I forgot to mention that assassinate is now the lower level version of dream within a dream and shadow fang has also been removed.
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I've been playing nin since 2.4 and it really is as bad as everyone is saying.
It's actually horrific, AND it does the lowest damage.
Ayyyy
Doing the new normal raid, staying at max melee. Use Raiju in rotation, charge into close melee ranged. Get hit by mechanics.
Bruh.
They’ll probably make forked raiju a non gap closer in 6.1
Yeah, after this I'm gonna stay on Reaper, and Ninja was my main DPS back in Shadowbringers
Just make mudras ogcds again and bring back shadow fang the job is so garbage now
Every time I play ninja:
party: don't worry about it, just do the thing.
me: (trick attack)
party: yaaay!
I agree with the Raiju change, just changing it so we can hold onto it is enough in my eyes. And potency buffs too
Main ninja since its release. I love this iteration, but we need a tweak in raijus gap closer and higher potencies overall. No one should be discouraged to play ninja if they enjoy it. And also remember, this game cares about balance and this will be addressed as always.
The lack of flexibility is just extremely counter-intuitive. For Reaper, losing your stack because you used another GCD when you yourself prepped it by choice spending 50 out of your 100 gauge feels alright, it feels like you can choose when it happens. With Ninja you feel locked. You either dash, use another raiton to get another stack or keep spamming ranged attack. Why would they make Ninja so rigid makes absolutely no sense to me.
Ok something I've been wondering for a while, obviously the Raiju skills aren't Ideal but….. Don't you have like, 30 seconds to choose when you use Raiton? Like I get that monkey DPS brain wants to press big button the moment it comes off cooldown but you have two charges of mudra and 30 seconds in between charge so you can use Raiton like, ANY time in that 30 second window without technically wasting it. So can't you just wait within those 30 seconds for when the fight or the mechanics line up for you to use Raiton and then the Raijus?
My only issue with forked / fleeting is in fact it takes you further in than max melee and that just causes some issues here and there. I agree that just allowing the use of other skills could solve it.
I’m awaiting the potency pass. Everything else feels great.
Sometimes you talk way too fast. I can't follow what you're saying without having to replay parts of the video and I've been playing this game at a high level since ARR.
Very different than your savage and ex guide videos that I usually recommend to my raid group.
Never played ninja. Never intended to play ninja.
But now that I hear that people don’t like ninja it makes me want to play it lol.
The double-click to place bubble skills change is incredible. I play a lot of SCH and NIN and it feels SO satisfying to place an absolutely perfect Sacred Soil with preplaced cursor that JUST covers all 8 players an instant before the damage comes in. NIN doesn't have that level of satisfaction but the change makes Doton break the flow so much less.
Forked Raiju drove me away from the job. Just having to juggle so many gap closers during boss mechanics and at risk of losing them if we do any other GCD just isn't fun to me. Part of my love for Ninja came from how flexible it can be with Raitons, Shukuchis, and gauge burning during filler downtime, despite being on a strict burst windows at each minute. Raiju just kind crapped all over that with needing to burn dashes and being locked on the boss, completely nuking the flexibility.
For now, I'm dropping the class. Moved onto Samurai for the time being and then revisiting after they rework Raiju.
I think if they let you use other skills w/o losing stacks, and made it an oGCD, it’d fix most of the clunky feeling and bring their dps up to a more respectable level at the same time. As of now, I can’t justify playing my old main when I can enjoy the other melees way more, and they’re that much more rewarding on top of it
Making it not break on weaponskills is not enough, they have to make the gcd faster (MCH Heat Blast is a 1.50s GCD) or make it an oGCD. It's not acceptable that I have to press the same button over and over 4-6 times to do my optimal rotation even if I'm not forced away from the boss. Also, they should make only Forked Raiju a gap close, why would anyone have two gap closes in a combo chain? It doesn't make sense…
You didn't mention we lost Shadow Fang and Assassinate and how bland the job is on pre-90 content, NIN was boring outside its burst window in 80 content, now it's even worse.
I wish they'd change forked and fleeting raiju to make it more impactful. I'd rather each stack of the buff increase the potency of the next forked and fleeting, because I personally really like optimizing trick attack time. This hits 2 birds with one stone:
1. It helps raiju feel more impactful. I'm using a chidori, why do I barely do more damage than my 1-2-3 combo?
2. If you're optimizing trick correctly, you have room for exactly 1 forked and 1 fleeting in your trick window, and so only having the one forked and fleeting helps it fit into trick perfectly, and you don't have a 6 gcd window where you cannot use other weapon skills.
they have already adressed forked and fleeting raiju as they left it as weaponskills and forgot to change them into abilities and will be patched in 6.1
I won't pretend I am that knowledgeable about Encounters…but how many situations are there where you'd want to use two gap closers one after another? Was it just designed that way to be more of a hassle?
Honestly I really dislike the Raijus… idk why they thought a GCD gapcloser that procs another GCD gapcloser that you have to use at a specific point because they charges can fall off would be a good idea. I think it being a gapcloser and locking you in the animation is part of the problem but my biggest issue is how forced it is. If they just made the charges last for some time without falling off when you use your normal rotation the job would feel so much better already imo.
I'm a ninja main who is just about to start Shadowbringers, so I'll just assume that they'll have everything fixed by the time I get to Endwalker lol
My advice would be making the first raiju non-gap closer while making the second one stay as the same but not lose it when used any other gcd so we can save it for when we actually need it.
Reducing potency a bit and making both raiju attacks off global would be ideal imo. Would eliminate the combo problem and make the job just feel smoother. Gap closer would still be a problem, though I like the gap closer for less strenuous content. Still, if I can hold it, it won’t be a big deal if it remains such.
However, keeping it on global, if they simply allow the buff to stay active when doing other things, and increase the duration to around 30-45 seconds, we would be in business, because then you can basically have a pocket gap closer.
If we keep it on the global, another idea would be to speed up the cooldown to a base of, say, 1.5s so we can get rid of those stacks in a timely manner.
If ninja still feels this annoying for Savage, I got Samurai up my sleeve, hopefully I can practice it to a decent level in time. If not, summoner or Red mage are at the ready
If they made it so that you could only press each mudra button once (so you don’t mess up), idc how weak the job is, I would play the shit out of it lol.
Finished leveling Ninja to 90 three hours ago & I'm really sad how Raijus just look dope aesthetically but lets just wait for balance. Until then here are the following below stuff I'd like to see:
1. Keep Raijus but never let it break a combo cause if it'll stay like this then many will consider not using it too much or simply go for another job.
2. Why in the world they removed Shadow Fang!?
On regards to aesthetics I personally miss Jugulate animation so much wish if they replace it's animation with Armor crush tbh.
Next job should be Bard & i have to say it looks sharp & neat 😍
This version of NIN is bad. 60 huton is effectively a nerf, you have to armor crush more. Because you can't GCD during raiju, huton can be tight, we should still be at 70 cause of how raiju works. You can't max melee during raiju meaning you can't hit the boss with chariot aoes where normally you can max melee, you have to throw daggers and raiju is too low for what its worth. My opinion. Been maining NIN for 6 years. You should be able to GCD during raiju. Also I don't think 6 gap closers is "good". Anyway, well see what happens. And NIN was also nerfed in UCoB. Feels super bad. It's not unplayable, but this version sucks to play at times.
funny when games 20 years ago had better gameplay/action combat. just check out Pirate of the Black cat or Destrega from PS1 era. like FFX-2 from PS era. or RaiderZ
I main ninja since hw and I hate raiju and the new dream with in a dream, before you can choose when to do it now your stuck in completing it all at once and then raiju isn't flexible and feels slow and the animation lock is annoying. I dropped it and now main rdm for my dps role until they fix these problems
so glad RDM melee combo doesn’t work like Raiju.
No one seems to be mentioning the short animation lock that comes with the skill. And when using 2, 3 or even 4 back to back that's a lot of lock. Agree with all the comments though, have it a buff that lasts longer and isn't broken by other gcds and make it an oGCD. That would increase our overall dps too.
one thing I kinda want is for phantom kamaitachi to deal the extra bunshin damage, it feels weird to use an attack designed for bunshin and technically lose a bunshin hit, even if it's typically not losing damage
please For the love of god make the first part of raiju ogcd as well. Fitting everything into trick is impossibleWheb you have 8-10 seconds worth of non-main combo non mudra on gcds. 2 Raijus and kamaitachi is 10 seconds worth of gcds. Having the first half weavable would be so nice.
Imo just being able to hold forked for like 20 secs would solve all the problems I have with it.
disable your part members damage numbers. Why would you want more bloat on the screen?