Futures Rewritten mechanics have been added to the Final Fantasy Sim and people on Reddit argue if pplayers should or shouldn’t use the XIV Sim to help get their raid clears. Xeno argues that the simulator is good for FFXIV mainly because it can save you a lot of time & make the prob more consistent and fun.
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i think sims are great ngl, but sadly i cant get them to run very well. sims just lag and load weird for me every time lol
I had an argument with a bitching healer in one of my statics a few tiers back, where she wouldnt come to practice in a sim because it was against the rule, she prefered to wipe the party for hours on simple mech she couldnt figure on her own. When i took Xeems UwU voice and told her that discord wuz a thurd partu tool as wul uwu" she blocked me and left the static lmao. We cleared the tier the next night
I cleared TOP faster than DSR due to sims being fully operational solo for P5 and 6. That;s how powerful they can get to be.
People acting like taking longer to clear a fight is a good thing. Okay no life, stay on this game forever lmao
As a retired raider's opinion, as long it's not connected to the game or built into the game, it's not cheating
people also seem very selective on what is and isnt cheating with zero consistency, if means of practice like this, or external planning is cheating, then so too are sacc strats intended to manipulate, or skip mechanics
I mean most pf raiders use 7 other people to sim anyway so I feel like sim out of the game is fine 😅
There is 0 tie-in or interaction between a website simulation and your game files. There is no TOS being broken.
People are coping if they think this is cheating. The people who think this is cheating are people who have never done savage or an ultimate. I've only cleared UwU twice and my first clear, myself and my static used one for Ultima's Predation mechanic and it helped us immensely with learning it.
The only advantage to not using the sim is the self-satisfaction of feeling like you conquered a difficult mechanic from seeing it 50 times (if not more). Problem is, you're wasting 7 (more if you're in multiple parties) other peoples' time to accomplish a selfish whim.
yep, perfectly legit. as other comments have pointed out, just like discord, because this sim doesnt interact with the game at all, it's not against TOS. it's technically considered a "second party tool", the same as using paint or a raid planner for communicating strats
It's basically to me akin to using a study guide to study and prepare for a test or a certain subject that you know will be on a test. Or using flash cards really. I don't see a problem with it tbh.
I >mostly< agree with Xeno about the sims, however it is actually false to think of the sim as a be all end all solution. For instance, the sim teaches you HOW to resolve it, but it will be different in game. Both from the visual tells and minor mistakes/differences between the sim and in game. You also aren't focusing on additional things, such as dealing damage, healing, or mitigating. I believe there was also an article where Yoshi-P was asked about sims and was ok with it because it didn't interact with the game data, but did also give the usual warning of being careful since SE has no control over these sims and that players interacted with them at their own risk.
My bigger issue personally is the RELIANCE on addons and plugins, cause the second they're down then a lot of people can't do the mechanics. Hell, I've met people who can't even resolve Nael's lightning debuffs without AM, so there very much is for some people an overreliance on outside tools.
Xeno said it himself, it's a waste of everyone's 12 mins just to get to crystalize time and wipe in 5 seconds. So why are you doing ultimates? Everyone knows that's how ultimates are and you chose to do them knowing a core part of its challenge and design is starting from the beginning after every wipe. If sims didn't exist that's the only way you'd be able to practice later mechanics, is by getting through the earlier phases. Artificial difficulty? That's completely subjective and can be applied to anything you don't like. Aoes doubling up when someone dies, untelegraphed aoes, having 1s less to solve a mechanic, are technically all artificial difficulty, the same way you can't practice a later phase without going through the first 12 minutes of the fight.
Simming isn't cheating though and anyone that thinks so is just dumb, but that's not the point. It's another tool that makes the content easier. These fights are supposed to be difficult and whether you agree with the challenge of grinding 12 minutes of a tedious fight just to practice 5s of a new mechanic, it's the entire point of the content and if you don't like it then why are you doing it? Simming like every other tool that are and aren't cheats, are lame. It's fine if you want to use these tools but it's annoying when you don't want to acknowledge how it dilutes the content.
If you wanna “purity test” the sim you gotta be doing it blind too.
in a static environement i pref not using it as i feel being able to learn quickly and manage stress late in the fight are qualities requiered from a player in ultimates. i do not judge ppl using it, i just feel my experience is lessen if i do
I'm a pilot in training, and if I told my flight school I don't want to practice IFR on a flight simulator, not only would they think I'm an idiot, they'd tell me I can't get my certification if I don't register my required simulator hours. Simulators are a must for a lot of learning, cutting time, and knowledge building.
Now, in a goddamn video game, which isn't even a competitive game but coop, why on Earth wouldn't I use a simulator to practice mechanics that are far into a boss fight and avoid wasting everyone's time by wiping over and over until I get it right?
My definition of cheating is pretty simple: It's cheating if it's some tool or software that interacts with the game to make the fight easier, either by solving mechanics or playing the game for you or showing you stuff you are not supposed to see. So stuff like splatoon, automarkers etc. Simulators are not connected to the game in any way so I don't think it's cheating.
People put way too much emphasis on the sim. Like it's a make or break for practice. It's a nice tool to have, to understand how mechanics resolve and positions to be in but it will never be a full substitute for actually being present in the game. People act like it's cheating because it's a 1 to 1 transfer, it's not lmao.
The one potential downside to sims is that there can be quirks that are different from the game that can get you used to specific things that will kill you in game. As long as you don't oversim though, even that is a very minor issue.
I understand both sides. Part of the intended difficulty of the Ultimates is the fact that it's a gauntlet that resets everytime you wipe. An ultimate would be much less difficult if there was a checkpoint after each boss, for example.
That being said, I think that's a lame way of making something difficult, and so a sim helps take out the BS and focus on the other portion of the difficulty which is herding your goofy ahh teammates into getting in the right position. I think it's cheating for sure, but like Xeno said, I don't really care if you're cheating if you don't wipe me.
If someone were to argue sims are "cheating" I would slap them. A sim is practicing seeing the mechanic. Sims are not the end all be all when it comes to the mechanics. They give you an idea of how to solve it movement wise to practice to help cut down the "panic" of getting there the first time only to throw the run away.
Sims don't have the outgoing damage healers and the group need to use for mit. Your rotation to optimize dps. It's out of the game, its an internet browser. If you argue Sim is "cheating" then using guides, or writing up strats for your team is "cheating".
You don't want to use a sim for some weird reason, don't use it.
Combat sim is an incredible tool! Normal people who have jobs and even some sort of life need this tool. Anyone complaining and especially taking the time to condemn others, do not have a life of their own, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Sims are great and I find it wild that people would be against them.
If sims are "cheating" then I ask where the difficulty of the game is anymore. Is it memorizing a touhou? Is it learning the touhou? It sure as fuck isn't playing the damn classes or the actual combat with the boss, and hasn't been since Gordias or Midas…
It’s like taking a mock exam to prep for the real thing. The sim is fan made and doesn’t have anything to do with the game nor does it interact with the game in any capacity.
It's absolutely not cheating, that's why we need to go through multiple hoops and mental gymnastics to prove it isn't!
As an also almost 40 year old human, I don't have time to prog on content, if I'm going to do the challenging stuff, I don't want to waste my time or someone else's either. Soni watch guides, do the sim or whatever so I can get a clear in the few hours I have to myself between work and family. It's the same reason people get pissed in PF, we all have lives outside of this and just want to have fun and get the clear to make us happy.
Tldr: the Sim and stuff save us time so we can have fun and get the clear.
Nah. 2:00 in and I can't watch anymore. What's the point of these videos if I can't hear Xeems over his chat making stupid ass sounds non-stop
I don't get what is difficult about what is and isn't cheating.
Does it modify the game, in real time, to do things that are otherwise not possible to do with the game using native behaviour, eg showing the AoE circles for mechs that have them disabled, or macros that are capable of things the built in macros cannot do? Then it's a cheat.
Are you using native behaviour to do things that were clearly unintended, eg performing actions which let you bypass invisible barriers or duplicating items? That's exploitation, which is a form of cheating.
Not all ToS violations are cheating, but cheating is a ToS violation.
When it comes to the ToS, it is strictly focused on things which upset the balance of the game. This includes automated or absentee play. It also lists what constitutes a ToS violating use of data.
Anything that modifies, analyses, integrates or reverse engineers game data is ToS breaking. What constitutes game data is not defined (i.e it doesn't explicitly say if generated game logs are considered game data or not).
So, if the online simulator replicates the game and encounters to its best ability from observations, it's probably ok. If it actually uses files from the game, then it would probably breach ToS. In either case, it's not cheating as it doesn't impact the game balance in real time anymore than simply practicing the encounter over and over. You still have to access the content and play it to win.
Have people forgotten the definition of cheating? Is it cheating to practice before a game? Is studying before a test cheating? Sims dont impact the fight in game.
It objectively is not cheating, and this is an idiotic debate. Sims don't drop you into a late phase of the actual fight; they are pretend simulations that allow you to study and practice mechanics. They are like interactive guides. If they're cheating, so is watching a VOD or a Hector video.
If the sim is cheating then using aim labs to practice/train your aim for valorant and cs is cheating
Both, next question.
I got no static or friends and cant find any fresh grps… ima use the sim lol 😅
The fall of faith one seems programmed incorrect. The tether spawn order was randomized in the sim when its always boss > NW > N > NE in game
If this is cheating then watching hector guides is cheating lmao can’t believe this is even a debate
Fix the glamour dresser, glamour system, and title system, then I will care about the effort to clear ultimate in vanilla manner. Otherwise, don't care if people use Simulator, or ACT, or anything beyond those.
People who dont sim should be blacklisted, keep the Ultimate playerbase pure xffing
I think sim helped a lot on top, but somehow I don't like it on FRU ( CT / Exas in P5 ) ( obviously very personal ) but I feel like there's some important details that you wouldn't notice in the sim but only while practicing the mechanic, now for sure it saves quite a lot of time in general
Solid video
Sims are honestly really great to have.
I raid on console (w/ keyboard and mouse) because my current pc isn’t strong enough to properly run 14 and in dire need to be upgraded but I can still run the sims on it and practice mechs in my free time to save time but also learn and bring the knowledge into the fights. Whether in pf or in static
Simulations require data-mined files, which is technically against TOS; you don't necessarily have to be for or against something to call it what it is. Have fun and stop caring what people think (I guess?).
People make the weirdest hills to die on. It is just tribal us/them gate keeping idiocy.
FFXIV raid sims are the whiteboards of the new age. If John Madden had little animated football dudes to go along with his markers it would've been great. This is the nerd version.
It's separate from the game and just streamlined so someone who has the knowledge doesn't have to constantly re-draw shit on microsoft paint.
I would definitely kick someone if they joined my pf and did something like automarkers or spoiling mechanics because I do everything blind. And I say that in the pf description, so sims would be a problem. I like the process of figuring things out as a party, regardless of how old I get or how long it takes.