COME AT MY BAHAMUT BRO! Yes I’m keeping my catchphrase. Scandalous. Someone spilled the TEA! The DRAMA! My Guilty Pleasure DPS Pick!
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Timestamps:
0:00 A FFXIV Confession
0:32 Summoner is controversial
1:18 Community perceptions on the summoner
2:08 DEBUNKED Summoner DPS is low
3:32 DEBUNKED Summoner Utility is bad
4:57 Summoner is EASY and NO SKILL EXPRESSION
5:56 I call BS on that
6:20 I ENJOY THE SUMMONER GAMEPLAY
10:21 I ENJOY SUMMONER AESTHETICS
11:09 What do you guys think
Hey guy’s it’s yo boi Evyx.
Father forgive me for I have sinned. Oh great Quadfather I beg you have mercy on this poor basic guy.
I have a guilty pleasure I will reveal in this video. A deeply tragic guilty pleasure in final fantasy 14 that reminds me of back in the good old days of scene kids, emo bands and kingdom hearts of myself rushing home after playing call of duty with the bois to slam on Britney Spears on the Ipod. That guilty pleasure.
Yes I am old as . In before the comments.
For real though time for a spicy topic that I was kind of hesitant to talk about because of my own fears around the subject. What exactly my favorite DPS job is right now that I’m playing.
I say this because there is certainly negative community perception over the jobs I enjoy and yeah I’m human too and it really does get to me and make me feel nervous.
It’s Summoner. And summoner has always been one of my favorite jobs in final fantasy 14. I’m the guy that made that literally over an hour long over 100,000 views summoner video purely from passion.
That same love I have for it is gone absolutely no where. In fact I find the current iteration of the summoner more fun than ever in spite of the fact that community perception of it is to be quite frank awful.
Let’s dive into the community perceptions first, which to be frank should have little bearing on your opinion.
First up is that it’s easy. That it is small brain. That it’s rotation could be put into a single button press by using third party tools.
Secondly that it’s DPS is so incredibly vastly inferior.
Thirdly that it’s utility is so incredibly vastly inferior.
Let’s debunk the second point since that’s trivial. Pulling up a statistical analysis the DPS are incredibly close to one another. Dancer, the lowest total raid DPS is only 8.6% lower than the absolute maximum samurai. And that’s comparing a ranged physical DPS to a melee which is ridiculous and they are still only that far apart.
For summoner though compared to samurai it’s only about 5% behind.
But for the caster role summoner is slightly less than 4% behind black mage. Who also doesn’t bring combat res or additional utility beyond that.
So this DPS argument is silly. If you’re hitting enrage it’s not because of a summoner.
Also we totally don’t have on record summoners being a part of 68 of the brand new ultimate raid clears. You know the literal hardest content in the game. Now if you want something to be worried about, eye machinist’s data here and they are still doing it mindyou.
Second argument is utility. Avoiding a long dissertation on the value of each summoner has 3 solid non damaging reasons to bring it.
-Combat res. Sure they can’t do it as much as red mage and brutally hard carry — in even savage content if you need more than a handful of revives in that quick of succession blowing both healer’s and the summoner’s swiftcast in a 60 second timeframe you’re likely dying to enrage and may as well save time. Obvious exceptions exist like in ultimate weapon’s refrain uwu.
-The ability to add a metric ton of healing every 2 minutes that yes healers can plan around because 2 minutes is a very reliable timeframe.
-And most importantly mobility, which allows you to resolve mechanics and help the group perform those oh-so desirable melee uptime strats even easier. Moving on before I start prattling on why this is so valuable.
Now this gets to the third point that it’s easy which is one I’ve really wrangled with. That it’s easy and so I should feel bad.
Let’s debunk this numerically. Look at this graph. This shows the percentile ranges from the lowest percentiles to the bleeding edge absolute highest of the highest percentiles.
I call this the skill expression bar. And as you can see summoner does in fact have a pretty long skill expression bar. Numerically this is from roughly 6.4 thousand to 8.4 thousand. So a 2 thousand DPS difference. Samurai as a comparison has roughly the same 2 thousand DPS difference between min and max.
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Scandalous. I'm back again with "The Gay Agenda" of pushing bahamut and summoner down everyone's throat.
It’s so much fun! Also I would like to know more about this Quadfather religion….
What! How could anyone have beef with summoner?
They may not have THE most damage and utility but they have a balance of the two so that can hold their own.
If it’s because the job is too easy and too mobile.
1. It’ll probably get more complex in future expansions since this is a good job template to build on.
2. Can’t say anything about our mobility, jellies…
I recently picked summoner back up, and it feels really good to play. I love the mobility and the utility. I also have several keybinds that are not utilized compared to my other jobs that are full up, but I see that as a bonus. I feel like the summoner has room to grow comfortably in the future.
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Here’s hoping they bring more drama and summons to our great caller next expac. It’s been fun running her this tier but I think I’m going bard for the next one.
I've played SMN since I started back in 3.4. I played every iteration of it and this rework has been the most fun I've had with the job. I love the job for its theme, range and build-up to big moments. The pet AI was garbage and a rework a necessity we knew of since ShB. The only issue I have with the current version is how tacked on Aetherflow has become to the point of filler, in the purest sense. Personally, I'd rather have Energy Drain be a passive that grants 3 stacks of Aetherflow whenever Aethersurge is entered and one stack when carbuncle, an egi and/or gem primal is summoned. At 58 it'd upgrade to Energy Siphon. It would then give a stack of Enhanced Aetherflow, whenever a trance is entered. Enhanced Aetherflow would upgrade Fester and Painflare. For example, Painflare becomes Shadowflare.
I love SMN aesthetic. Loved the 2min rotation back then as janky as it was back then. I love the flashiness of this iterations look… but that's really it for me. The dmg and utility are stupid arguements to me, it just no longer feels fun.
To me, it's like Aglaia. It is the flashiest 24-man raid to date. Absolutely fun to look at and do……… until you realize 1 of the 24 people can wear a danger dorito and everyone can just follow them.
That's the same issue I have with SMN. Outside of burst you're pressing 1-2 buttons. Nothing to manage, nothing to punish you. Sure some optimal decision making when it comes to primal order in hard content, but that matters if you care for that and passable even when you dont. This isn't a numbers arguement, or a stats arguement, I love SMN, I just dont have fun with what it is as cool as what you're doing looks. I feel like bringing back DOT's to manage alone would be a huge up alone.
Hmm… my DPS of choice is RDM, my main since Stormblood. I just haven't had the motivation to put in time to level or learn much beyond RDM this expansion (90 MCH, 87 PLD and 85 AST are my only other jobs above 80.. as an old ARR player). I would like to have jobs leveled but right now I just don't have it in me to do it lol – living in Dragonsong suffering so far
Paired with a RPR, SAM, MCH for my raid group – I got the utility on lockdown here, RDM is onpar with SMN in DPS. I wish the damage disparity from top to bottom was smaller, down to 5%.. thing with DNC though is it's dependent also on your teammates playing well, sometimes switching partners for certain burst windows..
I think SMN is solid, the only knowledge I have of non-RDM jobs is all secondhand.. so I can only look at statistics to figure that sort of thing out.. notably popularity is probably the most important one to me.
Can we disable Ifrit's and Titan's effects without turning off other effects though. They're too obtrusive when the boss is big, like Vermillion-Scourge-in-your-face obtrusive.
I didn't realize that the summoner DPS was so lacking. It is super fun to play and it not only always has something that you can be doing but it's all instant class so it feels so active and involved. I'm probably terrible with it but it's entertaining.
Last comment. Promise!
You were right about the constant dopamine hits!
Summoner isn’t a job that builds up like most jobs do, it vibes.
They arent put into single button by 3rd party tools… they can be put into 1 button with the basic ff14 macro functionalities.
Endwalker summoner is 100% more fun then previous summoner keep up dots was not fun at all
Summoner is fine all jobs are viable
I don't raid but I play AST as my main job and even though it took me a while, I am finally on a place where I feel okay to play the DPS jobs that maybe do not make the most DPS and aren't the most complex but I am having fun. And that's what a game should be about, especially in casual content. I made plenty of very awkward experiences playing DNC as my main DPS for the past expansion where I was told and shown the disapproval by others since "it hardly counts as a job because it's too easy". I picked up Summoner on lvl 90 a week ago and I'm having so much fun, it's a nice balance out to my main that is more hectic.
worst dps? you did pretty well yesterday in zodiark ex i was silva nelhah yesterday i was the dragoon
I am proud to say my main is a Summoner and I absolutely LOVE the Summoner. I agree with your entire video…again!
I like new SMN, I main SCH and BLM so it's a nice change of pace. Is it simple? Yes, but I think it gets way too called out for it when, to me, it's the same level of difficulty as DNC and RDM and I also think it's a good starting point for the devs to build on in future expansions. It's fun for the tines you run with randoms and want raise power or just want a more chill run IMO. And as a BLM player, the DPS argument is ridiculous, the vast majority of SMNs are gonna be doing much closer to their max DPS vs BLM where a lot of players are gonna be lucky to hit that level of DPS unless it's a fight they've done many times, it's not as black and white as a lot of people seem to think. P.S. Phoenix gets slept on, that heal is nothing to turn your nose up to, IMO, people undervalue it compared to RDM when it's arguably more helpful in groups with strangers if people aren't dropping like flies to everything.
I honestly assumed it would be "Dancer".