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You can clear Ultimate, whatever, the hardest thing in FF14 so that you can brag about it. But you'll never have Yoshi-p's or anyone else's respect if you cheat, and that is much more important and valuable than any clear.
IMO they should just stop making this type of content. People will always cheat. IMO banning people for using non cheating mods in FF14 would be a mistake, and even if they don't like it, it will kill the games player base, and that is a guarantee. MMO's that don't allow players to play the way they want never succeed. Whether that means changing the UI, or making using your skills easier, reskinning items or characters, or marking stuff on the map or in game via an overlay.
There are mods similar to what is presented in this video that do a similar thing without cheating. For example, bosses use skills in a specific order at specific times. Most bosses the mechanic is the same every time, and safe spots are always the same, and even if something seems random, there is actually a preset. As such someone can plot all this out visually, and use it as an overlay on the game to learn a difficult fight faster. There is such a mod that does this and I think its fine. When those visuals change to generating lines from your character to specific locations of the map to stand, that's when its going overboard.
Like it or not every person who plays FF14 is benefiting from someone using mods in some way to get an achievement. You can't ban everyone. It is far easier to simply stop making this type of content as a whole.
damn she really needs to get of ff14. shit has made her all crazy bilbo eyes. its just a game not like they got money or anything from beeing world 1st. u know beeing world first in a game literally means nothing, its just a game. this is a reason I stopped ff14, community is fcking degenerate times 100x weeb.
btw I love anime and all that shit, I´ve grown up with ff genre and played all games, but these ppl that play ff14 are not normal.
Why does zepla have this weird southern drawl all of a sudden?
some mad respect for ff rn
Maybe dont make it so hard people have the need to cheat to beat the fight?
It isn't just for world first though, the use of third party tools is rampant. I think they need to ask themselves why do so many feel they need to use these tools.
They are not there for fun. Most are there for rewards.
I'm with Arthas on this, i don't know how anyone didn't expect it, i am an ex hardcore raider and for most times these "tools" are vital and almost mandatory in some groups. there were even groups that would straight up deny you even joining if you weren't able to use them. though those are rare but they do happen.
We discuss this later in our Zoom meeting
The biggest thing I'd disagree on is her section defending ACT, but then shunning other plugins. While there is certainly a difference between a parsing tool and camera hacks, Yoshi has a zero tolerance policy on all add ons and it's a hypocritical stance to still say ACT is acceptable. It provides a very clear advantage of being able to study DPS output, and DPS checks are a cornerstone for on content savage and especially on content ultimate.
But more importantly, this shows a deep rooted issue that is Yoshi's own doing. His unwillingness over the years to acknowledge certain tools being acceptable means we now have this situation which technically means even a party member using gshade can get your clear taken away. In the eyes of the ToS, using ACT carries the same potential punishments as using Splatoon or Cammy which is a failure in policy design. I understand the community may have become a bit relaxed on it, but it isn't only the community to blame.
Cheating Plugins are dumb. I mean I would never do Ultimates with or without such tools because I find all of the weapons absolutely ugly, but still.
Unfortunately, I think it's already endemic. The idea of not having to download 500 UI add ons was a major selling point for me when I started playing last year, as it was pretty annoying having to keep up with that in my WoW days. Joined an FC with some IRL friends. Played through the MSQ and absolutely loved every minute of it (apart from the thousand year slog between ARR and HW lel), unfortunately upon completing Endwalker we were informed there was literally no chance we would get to raid with FC without add ons, especially as a new player since it was obviously completely infeasible that we could learn and improve our play without add on crutches, so we cleared P4 normal on party finder and moved on to other games.
None of this is intended to shit on the game or community, I'm aware my experience may be abnormal, and I fully intend to return to finish MSQ next expansion, I leave this story here only to point out that this is not just a problem in the top tier FCs.
I'ma be real, I just hope this "guilt by association" thing is just a special case and doesn't become the new normal. I've played vanilla for years and have no desire to download mods, cosmetic, gamebreaking, or otherwise, so I'd appreciate not losing my item drops and titles just because someone in my party decided to install a fancy calculator or a hair mod.
Not a lot of sympathy for people who lost rewards here. Surely it will take them less time to get them having cleared it (with mods), to clear it without mods, than a team who hasn't. It might take you 100 hours to clear it the first time, it won't take you 200 hours to clear it twice.
So, fun story about people saying Yoship "allows mods". A MENTOR in novice network was telling sprouts that "Yoship says mods are fine as long as you don't talk about them", after I told a sprout not to talk about the fact he was using mods. I literally had to dig up the lodestone articles where Yoship had said "NO MODS. EVER" before they would shut up about mods being "allowed".
So yeah, people really do say "Yoship says mods are OK", and will double down hard when challenged about it.
"Cough cough Alexander"is a 3rd party tool.
Well it's good to know that even i can now be a top tier player. The only thing i need is some "help" 😀
37:44 realy?? I mean good luck with suing someone who live in like "bizzare" part of the world.
I agree with Yoshi P the true world first will be done by a party that doesn't use any tools, regardless of who actually gets the first clear. maybe we will never never know who that is, maybe we will. but regardless cheating of any kind shouldn't be tolerated in this community, clout means nothing.
Everyone says they're cheating….. They just called in a UAV
Who. Cares………
They should just perma ban people using 3rd party tools and call it a day make yoshi ps life easier since it’s against the tos
About quote in 18:10 that using 3rd party tool should be expected and using anything that can be used as advantage to win a race is common thing then sorry but reporting other players (with evidance) for cheating should also be considered as meaning to win.
It is PvE, you get nothing extra from being first, who cares? People pride too much for fame, over nothing. PvP cheaters are the real problem, because that actually impacts others.
I think anything except logging is going too far. Even logging is obviously against TOS and you can in theory get banned for it, but given that logs get uploaded to a public website, it's obvious that SE could chase people down but choose not to. Them choosing not to pursue people who record combat logs IS A FAVOUR TO THE COMMUNITY. People who use the fact that they don't enforce no combat logging to claim that therefore anything goes, or it's SE's fault for not being clear because despite their messaging, they don't actually ban for this one thing are only going to force SE's hand and result in people actually getting suspensions for combat logging. I don't think anyone wants that. So the answer is just don't use any mods other than combat logging. It's really that simple. Anything that feeds you stuff live, during the fight, just do not do it.
If people choose to continue taking these shortcuts and then blame SE, they're only shooting themselves in the foot – and the rest of the raiding community along with them. They'll lose the ability to log things with ACT, or even just lose ultimate raids altogether. Instead of trying to rules lawyer this, show some responsibility.
The whole "halo product" argument does not work if it is attracting negative attention instead of positive. To anyone who doubts that they'll cut ultimate raids if they have to, I invite you to go look at the second ultimate raid of Shadowbringers.
"Hardcore" Players: I need my super difficult content!!!1eleven
Ultimate drops
"Hardcore" Players: Uhhh, not that hard… installs mods and clears Where is my Hardcore Content?!?!
Face it, if you need mods to clear the content, that only 1 % of the playerbase is supposed to clear, you're not in these 1 %. Maybe you're in the top 5 %, but not the real top 1 %.
I feel like we are tipping closer and closer to heavy anti cheats. I don’t want it, but I don’t feel like the cheating is gonna stop. I feel like this is gonna get to a point where we either we lose ultimates or get heavy anti cheats.
I'm of the mind that if your add-ons don't affect other people, like forcing people to see your visual mods, but as a Scholar main, and a console player besides, I wouldn't scoff at having an add-on to tell me when a raid wide is about to go off. Mostly cause a swift kick in the butt would be useful for me.
If they really want to acknowledge a world first run in the future the FF14 team will have to host it themselves, and I think it would be a great way of culturally keeping things in check; give the funds and vetting to people willing to perform live and prove that anyone can still beat these things at the highest level of comp with just vanilla resources. Because the entire point of them having a don't ask, don't tell or god forbid flaunt policy on third party tools is because they want to be the ones steering the ship. Yes, most people don't modify the game for malicious or game destabilizing reasons… but the minority of people who don't care are going to use the majority as a smokescreen to do whatever they want. They aren't accountable to the players paying subs or the board of directors holding stocks in the company. And if certain people decide one day to push the line where it's mainstream that the game is developing into this big open-source thing, taken way more seriously it drives off the growth of the game from many people who game casually or might never have even played an MMO. And I think it really sucks because the moding community has done many amazing things ahead of the curve, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that several of the QoL or just cool aesthetic features that do eventually come officially to the game are because a dev found a fan who made it off the grid.
They deleted a teams stuff in COILS
I feel the same vibe as in "Please add easy difficulty to Dark Souls games".
The main reason to play Dark Souls is to challenge oneself. Not everyone can beat this game. This is exactly why Dark Souls gamers have that "elite" aura and beating the game can be considered a personal achievement.
If you want easy mode in Dark Souls for yourself, just acknowledge the truth that you want to look like "an elite gamer" without investing into getting gud. You don't care about the game, you just want to be respected. And adding easy mode will remove that "eliteness" from the game, since after that everyone will be able to beat it. Thus you won't be respected for beating it anymore.
People don't seem to realize that corporate or legal SE were to get involved it could mean anything from lawsuits and anti-cheat to replacing Yoshi-P (highly unlikely but not off the table)
the fact that it blew up likely drives the severity of the response..
as it is, I think mods that affect visuals for people doing pictures or things that help people with color blindness, motor coordination issues etc are fine… using tools to make content 'easier' is a no go.
There are also many players buying their accounts "ready to savage" with basically bis gear xD
The moment SE add a anti cheat into this game and disable the adds-on. The fashion community going to die a lil bit
honestly there should just be a ban streak of any and every player with third party tools
Why is it the JP community that causes the largest stink about this
The line? Prestige clears should be clean. Everything else doesn’t matter. I guess. Why respect someone if an addon did the work for them, vanity clears stop making any sense at that point.
Also observing your environment is part of the difficulty design in this game. So modifying that pretty much counts as cheating here, even if it wouldn’t elsewhere.
next I wanna see pvp scripters going down, is it too much to dream of?
23:20 this is actually awesome and might do something about cheaters
Asking for HARD content and then using CHEATS to beat it only to call themselves PRO-GAMERS.
Pro my shit. Every one of them. Combat add-ons are cheats and it's idiotic.
If you people need some features, make videos, send posts on forum, send messages and stuff, until SE will add some QoL to the games. But don't use Add-ons and call yourself a hero who sacrifice themselves for others. Those people are Cheaters and there's no way to change it. Don't use third-party tools.
ppl complain about alex xiv, cactbot…..this shit is on another level
How many times are you gonna make this video? We don't need Drama Alert for FFXIV, just make good content.
The past two ultimates have only brought controversy due to plugins and bad pr from it, the fact they haven't said 'Yeah we're dropping these, good job ruining it.' is the surprise.
It makes total perfect sense that all party members lost their title and the weapons too even if they were not directly caught cheating. Because even if they didn't do the cheating themselves, they still benefit from it. Because they weren't directly caught, they didn't receive any punishment like an account suspension or anything. But you have to think about it like this: If someone in the group has cheated, the whole run didn't actually happen. If it didn't happen, no one in the group got the title or the weapons from it.
If they don't treat it like that they indirectly allow the cheating. Or else people could just agree on one party risking their account by cheating for others to benefit of it.
They've created their own monsters and turned the community into a toxic bunch of whiney self righteous report button spammers so it makes the problem look far more big of an issue, than it actually is. Someone got first clear? Who cares… are they in a championship where you actually win something? No. Are the items limited and exclusive for getting first? No. Is there anything that someone 4 years down the road wouldn't be able to get or see? No. This reminds me of people crying about seeing ultimate items, before they get it themselves. Like the self entitlement and narcissism is real and being enabled completely by SE's poor policy measures. Soon you'll be banned simply for standing next to a botter, just like they did in the early days of WoW. Ahahaha.
Corn mazes <3
"on the news" what news? where? on tv? reddit? i smell an untruth from said person (not zep), however it's funny to me that this is drama, seems like a common thing for ff14 lately is to conduct drama and bad vibes about the game/community. sad to see that it continues to get worse over the months.