Novel Relic Content like what we had with Bozja in Shadowbringers or Eureka in Stormblood is OFFICIALLY gone from Final Fantasy XIV. Now while some people are rejoicing I’m actually a player of this game and I think this is extremely saddening.
In an ideal world where I could control what content was for what for relics I’d opt for custom content with alternative paths for those who want to grind it outside of the custom content like what we saw over and over again for Bozja in Shadowbringers.
To simply go back to the repetitive old spamming of content with blue mage is that really what people want? You’d prefer spamming old content you’ve done a million times before over brand new custom content? I am not convinced people wanting this actually play the game. I for one do NOT look forward to running Aetherochemical Research Facility hundreds of times on blue mage. I do not!
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0:00 Novel Relic Content is GONE in Final Fantasy XIV
0:25 Event Rewards
9:50 Blue Mage is going to be king
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Trying something new here! Video Premieres! Figured I'd try it out, some people seemed interested in it so here goes! IN TERMS OF RELICS FOR ENDWALKER? Yeah I'm concerned. I think this is a HUGE mistake. We already have the old content, we've already done it so many times. I am NOT a fan of doing more OLD content rather than getting a big beautiful new world with custom skills, actions, dungeons and more to work on. I HIGHLY doubt anyone who actually plans to do the relics when asked candidly would be like "yeah I am excited to grind the same old dungeon for 200 runs in a row on blue mage". Yeah I press X to doubt.
I don't think this is one of those walking away from an idea situations more so they don't have the manpower to deal with the new types content they are making, the deep dungeon and the additional prep work for 7.0 and something had to be cut Exploratory Zones being resource intensive in pretty much all areas would fit the bill.
I think it's one of those situations where it will take a long time to tell if they made the right decision who knows perhaps as long as 7.2.
I know there are several camps on this. People that did the Bozja and Eureka grind because they loved it, people that did it because they had to, and people that hated both experiences enough to consider not doing it again. I'm in the latter category. As a person that came along after both were no longer current content I have been unable to progress beyond the first relic stage in Bozja (DR being required when tyou can't muster more than 8 people is unacceptable, the zone doesn't have the population for this to be a thing) and I just didn't have any urge or inclination to start another mindless grind in Eureka just for a single glam.
That said, I have encountered far more people who liked these systems than hated them so I can't say it's a good thing for the majority that they're going away. If the larger body of the player base wants this type of experience, they probably should have stuck with it.
The exploration zones has a big community of people who like to do them and the 48 person raids BA and DRS with mounts for a reward of killing them such fun content and the community for them that help them stay active is nice some people hate to grind old content for there relic weapon it is kinda sad to see this content go away I personally do not like the outside way of the relics but i know people who do i feel like they are making it go back to how it used to be why could it not be like SHB where it was a bit inside and where i mean a bit get to rank 10 in bozja and do DRN and then you could go back outside and do it SB relic was a test people did not like it that much because they did not want to grind it out and they came with bozja where they appealed to there whole audience with it people who loved the fate/dungeon relic steps they were happy and people who loved the inside steps were happy it is sad the 48 person raids leave us BA and DRS are so fun and I was hoping for more but lets hope we get another one
BUT YAYYYYYYY DUNGEON SPAMMING F U N
By the way, another very good way to farm poetics is doing Hunts. You can cap several times per day if you do it. 1 S rank gives 100 poetics alone (plus other goodies), and takes what, 5 minutes?
You cant unsync eureka or bozja so thank god for this honestly.
No I totally wanna wait for a half eternity in pf waiting on MAYBE 8 players to do DR in a reasonable time to get 1 relic mat.
I'll take a boring hw/arr weapon type grind any day because I can unsync that shit and do it myself.
If you wanna do a DPS relic synced you're insane dps queues suck enough dont make me do synced content for my new sparkly shine weapon
I wouldn’t mind a HW style relic grind. I actually enjoy doing the HW relics tbh. I can fo it passively. I hate Eureka and Bozja do I’m so happy that I won’t have to do something like this for the relics this time around
It really sucks, the old relic system felt damn dated.
The combination of unforgiving (practically) instant death mechanics and loss of progression is not fun and the biggest reason I don't care for Bozja. Haven't finished Eureka yet but honestly doesn't feel as punishing tbh.
i did the original relic pre nerf , atma took me give or take 140 150 hours? but tbf i hated bozja
After eureka and bozja being basicly the same, it's time for something different. If not, I won't be doing it.
When they said quest-centric relic, referencing ARR and HW, I took it as a reference to the method of advancing the relic, not necessarily the level of grind as well. It’s all just a numbers game, they can tone down the grind by reducing the amount of repetition necessary to progress each step. I predict the time investment required will be similar to shadowbringers. Is it going to be as engaging? That depends if you liked eureka/bozja or not.
I'm happy to see the Bozja and Eureka type relic grind gone because if you're late to the party makes doing the steps a pain since everyone has moved on. I do enjoy Bozja for leveling though 🙂
A) I didnt level all my alt jobs in Bozja and I still got them leveled up fast – all of them way before Zadnor got released (I started playing in 5.2, just as reference).
B) Never bothered with Blue Mage and still got all 17 ShB relics before the droprate got nerved.
TL:DR No, that content is not dead and just as Eureka, there will be those going after the relic regardless.
As for the new relics, my stance is: wait and see. Unlike WoW, who spoiles every single step of everything, we dont know anything about how to get the new relics. We only know its related to Godbert Manderville and that we have to finish the Hildibrand quests. Big deal. Yeah, those quests arent for everyone, but clicking through is a matter of a few hours. Do it between dungeon queues or somewhat. I think, people who dont do this type of content also dont bother with relic weapons anyway. Plus, it is solo content so you can easy schedule it a couple quests per day – we still have some weeks till the patch hit.
Still just waiting on 7 reasons to play GNB
I think the new dungeon system will be loosely tied into the relic system to ensure people run it a lot
I'm with you on this one. Eureka had its detractors, but was pretty epic. Bozja wasn't PERFECT (I was never a fan of the duels and stuff since I felt the positive about Eureka was encouraging teamwork, but the duels explicitly denied it, as did no prepping for NM spanws and so on), but was largely a move in the right direction by letting people double dip for leveling AND having most steps farmable outside of Bozja for people who didn't like Bozja (even if the out of Bozja drop rates were likely too high and the in-Bozja drop rates too low). The main issue to me was futureproofing because of how much is gated behind CLL, DR, and Dal. But a little tweaking to make Bozja a BIT more like Eureka while keeping the option to farm mats outside so that everyone wins.
…but people insisting Bozja and Eureka were bad are just doing so because they don't like exploration content. AT LEVEL, ARR and HW grinds were far far FAR worse. You only touch on some of the steps. Anyone remember the Surprise! FATE in the book step? How you had to be there when it starts because of how quickly the NPCs will die and how it's murder if you aren't a tank (to take agro) or a healer (to keep them and yourself alive)? The one just north of Bronze Lake? Or how many FATEs are rare spawns and, back when Zodiacs were current, some had literally multi-day spawn timers, meaning you could be camping one for DAYS to get the clear? How you needed to clear those dungeons and the high end level cap open world Beast Tribe dungeon areas when the mobs were the same level as you and you didn't have the vast array of oGCDs and extra damage/healing we have today?
ANYONE saying Bozja is bad either didn't clear any of the ARR/HW ones, didn't do them at level, had an optic surgery to replace their eyes with rose tented ones, or are lying.
I get some people thought Bozja was "ugly", but compared to LITERALLY any other Relic, it was the easiest to do at level. Hell, the Bozja weapons are honestly not much harder to do than HW Relics EVEN NOW. The only real hard part is the DR grind since it's so hard to get a group for that these days and the alternative is grinding POTD for those Timework Relics.
In every way that counts, Bozja was both easier than any other AND let you level alts and make money on the side.
There is a SMALL part of me, though, that wants them to make these like a combination of ARR and FFXI Relic grinds.
Make them SO painful that the next time they release a Eureka/Bozja, everyone who bitched at those will be cheering for the opportunity to do that instead.
SMALL part, mind you…but it's there. 🙂 I'm not often vindictive, but as much as people complained about Bozja, I kinda would like to see this grind be a "put hair on your chest" ACTUAL hard and ACTUALLY intensive grind so that people will see what "back in my day" grinds were like and thank their lucky stars for the next Bozja. 🙂
This is blown WAY out or proportion. they never once said that they werent doing eureka/bosja type content anymore. they simply said theyre TRYING something new. maybe we will be running varriant/criterion dungeons for it. nobody knows.this community LOVES to make something out of nothing.
Great quality video editing and audio wise as always though. I just heavilu disagree and think youre massively overreacting
Pre buffed atma drop rate grind I got….
Deep breath….
Just. One. Single. Atma. The atma of the crab. That was it. Then I spent six hours a day for the next 180 days farming fates for atma. That's six. Months.
I gave up. I watched other people in my fate groups getting 2 and 3 atma per area trying to un curse my RNG.
Then while my mother was working on her 3rd zeta weapon and her boyfriend was working on his 6th, they finally made the drop rate achievable (for some of us).
I then grinded 6 hours a day for 40 days to get the rest of the atmas. By this point we already had the Lux step and most of my FC were pretty disparaging to me for even bothering to get my scholar zeta.
And then they go and release the Silvergrace and Nightsteel craftable ilvl 350 weapons……I walked around for less than 5 minutes with my brand new scholar zeta only to be laughed at by a rando who bought the silvergrace codex for 40K Gil from the market board right beside me. Dyed it metallic gold and called it a day.
So. You wanna know if I'm gonna do any relic quests at all?
Never. Again.
Eh, Bozja and Eureka were alright, I didn’t find it entirely enjoyable, personally. I always felt behind and it felt as though I had to level up the same “job” twice in order to progress through the content.
As far as ARR and HW relic grinds, ARR was by far the worst (those damn books, lol). However, I will take item/resource grinding over Bozja/Eureka any day.
Yes, it will feel repetitive (and probably rather quickly), but its more of a casual method. You can run the dungeon/content a few times a day, maybe finish up the step in a few days, depending on how much is required. But regardless, you do a few runs, then take a break, do something else, maybe come back and pick back up.
Hate to say but I see it the way of many others comments in this video thread; the title here is a little misleading at best, because that is NOT the language they used in terms of relic farming. It's very open to interpretation and this is one interpretation of it. But folks are going to see this as a headline when it's not, and this level of worry may be a bit overdone for that the translations are showing.
eureka and bozja are horrible
If squenix could balance a more quest based system inside a Bozja-like zone, then that would be cool.
I certainly can't say i enjoyed Bozja a lot, but then i was also doing 12 hour grind sessions every day there to get my relic, but there was something there that meant i didn't want to drop it
On content Shadowbringers might have been good. But trying to get a relic now for a job that you maybe start to fell in love with in EW is just disgusting. Been literally stuck for weeks at the artifact step because waiting 40min or far more for a DR run or running PotD for 2 hours without any drop is just demotivating.
But truth to behold…if they wouldn't have nerfed the requirements for the HW steps..this would have been a much greater pain in the buttom >_<
Eureka and Bozja grind is only good when it's in the beginning since there's a population for that at that point but afterwards, it just dies or slog down that very grind to painful crawl if you decided to do those grinds after.
I would've like Eureka and Bozja more if we didn't have our exp/rep being drained everytime you die and finding a party in that content is just outright taxing since after one critical engagement, most people would've leave the party + needing to also farm arbitrary stuff like lost spells just to have a much better experience. These sort of content is only fun when people are still new to it and you having a big group for it.
ARR and HW relic grind is definitely boring but at least you can pace yourself to do so vs Eureka and Bozja.
I love Blue Mage SO much. Knowing that it gets so much attention makes me happy, and I would love to see more Blue Mage in the future. That being said, I whole-heartedly agree. Eureka and Bohja were SO fun and easily made the relic experience much more fun for me, as well. I even gave up part way through my Heavensward relic. Maybe I'll go back to it, but it'll be a little at a time. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to starting my second relic in Eureka as I type this. It's really nice to have someone describe how different the grind was before I started playing in Shadowbringers and seeing that it has improved, regardless of how much of a grind it is.
Or don't spend hours repeatedly doing the same things to grind poetics and just slowly gather them from playing the game.
really sad, i loved bozja. Poetic farms sounds horrible.
I doubt they will walk back to the old system they probably do something else.
Legacy players always tell me about that atma grind cuz im always complaining about grinding zodiac relics lol
Oh come one, poetics is really easy to grind, you just spam pvp frontline a lot, plus you get atleast a mount from pvp….and grinding it is amazing. put on netflix or youtube on your 2nd monitor, go in and play some pvp and chill, its done easily. by far HW was the easiest to grind. In shb, you had to pay attention in DR to get the rewards. An easy relic is one you can easily spam and repeat and mindlesly grind without paying attention to it. Thasts what a relic is suposed to be.
Bozja wasn't worse but it sure as shit wasn't fun either, imo. I actually enjoyed Eureka WHILE working on my relic, something I can't say about building relics in any of the other expansions so far. That being said, I've completed multiple HW relics but couldn't stand to go through DR enough for more than one in ShB. Give me another Eureka experience with less emphasis on logograms/fragments(at least until the late game) and I'll be happy.
I'd say wait and see, So many ppl including myself hated Eureka and Bozja; its boring fate farming over and over again and seemingly endless, HW and ARR provided variety of content across the board. Yeah, HW relic requires LOTS of poetics but if you did your dailies, fate farmed regions for shared fates, had Eureka already done (so technically you could farm poetics while doing Eureka so two relics in one go) you'd max out on poetics for your HW relics in no time. Not only that but you could complete a HW relic in a few days now. So i dont actually understand why ppl are having a hard time with this. We dont know what's going to be required yet, ton of poetics? Maybe or something similar but again we. dont. know. All we know is a large part of the player based we're livid with Eureka and Bozja which prompted the move away from that. Dont be concerned right now, like some others in the comments just wait and see.
I'm so glad they got rid of the exploration zone content for this expansion because most people HATED them for the last two expansion.
It turns into literally just grinding FATEs and then grinding open world mobs just to spawn even *more FATEs*, so I'm not exactly certain why people seem to have such a weird intrinsic desire to continue to do that when its basically, inevitably, the same kind of thing that you have to do with other relics just squashed into a single zone with only ONE path of progression. And while Bozja shook the format up a little by having things like Castum, Delubrum, and Dalriada – it was still a frustrating series of events to even bother with getting the weapons done.
And don't even get me started on Eureka. I'm a huge fan of FFXI-style open world Dynamis style content. I actually initially loved Eureka when Anemos came out, and then we hit Pagos and the exploration side of things and getting to a bunch of the major NMs became such a tedious pain in the ass that I just gave up on my Eureka relic weapon until they nerfed Pagos into the ground about a month before Pyros came out. Not to mention I never even finished my Bozja relic because I just didn't care enough to bother, I was so bored with it by the end.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying the exploration zone style Relic content, of course. But I have zero issue with the way the ARR and HW Relics were handled, I completed both of them back during the time they were current (hell I have I think all but two of the Anima Weapons at this point) — the only thing that needs fixing is not making things have completely random drop chances, or at least if they do – the drop rate needs to be decently high. No more 1%-3% Atma farming.
Not to mention, the reason they stepped away from Zone Based Exploration for Relics is because they reallocated those resources to give us Island Sanctuary. I'd rather the resources go to something relaxing and fun and completely new and different than just making another very plain looking zone like Bozja was.
Honestly I prefer it this way tbh lol, in the end we want it for glamour , ofc it would be BiS this expac but again in the long run it won't matter. Its not like they aren't gonna do Bozja/Eureka style stuff again, it's just for this expansion. I'd prefer this kinda grind than the others
You are making a lot of assumptions about people in this, what a horrible first impression
I was not a fan of eureka myself, bozja was not fun either, but I liked the option to do the grind outside of it. I did the minimum of bozja to get the relic. I did at least 1 weapons from each tier from ARR, out of all of them Eureka was my least liked. HW I liked alot, but I didn't try to push them out fast, I just chipped away at pace that didn't burn me out. Lots of MSQ roulettes lol. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have bozja style content but it's also not bad to try new things. It's hard to balance content for everyone to completely happy.
to cater to all types of people.
hmm, all im thinking is "pick your poison", in my case?, well, hated ARR with a bloody passion, i could imagine og HW relic grind wouldn't be a favorite of mine either, havn't really done eureka so, and bozja/zadnor, didn't like it, so all im thinking is, "gee, i wonder what level of hell i'll have to go through with this relic", but if i had to pick, i'd say i'd rather have another bozja/zadnor, rather than those fucking books
I am glad we're going back to the old ways. Eureka and Bozja were just boring and tedius. I didnt mind ARF or sand grinding because I was always doing content but god Eureka and Bozja burned me out and burned me (because I was expecting to do relics outside of Bozja not be stuck confined there….because content…)