Recently Yoshi-P made an update post regarding the Final Fantasy 14 TOS (Terms of Service) on the official FFXIV website and also the Final Fantasy team has started banning people in game for Youtube videos that show third-party tools (such as ACT). Some of the World First clears of Dragonsong Ultimate got taken down and the players banned in game. This is ridiculous!
Official post by Yoshi-P – Regarding Third-party Tools: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547
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Xenos is venting. Understandable.
He knows his account is in danger of being banned permanently.
He was already banned once.
na na na na na na na na STFU-MAN! The hero we deserve.
Ok what is our next tame 😀 ?
This game relies so much on people’s good faith. People just don’t have that. And this statement feels as disconnected as some of the recent comments they’ve made.
Just set your recording/streaming software to not show the ACT overlay on stream and you're good.
Don't ask, show or tell about addons, is pretty simple right?
Yeah I'm sorry but I'm with the dev team and Yoshi on this one.
They have repeatedly said that addons are against the TOS, but they are willing to look the other way if we don't use them for ADVANTAGE and/or advertising them on yt/twitch. People couldn't keep themselves contained, and now the new Ultimate world first was done with an addon that actually provides ADVANTAGE for the users.
They have literally no choice but to punish people for this, and it's completely justified.
The only problem i got with mods is simple!Do you guys know about the World of Warcraft addon Deadly boss mods?Thats why i fucking quit the game and i simply hope there is no shit like this online for FF
There are no second chances on the internet, basically always.
Hypocrites everywhere.
It's been said many times, but if SE ever made the list of the addons which get you banned, that would automatically endorse everything else, and that would complicate their situation tenfold. It's impossible to draw the line, people will always push it. Look at where WoW is today – it didn't get there overnight. It's a slow process of people pushing boundaries of acceptable addons, and as the result, WoW endgame is a dumpster fire for casuals.
I do agree that ban was bad. It's clearly caused by mass reporting, otherwise SE would have had to ban pretty much all streamers. They should have released a PSA, saying they will start banning people, let's say, in a day after the announcement. The RWF was concluded anyways, there's no rush to ban people.
This is nothing new. Their game, their rules. My concern is that cheaters and exploiters will point to the handful of false-positives and use it as an excuse for SE to not enforce their policies.
How about you just,you know, don't stream with mods and addons 😛 TOS hasn't changed or their stance. You're just not in the circles where you see this stuff happening all the time. I have seen ppl get banned just using cosmetic mods. It has nothing to do with being toxic or anything. They will suspend/ban you from the game if you openly use mods and addons. This is the reason when I do stream I always cut stuff off before going live bc if someone sees my viera tail or my Viera having a haircut thats not supported in game for the race, they will report me for using mods/addons. Just because you have never seen it happen doesn't mean they just suddenly change their stance on this shit. As I said you streamers need to be smarter and not openly show off your addons and shit bc someone will report you and the GM will take action on you.
FFXI players: First time?
I read a rumor on 4chin that the mass reporting is coming from the JP 5ch community. Supposedly one of the world first clear vods having a cd tracker was seen as cheating and set them off so bad they decided to mass report any stream or clear vod they find that has any 3rd party plugin/overlay usage. Definitely a good idea to not keep any DSR stream or video with ACT still visible.
lol they put the babylon's fall style in the new weapon lol
"Content" also doesn't only mean raiding content. Crafting is content. When I looked up a crafting macro I used a third party tool to help me more easily clear content. Guess I'm gonna get banned!
Getting banned
well there goes Ultimate reward 😀
Why is it so hard to just play the game the way it is meant to be played?
If you don't have a way to track damage in any form you never know if you messed up. Especially for savage and ultimate it matters to figure out if you do half of the dmg you should do
its not only the fact that some streamer use x or y addons(even only act or UI),
its the fact that they promote it to the chat that watch them live
for some reasons this part seems to go over so much peoples head
that and some people being hypocrite about it
"NEW TOS IS RIDICULOUS!" It's literally the exact same TOS. They just have to enforce it now because you pricks decided to take it for granted lmao.
I just think you guys have been too cocky about showing it everywhere. Some programs started with subtle changes then new programs was made to enhance every aspect. You had a chance to keep it to a minimum and be subtle about it. So personally i think this is fine. I have been frustrated over healers being more concerned about dps than a clear – this is ACT, which I feel like is fine, but they HAVE to draw a line somewhere so people understand. And I feel like we atleast have to appreciate that they will try to inplement things in the general game to do some of the stuff that is missing, i urge all of you streamers to communicate (without being malicious or disrespectful) the changes YOU would like to see, but keep it civil.
They looked the other way until streamers started having dps meters on screen, and the new pvp cheaters, and the callouts, why post that on Youtube? They gave you every chance to use it but DONT show it, that way they can allow it without denouncing or endorsing, which means stating inside company policy. I feel like people got too cocky and ruined it for themselves.
Lul come play wow
youre mad, and youre too ignorant to see their perspective.
To everyone that’s upset about these tool changes, what do you all think about PlayStation client users who can’t use these tools like a PC client user? Doesn’t this just makes thing even?
ACT won't make your damage better, don't use it lol
Act wont bother me, only bother me are pvp hackers
serves ya right, cheatin’ lass! bah!!!
There might be something more than triggers that Neverland used during the clear. When looking into their first clear on FFlogs, the DRK did a triple weaving (shadow wall+oblation+dark mind) between two GCDs and it only took 2.5 secs between the two GCDs. This happened at the time 04:33.781. Another instance happened at 10:16, which only took 2.46 secs.
When someone used xivanalysis to look at their clear, more similar instances were found. Their AST , SCH and DNC were also found triple weaving using only 2.5 secs during the fight.
Those four players also did not release any recordings of their pov after their clear.
Some posts from NGA forum suspects they were using tools to reduce animation time to help triple weaving without clipping. This could be the real reason Yoshi P changed his mind on third-party tools and why the video was taken off. Please investigate this. Maybe asking them to teach you how to do the triple weaving would do.
Guess we have to ban paper as well then.
Had to be done and I’m glad this is how it’s going down. If they didn’t do something, they’d end up like blizzard, being forced to design encounters around addons in WoW. Even Ian hazzikostas said in an interview that they let it run rampant and now they have a problem they can’t fix and have to design encounters around addons which in turn makes them a requirement to do the content.
I'm so confused. There's an implication here that Square-Enix hasn't banned streamers for showing their mods on stream in the past, and that just isn't true. The whole don't show, don't tell about UI mods has been around forever, has been known forever, and has indeed been enforced and people have been banned.
Just because some idiots decided to show their mods on their streams during the biggest viewed event in the history of streaming FF14 get banned , doesn't mean this is new or has never happened in the past.
This video was a half hour of a man-baby crying. Guys like this are the same ones telling others if they don't like something about the game to just stop playing. Yet refuse to take their own advice.
So are console players that play just as well or better than good players on pc just gods then?
Most people complaining about 3rd party haven't cleared savage and have cactbot installed KEKL I'll use all the mods I want
Xenos be triggered af that's the only trigger I'm seeing lol
This is how it goes with any regulatory stuff. You get an agreement on both sides for don't show, don't tell until someone decides to go to an extreme and affect a community. NOW, because it's affecting a vocal community (rightly so because it could kill pvp), SE has nothing else they can do in the short term because they're being monitored under a microscope. If they didn't crack the ban hammer, there would be no deterrent for cheating in pvp. If streamers can find a way to hide ui add-ons for their stream output and any mention of it, it won't affect them.