JoCat and I had recorded this shortly before his decision to depart from content creation for a while. I was not aware of this until it happened, and asked if he was still ok with me uploading this. With his blessing, I’m posting this fun little banter he and I had to continue honoring the talent and humor he has brought to the internet.
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There is one disagreement I would have with this list and it is going to bat for Tataru. While it was when she was paired with the WoL, she is actually involved in a combat victory in story and thats against Soroban during the Four Lords side story. And that was a fight that well winded your WoL at the time.
I would vote for Alisae. Alphi couldn't bear to fight against Alisae…
Last but not least love for JoCat. I hope he is able to get the time he needs to heal from the internet's vile behavior.
If you run dungeons with Alphinaud, your confidence in his healing abilities massively decreases.
You forgot that the Exarch also was more powerful for being rejoined one more time than anyone.
Alphi could take Alisaie any day of the week and take her through a loop before she ends up flat on the floor.
"the story doesn't tell us how powerful papalemo is" as a player who told him "i'm not leaving you!" papalemon knocks the WoL out and into the air ship, i don't remember any character being able to do that, not even Zenoes.
this was such a fun video, i'm sick and needed something to listen to while trying to sleep.
I haven't finished the list (still watching!) so i dont know if its brought up later but why didnt minfilias oracle powers get discussed? Am i mistaken to think that her ability to halt the flood of light from Eden could even make her High A or low S tier?
Havent seen it myself but I have heard that Urianger will cast death in trusts so he does have some good offense for people on his level or below it.
Anyways, we are going to miss you Jocat.
Alisae would win, hands down. If for no reason other than Alphie having a soft spot for his sister lol
JoCat ;-;
There needs to be more 14 videos like this on YouTube the story is so good and there’s barely any 1 making videos about it you’re the only YouTube channel I know that does 14 content like this so I thank you !!! 🙏
Im glad you two were able to collab together
We <3 you JoCat!
Hold the fuck up! People in the comments talking about Jocat drama and I had to look it up cause I had no idea and now that I know I’m so mad that people bullied him off YT like that. And the I like girls video is fantastic.
Anyone so offended by it that they bullied this guy off YT can just fuck off.
God I’m actually mad I’m not getting more Jocat content because of these bullies
Now I wonder where Tataru would place if she discovered the machinist guild in Ishgard
justice for our boi
let him vibe and do his wholesome thing in peace :>
and for the people being evil "i just wanna talk to them" 🗿
In defense of Tataru, she should be S tier, without her we would have been put into MAJOR debt and she basically helped our foundation in majorly tough times. Came in clutch in other wise hopeless situations. Remains uncontested against any other competitors. And her crafting skills are beyond normal methods.
Oh this is the collab I didn’t know I needed. Thank you so much for this! JoCat, im sorry people suck and wishing you all the best ❤️
Edit: Oh! And happy Holidays Scribe 🫂
It's always great seeing Jo and you collab on stuff! It was a great time listening to your Scion power tier list!
So firstly, you do Princess Peach a great disservice, Scribe! When she's given the chance, Princess Peach can handle herself perfectly well and has evidence for it with some of the games–a match to Mario. Secondly, my money's on Alisaie because to comment on Jo claiming Alphinaud took on some crystal braves as a healer and won–if it's that scene with Yuyuhase–Marshal Pipin saves his butt off screen and meets up with the WoL later. Alphinaud is a tactician yes, but his reaction time needs work and Alisaie can at least overwhelm him if she strikes fast. Though I'm also completely willing to settle on the possibility of a stalemate between them if Alisaie tires herself out trying to get around Alphinaud's defenses and he tires out turtling against her onslaught.
You're both amazing, Scribe and Jo!
Alphie would win if he doesn't hold back on Allie. Being the oldest, he has to take care of his sister, even if she fights dirty. So in conclusion, Allie wins 😅
Also jocat get well soon!
I think Louisoix is above estinien and graha and perhaps on par with exarch
Estinien is strong but is feat exploding a few cannons and fighting an Ultima by himself isn’t comparable to stopping a world ending calamity causing threat like Bahamut and using the power of Phoenix
34:00 – I'd guess they'd tie up. Alphie is more tactical, Alisaie is a better fighter. Both can heal themselves, but Alphie would have obvious advantage on that part. But thing is… They know each other too well. They'd predict the other's move before they act.
Without preparation and the fight being a spur of the moment, alisae wins, if they know they are gonna friendly spar alphinaud wins, thats my take on them
I never thought my favorite JoJo would be a cat.
I actually think Estinien and Tataru/Krile are in a Stratego boardgame situation where the lowest rank Spy directly beats the highest rank General.
I also think the twins are an exact draw and that's just right
I think you overlooked Minfilia's tenure as the Word of the Mother and Oracle of Light. Being made an avatar of Hydaelyn bumped her magic power up considerably. And it was her controlling every future Minfilia as the front-line warrior of Elumore's campaign against the sin eaters until Ryne.
My vote goes to Alisiae beating Alphinaud, because she'll spot the opening he inevitably leaves as their fight stretches out, and likely call it a fluke that she won ever after. I love the list, and the discussion. I hope you are both well, and my deepest sadness that JoCat has been enduring such despicable harrassment. I hope you both have a very relaxing and fulfilling festive season, and that your interests and passions continue to bring you joy.
Alisae beats Alphinaud in a fight all day. While Alphi is well established as the smarter twin, his thesis at the studium and his role within the Scions show his focus and main strengths are in diplomacy, leadership and building relationships. While G'raha is the best historian, Y'shtola the best aetherologist and Urianger the most knowledgable about whatever else, Alphinaud is the one that understands people and nations, who can find the common ground between disparate parties and bring them together to work on a common goal. Sure, he's very competent in a fight, but his true calling is finding ways not to fight. Alisae on the other hand wrote her thesis on Combat Applications of Aether, her role in the Scions is very much as a front line fighter, she's well established as a better athlete than Alphinaud and an intellectual prodigy in her own right. She basically acts as his body guard, and I'm certain that Alphinaud would agree, that she's both more practiced in as well as being more naturally gifted at violence.
I’m curious to see if Krile gets a buff to her power level in Dawntrail as expectation is she’ll be rocking our new Caster. Also Alisaie would absolutely bully the snot out of Alphi in a fight. Don’t get me wrong Alphi is smart and calm but I feel he’s still a bit too soft and “Diplomatic” and in his hesitation. Alisaie would absolutely thrash him. Also can’t wait for Dawntrail to confirm this list when the scions are split. Lastly, I’m glad two of the best FFXIV boys got in potentially one last collab. What Jo is going through is absolutely awful, and I hope at some point maybe things subside where he feels comfortable returning. I mean most of my knowledge when I started FFXIV was from his “crap” guides. Either way I wish Jo all the best on his future adventures no matter what form they take.
"Mass Feather Fall" is not required. The spell on 5e is already an AoE up to 5 targets. And it's a lvl1 spell.
Now G'raha is much stronger than that but frankly that is not an impressive feat at all.
Even Tataru's most prescient business savvy is no match for Aphinaud, let alone Estinien
Assuming Alisae and Alphinaud are similarly capable in the magic department. Alisae would just beat up Alphinaud with her fists if all the magic dries out. Assuming both would not pass out of course.
Possible counterpoint suggesting Urianger should be A Tier: He is the Scion dispatched to accompany Thancred on multiple dangerous missions. He's essentially Thancred's go-to support, suggesting a level of competence at spellcraft that should put him at least in the same Tier as Y'shtola.
Calling Minfilia the Princess Peach of FF14 is honestly insulting…to Princess Peach who actually knows how to fight and has done so not only in competitive fighting games like Smash Bros but even her own standalone games. If you see the ending to most Mario games where she’s been kidnapped it’s pretty clear that she LET herself be kidnapped likely out of boredom or other reasons but she’s perfectly able to fight on her own.
On the question of Alphenaud vs Alisae, it depends what version of Alphenaud you’re talking about, Academician or Sage. Though they’re not the same, I’m gonna equate Academician to Scholar for the sake of simplicity, since the only reason he’s not one is that only the Warrior or Light can be a scholar now.
Basically what we’re looking at is a Red Mage vs a Scholar/Sage. Since both are the same age and are extremely skilled in their professions, it kinda boils down to a job comparison.
Looking at the lore for these, there’s not much I can really say about Sage, since I don’t know the job very well. Scholar however, actually wins against Red Mage. In both game and lore, Red Mage has less outright power than Black Mage. During the war of the Magi, the Scholars of Nym held back the Black Mages of Mahk until they spread plague. No way a Red Mage can overcome a Scholar when even the Black Mages couldn’t.
If we’re looking at Sage Alphenaud, I can’t tell which twin wins. But if it’s Scholar Alphenaud he wins hands down.
yoooo its Jo, nice
I'm undecided on the twins as well, honestly I feel like it would go to whoever was most annoyed at their sibling at the time. Also all the love to JoCat you did nothing to deserve the hate and vitriol that's being sent at you from people who have nothing better todo than make others miserable
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From here on out, you and I- two complete strangers- are besties ;^)
I think Lifestream Yshtola would have been rescued by Hydaelyn in some other manner.
I hadnt heard about any crap JoCat got, but he is a very creative person and it would be sad to know his creativity isnt put to use for others to see. Whatever he decides to do after this break, I hope he is healthy, well, and shoves a great middle finger in the face of all that decide to be so rude.
Scribe, keep up the great work and great collaborations. I love your work and its great to listen to while im working during the day.
One thing with our sweet lad Urianger that's interested me was his DPS job in Mothercrystal was called Lithomancer, which is super evocative of Geomancer. I wonder if he borrowed some Hingan tech like how the WoL is implied to in the AST quests, but maybe focused more on offensive applications or something I have no idea.
The only person in the S TEIR should be the WOL.
The only reason Allisae would beat Alphinaud is because that's his sister so he would hold back while she wouldn't hold back at all. Otherwise Alphinaud wins.
Alisae bodies Alphinaud without prep time. Alphinaud wins if he's allowed to strategize.
For the most part I agree with this list. (Moenbryda would have been B tier for me) But I'm more curious to know how these characters would rank after Dawntrail? Perhaps you and JoCat can do a follow up following the events of 7.0? I'm willing to bet my $40 million Gil that Krile's role in 7.0 will have her move up to B, maybe even A tier! She's going to have a major role in the next expansion, going to be the new magic DPS job, she's going to do something amazing that will have her move up this list!
Also, Alisaie would CRUSH Alphinaud (Sorry JoCat, but instead of the Wolves Den, perhaps a friendly game of triple triad at the Gold Saucer, or enjoying beverages at Your favorite Eorzean Pub would be preferred.)