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Please DO NOT mention the name of the addon/tool in question. Thank you.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/515102-Regarding-the-Use-of-Third-Party-Programs-and-Player-Safety
What's next…. SE might have to move towards force installing tools like Bungie does with Destiny 2, anti cheating things?… I don't like this, not one bit. I QUIT and will never go back to Destiny 2 because of the anti cheat install and I will quit FFXIV if they make me do it too. They shouldn't have to punish EVERYONE for the actions of one.
What a non answer to the actual issues with the blacklist… the program is already out there, who knows who has it. "Don't use 3rd party tools" wow but you won't enforce it. either anti cheat or fix the blacklist
It's honestly kind of incredible to me just how badly this blew up in their face. I think we can all agree that the changes to the blacklist feature were made with every intention of making the game a safer environment for the players. We live in a time though, where we can't really trust that some people won't take it too far. If somebody finds a way to exploit something like this, they will, and they will do so to the very limits of what can be done. And they will share it with other people.
I'm part of the RP community, and stalking is a sort of problem RPers have to deal with too, because people can't separate in-character with out of character. There's already a heavy stigma associated with RPers. Most of us just want to tell stories using this big, wonderful, virtual playground. That's pretty much the case in any MMO's RP scene. I think it's unfortunate that people would feel they need to make an alt character in order to take part, but…here we are.
It reads like a 'we aware'-statement to let people know that they acknowledge that such a mod exists. A thing a lot of player wanted them to do. Changing how server-client communication works is nothing you can do with a few changes of codelines. So not talking about what they are going to do doesnt mean they are not changing anything about the problem. And yeah – i think there should be some legal actions involved. Making boobs or butts bigger or displaying nipples on characters isnt the same as a mod that makes it easy to harass other player by showing their whole characters+alts+retainernames and so much more. A player isnt affected at all by cosmetic mods used by others but they are affected by this mod. I simply dont want some random player i just walked by in a city to know how i named my retainer or what alts i have.
Should definitely pursue legal action. Yes it won't fix the exploit, but that's different teams anyway. Need to have at least an example, or people like that will think they can do anything they want in the community. It's gone downhill for some time now, and this needs to stop. Clicking through twitch and getting random xxx mod streams is already unacceptable in my opinion.
Which Third party tool is this? I get not wanting to say, but I’d like to know so I can make sure I avoid it.
At first. I thought it was stupid to add something like that. Then mention "stalking" then that actually click what it can be used.
someone else can make it not public. the issues is the blacklist coding itself.
I think being blanket anti mods is not a good take, I do however agree that the mod in question is not a good tool.
Oh Meoni, why?
Why is your first response to this statement to gaslight the FFXIV community for not policing themselves properly?!
Shouldn't the developers be held reponsible for engineering (unintentionally or otherwise) exploits that can be used to damage the safety of their customers?
Creative Studio 3 is 100% in charge of the back-end infrastructure for FFXIV, NOT us!
Furthermore, I would like to hear someone ask why there was no mention in their official statement that they are working on a way to fix the vulnerability? Does that mean they don't have a plan to address it on their end and are just hoping it will just go away and fix itself? For goodness sake they didn't even offer an apology!!
No wonder this game has so many problems with influencers and players that point the finger anywhere but Yoshi P when things go wrong.
Perhaps it is time to stop evangelising the man and start demanding accountability!
We're at the point where players are using mods to see who is using bots on the marketboard — seriously, Square? This situation is so far out of control, and has been for YEARS. Bots, mods, RMT — and Square never fixes the underlying problem that allows all of this to run rampant
It's not ACT is it?
I need that.
The thing is… Yoshi P said nothing about SE fixing the exploit that allowed the mod to exist to begin with. And he's relying on playerbase honor to delete the mod… the same player base that, when he asked multiple times to stop using mods, flipped him the bird and doubled down on the mods. They need to add an anti-cheat to the game. Cuz all this threat of legal action is going to do, is make someone who probably already has the mod or the source code for said mod, to duplicate it in secret to use. The fact the thing uses the new blacklist feature is the problem. Store that info server side, not client side good gods!
I hope with this one they take the nuclear option, someone wants to do tiktok dances on Zenos grave, that hurts nobody but my alts are alts for a reason
For about a million years Yoshi-P has been saying that players should not be using 3rd party tools. Plain and simple. Over and over and over again.
Yet somehow, the community kept ignoring him.
And now that shit has finally hit the fan, everyone is crying and blaming Yoshi-P for damages caused by 3rd party tools.
You can't make that shit up.
Furthermore, all you keyboard warriors with absolutely zero knowledge about how servers are run, no competences whatsoever when it comes to software engineering or programming, telling the professionals at Square Enix to "just" do it your brilliant and easy way … Don't you think they'd already done it that way if it was that simple?
There's been a lot of disappointment recently with the direction FFXIV is heading, sure.
And yes, criticism is absolutely necessary to improve certain aspects.
But for the love of God, the backlash Yoshi-P is getting for this here is uncalled for and unjustified.
no one gives a shit, not even SE. If they did, they'd block them. Mods need to end and this is getting ridiculous. it's not gonna fucking stop until someone gets seriously in trouble. I don't give a shit how much people like modding in cute clothes it all needs to be banned
While I don't use many addons in almost any game… I think the idea that mods are inherently evil is problematic. Mods generally exist for two scenarios:
1) The devs failed to account for something important to players. Example, accessibility features are often modded in because the devs don't have a thorough enough accessibility team to account for all of the possible needs like specific colorblind modes or specialized controllers the game doesn't natively support, etc. Another example, chat bubbles style text displays. Doesn't matter to me, but for a lot of people it makes the game feel way better so players find a way. A third example, personal damage meters. The game has no means for players to determine if they are improving at their class, so players find a way.
2) A security flaw allows for an exploit. This is this case. However, there are two sides to this. Players absolutely shouldn't exploit flaws… but it also shouldn't be the player's sole responsibility to address security flaws and exploits. The devs have to do their job too and fix thhem.
Option 2 is inherently evil… but option 1 is just players trying to make the game better for themselves. Do those occasionally lead to players fostering unhealthy behaviours? Absolutely. But that doesn't make the design evil. And it doesn't mean that they shouldn't exist.
Let me see if I understand.
Someone developed a plug-in that harvests data and, while it can be used constructively, people can also use it to harass other players.
This data gets uploaded to the Internet and now there's a whole database that people can peruse to view data on players that they haven't even interacted with yet.
Anyone who doesn't want this data shared can go and to the data broker, sign in with some personal info, and opt-out of having said data available.
Was I talking about ACT or Playerscope?
The community has been fine with player data being shared communally without consent and used for harassment for decade and now it cares?
All he said was we aren’t fixing the problem
3rd party tools keep this game going