By initializing an anticheat, they're losing an entire market share worth of people who came from WoW during ShB and who might simply return to WoW due to DT's lackluster performance and wide-ranging mod bans. I understand the JP community is vehemently against mods, but simply banning them from an MMO ecosystem doesn't work in the rest of the world. It's just delaying the problem because techsavvy developers will always exist. Like how people found a way to hack Helldivers or LoL in private.
Shall we talk about that chad pvp group of 6 healers? XD
No mods. No plugins. SE won't sit down and filter mods, so anti cheat is an easier solution, but and expensive one, (in this situation no "easy" methods exist…anymore) Modded hairstyles and clothes? Maybe new face or different features in general? Oh well, such a loss. No more tool to collect battle data for parses, to "improve yourself"? Not a problem if all(almost) jobs homogenized already. You can just press your buttons on a cooldown, and make them fit the DAMAGE UP CLASS ABILITY NAME and you're golden. And besides, it's not only Crits and missed positionals, it even tracks stuff that is not displayed in battle log. SO it's a win-win. Some QoL plugins like Treasure map finder, to skip the finding the place part? We have Heavenswhere for that! Thing is, SE is a business. They are not our friends, they are not our family. That's why ff14 launcher still relies on some crappy old tech of Explorer times, that's why we still have SNAPSHOTS(but mobile version does not). That's why we have shitty glam system, when you can't wear glasses, cap, and face cover TOGETHER(plust it's LIMITED in SLOTS). There's no point to improve ff14, if improvement is NOT DEEMED NECESSARY. And, in the eyes of SE it's not. People buy mogshop stuff, they still subbed, and they already bought Dawntrail. Money is made, deal is done. You know, there's a dude, that went to show how nightclubs work? and how much mods ppl use? this vid got blocked. Not because he showed how to use mare, or how to install it, he showed ppl with mods, and what mods they are using. What's the whole point? Video got TAKEN DOWN BY SE. Instead of fixing stuff, they are hiding it.
I've been undercucking everyone by 50%.
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Main take aways from this … Don’t use Mods or plugins cuz anyone can just do this to EVERY mod or plug-in ever made …
2. Don’t use Alts ever because it’s boarderline insaine and causes more issues then anyone not hiding stuff can handle
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The woest I'm expecting coming from this fiasco is SE hammering down on plugins all together
O.o >.>
0:55 hahahaha people need to stop doing this talk to us with their character thing
5:40 they finally did some form of hard mode alliance raid huh…. nice, well got what i wanted i guess
What are those informations good for? Its completelly useless.
You are making big deal out of nothing. "Oh no, someone can see i was doing my dailies in Kozamauka." How TERRIBLE.
Rofl. You could just ask.
Wont affect my ass, i dont have friends or know people on this game lmao