00:00 Naguura UI React
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I think why ppl don’t like Naguura’s type of ui is because of a few factors.
For one, it’s very utilitarian, which makes sense. You just care about the info, not aesthetics. But it does kind of remove any of the game’s art style and replaces it with just simple basic stuff. Like the health bars just being these plain boxes. And how she removed the border and the little day/night things from the minimap. It’s the ui equivalent of looking at a spreadsheet.
Also, some people might have a bit of ptsd from dealing with all the maintenance and complexity of dealing with WoW addons. So seeing that kind of triggers them.
I think ff players (like me) just immediately associate thicc rectangle party frames <=> wow. So just anti wow bias and the feeling that this modding probably comes with other modding like raid triggers, and non-default ui features (until recently) party debuff timers, raid cooldown indicators, etc.
Its not bad without those associations.
I hope this doesnt go bad 😅
For me personally the first ui's bottom part is covering too much of the center and while you can easily fix that by zooming out the camera far away which is also great in (some) fights, I'd like my center to be as free as possible. I would lower whatever that wide red bar is and the skillbar(s) so that the skillbar(s) top border would be at least on the same level as the healthbars. The only thing I've changed in my UI is the enemy cast bar which is much bigger and is right next to my own cast bar right on top of the topmost skillbar. Helps me see which attacks are interruptable more easily Also… I'm ashamed to say my skillbar keybinds are also too far away for one hand. I usually use my mouse to press them instead. I know that's not ideal. Strangely enough, btw, I once tested out two skillbars been on opposite sides of the screen (left and right) which only had the class icons on them and I realized: Wait this looks a lot like Default WoW UI right now.
You know how people REALLY hate when folks use the wrong font for something? Like using Comic Cans for formal communication? For some people it doesn't matter if the information they need is there and it's in a location that 'makes sense'. But you're still going to have people pulling out there hair going "why would you use THAT".
And I dunno, I don't have to see people's weird mods but I think it is pretty weird to slap some cartoony looking boxes on your screen. I'm somewhat reminded of some images I've seen of people boiling down a game to just its hitboxes, removing the intended textures and other graphical stuff. And simultaneously I'm reminded of the people (mostly wow players) who tend to go on and on about how FF graphics/UI suck, that WoW is 'Stylized!' nevermind how they'd react to someone using an unmodded WoW UI.
So yeah, it's a little exhausting having people demand that you defend why this one thing is good and then having related people just butchering it and going 'why does it matter if it works'. It's not like I have been trained in UI or graphic design but the fact people from every side are constantly throwing shade I think really distracts everyone from the important stuff and it does impact the conversations people have. Especially when many have no interest in being objective or unbiased.
For me it's a matter of giving a misleading representation of what the game looks like.
I know it's a bit of a meme, but for people that don't actively play WoW at a decently high level they see UI's like that and think it looks like a mess. In FFXIV, all of the information you need to know is doled out in a very understandable way so changing it to look as messy as Naguura did to an untrained eye just makes it incredibly unappealing as you're looking at something not native to the game it's from.
I think at the end of the day it all really all boils down to a culture issue. Someone entered the xiv space and committed a cultural faux paw, and the community reacted negatively. It's not good, and you can point out the irrationality of it, but you won't get a cleaner answer than "We don't do that here". Where I sit I find her set up very clean and efficient, but lacking in the flavor xiv naturally brings to the table. It's UI has a certain aesthetic, and it isn't so difficult that you should need to squeeze every ounce of efficiency out of your set up. So to me personally, seeing someone come in, wipe part of the games identity away, in a method a large portion of the community can't(console players) or won't(purists), after disregarding the game's main selling point, it rubs me the wrong way. I don't think she should be given too hard a time for it, but I also don't feel like she's really coming to xiv for xiv, more stepping away from wow for variety.
In comparison someone adding chat bubbles isn't as big an issue since at the end of the day xiv has them just not for players. Someone skipping to see the raids, but meeting xiv on it's own terms isn't an issue, since they can always go back. Someone setting their UI up with a wow mindset isn't an issue because there are tools to allow that. The problem is when you do all of them together, and people have to ask, wouldn't you rather be somewhere else?
I find 6, shift-6, and control-6 are easy enough to hit for my hands
Now 7 to =, on the other hand, I have no excuse for not rebinding them beyond not being sure what to rebind them to X3
(also I have a fourth bar with q shift-q control-q e shift-e control-e r shift-r control-r f shift-f control-f)
It's definitely a subjective thing and just about taste. I don't like it for the same reason I hate my game after stacking addons in WoW: any sense of art style is gone and replaced with a bunch od solid boxes.
I think a lot of people preferred WoW in the first place because they could customize their UI without deleting the art style, so seeing someone come over here and actively remove the art style on purpose probably pissed them off a bit.
she streams this and is still online? oof.
Ive tried many ui mods to make my ui look beautiful. I uninstalled them all because stock is actually the most beautiful ui to me. Naguras is hidious, but thats just my opinion. Solid blocky colours, unfortunate colour choice, weird gradients, sharp rectangles. Its very utilitarian.
A good ui needs form AND function. Its all about A E S T H E T I C S
I go very minimal, and stock UI. It looks beautiful and gives me everything i need to do callouts and lead our my ultimate static. I dont install any addons that adjust my ui to help me raid (only ones i use are iinact and noclippy). And id encourage you psy to do the same when setting urs up. Remove everything you dont need, eg, you dont need a mimimap whilst raiding because waymarkers will orientate you. Have a questing UI instead with the minimap (u can have up to 4 UI's at once and quicly switch vetween them with a macro)
Personally I hate the more default FF UI's, I like the ones where people actually customize it and spread out abilities and make it unique. I have my hotbar split up between numbers/letters on the left and mmo mouse binds on the right. You can also detach the enemy cast bar from its health bar and scale it up, idk how people live with that left default. This game has a lot of terrible options on by default, life changing changes hidden behind menus.
Also magicked barrier is so useful wtf, ban whoever called that useless. Without battle rez and the extra mit from barrier why even pick RDM lmao. Definitely not for dmg.
Can i also just say, the default wow UI is beautiful too.
would love to see him rate my controller hot bar hahahahahah that would be a trip playing on controller is so weird and satisfying at the same time and i cleared dsr with it hahahah
you cant move the enemy dialog box without a mod, and that really really sucks. I used to move it, but am back to stock so im used to it when server patch
1) MMO mouse changes everything about how you set up your UI.
2) all combat skills fit on 3 bars thanks to controller support.
3) you can use the preset UIs and macros to minimize what's on your screen at any point.
So, I'm not playing atm, but I had put the work into making my UI and I used an MMO mouse, there was no stretching my index finger to hit the numbers, they were all accessible with my thumb on my right hand. I had my primary combat bar onscreen, I held down shift to access combat bar two and control for combat bar 3.
On the right edge of my screen I had a bar that held things I didn't need access to immediately, but wanted quick access to, like my mount button.
On the left I had a similar bar, but I had macros set up that would open bars 6-9 with my various quick job change buttons and menu options like my challenge log, so I didn't have to scroll thru menus to check my progress. Thanks to the macros, these were only open when I needed them to be and invisible when I didn't.
I only used 2 of the 3 available presets too. One for Raiding and one for outside the raids. While the raiding one had everything squished around the middle like you would expect, the everyday one had a lot shrunk to it's minimum and pushed to the sides, even stacked or completely turned off.
My UI had a total of 3-4 bars visible at any point, yet I still had access to everything most people do. Honestly, the UIs you were looking at were average compared to what the system is capable of. There are a lot of guides out there to help you set this stuff up. It's not as hard as it sounds, but it removes SOOO much clutter from your screen, that you'll simply have a more enjoyable experience.
Also, i know you are being hyperbolic but definitely not everyone uses them. A significant amount of the userbase is actually playing on PlayStation and they do not use addons. Thats part of the reason they have such a firm stance against them. They dont want pc players having a advantage in gameplay.
Idk how common it is but I have my Shift and Ctrl bound to my mouse, it's kind of like the opposite of using an mmo mouse. So Ctrl 6 for me is just pushing 6 lol.
I'm actually kind of impressed by Naguura's UI – not due to the visuals (I think it looks like someone took a UI from one of those eastern cash grab MMOs lol and slapped it over top of the game, at least to me) but because it almost doesn't add anything new that isn't already visible via the default UI. With such a significant overhaul to the visuals, you'd kind of expect additional information the game doesn't display to be more of a thing…and so far the only thing I can see is that it shows the actual enemy health number (which is a fairly common addon even among those that make next to no changes to the UI) and technically the damage overlay, but that's an incredibly common thing to the point where it's unremarkable. Everything else visible pretty much is something you can see in the default UI, and she even removed some information, such as the health amount of her party members.
That being said, I think another part of the negative reaction (beyond aesthetic preference) from the XIV side of thing is coming from the long running practice of treating addons as kind of a "thing you do but you're not really drawing attention to it lest Yoshi-P and team decide to be more heavy handed."
That UI is essentially the exact opposite of that.
Yeah I'm sorry man but the WoW addon UI's are pretty hideous to look at and in XIV they look so much worse. I understand wanting to have all the information so visible you can't miss it, but it's like you've got microsoft paint pulled up and are just making colored boxes. It's so far into utilitarian that its hard to look at. It has absolutely nothing to do with the style of the game. I say this as a XIV and WoW player.
Those ugly wow style UIs will also not function on patch day. There is mods downtime during patch day and sometimes lasts for several days.
The ff andys will always just say ew WoW bad, logic doesnt matter. Even if its ugly why does it matter? The ui is used to track data and if thats how she likes it then that is great. We all just want to play the game, kill the baddies and have fun, if something isnt breaking game mechanics and makes it easier for you to transition then i think its great. Primarily a FF player just bought war within and got my free 70 boost in DF last week and havent gotten the hang of wow yet to really do content but the ui certainly hast striken me as bad(but i did get curseforge incase i want to change things)
Problem with FF14 you can use the mods but just don't speak or show them and if do use them keep them in closed community discord, streaming with them can give you problems as its PR thing for SE.
It only took 20 years for wow to allow you to customize UI. They were fine giving their players shit until FF14 started rising in popularity and they're like, uh oh, ok, maybe we should actually make quality of life improvements.
The issue was two things.
1) You dont talk about fight club
2) using a add-on to tell you what buttons to press means zero skill. She may be in a e-sports group on WoW but its kind of clear she didnt know her XIV job or class…was just told by Max to play the class and use x plugin to signal what buttons to press. No different than people using script macros to maintain their numbers on logs.
Naguuras UI is hideous. The game already displays your HP over your head and in a FAR smaller HP bar than that. It's actually obscuring more of the screen and aesthetically does not fit the game at all. Additionally having the huge block of abilities obscuring a significant part of the screen is definitely a thing I've seen alot from wow players and cotaines a bunch of unnecessary information. Tracking abilities like surecast is utterly unnecessary in this game, because there are no situations you will be spamming it on CD. You will either use it for a specific mechanic that will occur in longer windows than the CD… or you won't use it at all. Key items are also hidden by this UI, which she doesn't understand because she's never played the game with the base UI. While it shows a bunch of stuff, it literally obscures more of the screen than the base UI.
I can't handle the colored excel spreadsheet healthbars, they look atrocious. But then again I use simplified job gauges 😅
Thanks for featuring the old static mate's UI in the thumbnail, sad there wasn't more of the UI review included in the video but it was still fun to look at all of them! People really came out of the woodwork to share them. I think at the end of the day regardless if your UI is like WoW's or FFXIV's or an abomination twisted by the power of addons, it comes down to what is most comfortable for the player to use. No one sees your UI but you unless you're a streamer and well if you open yourself up to that, gotta be ready to take criticism from people who aren't playing anyways! 👍
Not a single controllers gamer. I am disappointed.
The wow thing where you turn your party members into rectangles is a turn-off for me personally. It's a perfectly fine UI, but I'm not used to it and therefor I don't like it.
I haven't seen anything from Naguura before, but that Layout is impossbile to play without add ons that show her the rotation. Her Job Gauge is not on the screen, she has no indicator when she can go into her melee rotatio, also I am sorry but that UI is just so much clunkier and less readable than any ff UI I have seen before
I press ctrl with my palm so can reach 6 quite easily
Psybear, there's nothing wrong with using UI and QoL addons….. for regular people. But for streamers, it's different. It can get you banned because people can report you for it. People can't prove regular people are using addons unless they show it. So even I remove the addons whenever I take a screenshot or record a video.