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My favourite things I've heard that they want in is big CD numbers and duration timers on the party list as those things can be helpful. Not sure as I'm not colour blind too but if they have modes taht can separately change just the aoes or something, that might even be good for non-colour blind people, I mean, P3, but there are/ have been other places, like Mt Gulg which was altered individually, but a whole system setting for it would be nice (If that's even possible)
And personally, I know this is a bit of an odd one and the splitting types of buffs has helped with it, but I'd like to see a job bar element for the boot shine buff, it feels like something they ought to put on the job guage
God I hope this video makes the rounds and helps douse some of this dumpster fire. This is why you’re one of the few YouTubers I watch. You do things simply, you’re objective, and you have a good sense of humor.
I don't care about the topic whatever tbh. Play with or without 3rd party add ons I don't really give a flying hoot. I mildly care about it in pvp, but I don't really care about ranked so again, just general apathy from me.
I just wanna add my two cents, despite agreeing with most of the video. I don't think the whole "quiet players won't get punished" is that important, and shouldn't be a priority of SE.
Sure, in an ideal world and an ideal FF14, we'd have equality for all players and the quiet masses get the same treatment and punishment as content creators and loudmouths. But realistically, a software to detect all those things takes a lot of time, effort and most importantly money. I'd rather have SE put that into creating more QoL features, better and more content, and at the least some anti-cheat (as this is a current problem in PvP). When that is done, THEN they can go on their add-on crusade.
Making a prediction here: The next raid world first wont have a kill vod on youtube.
The people who are mass reporting those who use add-ons are like the tattletails in school. The teacher's pet who runs around tell on even the SMALLEST infractions just to curry favor with the teacher. I can understand reporting the mods that allow for cheating, those suck, but reporting on people because they use Gshade or QoL add-ons for accessibility is asinine.
Gets popcorn to watch the comment section explode
I agree with everything you said. It surprises me how many people think they didn't give bans for these things in the past. If reported, then they investigate.
Oh yay another video about the same post
I can read, I'll just stick to that. Sub was useful during ew launch but damn the content well must be fucking dryyyyy
This comes off so suck up and cringe. You are just making a video where you lie to us so you look good to yoshi P.
Me personally think that all the most common 3rd party tools (non cheating) should be integrated into the game. it will only make the game better, and SE will still have the authority to ban toxic players. Im sure SE has its reasons, but it should always consider that the player base is valid too.
I understand the argument that alot of these add ONS help PC players read the hud and play the game with more info that can be helpful. But what everyone forgets is that a decent number of people play on a Play Station. These add ONS give PC players an unfair advantage over PS players because console players do not have access to these add ONS.Even I have to constantly tell my FC I cant just click on discord links in chat because I am not on a computer. The only real compromise is to either implement these add ONS in game so everyone has access. Ban anyone that uses these add ONS. Or to segregate PC and ps players in pvp and Ultimate raids so PS players have an even playing ground.
I wish there weren't so many bad actors in the streaming community. It isn't a meme any more. People seriously are acting like Discord is third party, MS Paint is third party, WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM is third party.
Poes Law exists. Be more responsible for the dumb you put out into the internet world.
I really appreciate you doing this video in the way that you did. People losing their minds over nothing new. The usual crowd of content-creators that want to rabble rouse are doing the standard clickbait, almost as if daring SE to take notice and ban them so they can get more views. While "don't ask, don't tell" is a pretty terrible policy in general, it's a pretty low bar to set if you want to use whatever tools you enjoy.
Not only people make addons by data mining but they also data mine and spoils unreleased content on the internet, gotta love people still defending data mining isn't wrong/against the ToS.
I'm not sure if it's possible, but it would be hilarious if they could distort the information read by ACT and output ludicrous numbers that make no sense just to troll them.
The rule was "Don't talk about fight club". Streaming with mods and or plugins is talking, blogging, and writing editorials about fight club. Nothing has changed from Square's point of view.
The mental gymnastics and entitled lawyering is as funny as it is sad with all of these fools thinking they're going to internet lawyer their way to Square coming out and saying, "you're right, you caught us, mods are ok now. We were so wrong."
As far as the people mass reporting, this is a particular infantile and entitled crowd of mental children who get off on causing others to suffer because it makes them feel like somehow they have finally made a change to anything somewhere in the world and maybe that means they aren't tiny, undeserving of respect, and completely insignificant. They are wrong.
SE fix controller legacy movement camera so then i dont need to use addons to fix it. I get motion sickness with that camera auto moving and standard movement option sucks :/
I'm a console player. All these pc players swearing they NEED these addons are asinine and childish. Console players cannot mod their consoles (in japan is punishable by law) so we don't have such a luxury and we're just fine. I got to post-endwalker with no materia (because I forgot), and I adjusted when I needed to and did my job well as a healer and baby tank. At the end of the day: people broke the ToS and took advantage of Yoshi-p's kindness. So he's not being nice anymore since people want to cheat (pvp) and clear end game content (raids). This is why you appreciate what you have and not poke the bear when he's just trying cuddling you. I do agree people with disabilities should (civilly) just request QoL features from CBU3. We literally got male viera/female hrothgar, viera/hrothgar hairstyles, and hats for viera. They are listening so talk to them. Be polite and respectful.
Lol All of this reminds me of lost ark recently AGS wouldn't allow players to log into the game if they were using a VPN/ExitLag, Even though from the start before the game even launched they stated that those tools were going to be against there TOS. Fast forward those players say we didn't read the TOS no one does, And when someone points out that the Live streams they had several of where they stated and the site that stated VPN's / Exitlag were against TOS. The players say that if it was against TOS why did so and so promote the use of it, Even though many of those even say this is against TOS and to use at own risk.
Funny thing most if not all Game Dev's are going to make Clear what is or isn't allowed in TOS, Many will not make an entire list and in fact i don't think any actually do. So People Take the 5 fraking minutes to read the damned thing.
Most level headed takes. Thanks Mr Happy!
Thanks for the thorough explanation, including the SE side of things. In my opinion I think SE needs to take a hard look at their game and community and decide whether or not they want to embrace that these things evolve (especially over the course of a decade) or if they're ideals are worth sticking to. I personally think it's time they re-evaluate things. They are the top MMO right now, and these things are often expected of games in the genre.
I dont know if there is an Addon for this, but I want to be able to have a flashy alert for when some skills finish cooldown and are up again, I suck at keeping track of 6, 7 CDs at the same time, specially as tank/healer.
On the other end, Im a WoW widow, and I know firsthand how damage meters are good for self improvement, I learned a LOT about rotating single/AOE with DH thanks to that, but how gatekeeper and toxic that is a well, and I understand Yoshi-P stance on not having one as a lesser of two evils, any kind of damage meter, even a personal one, can, and WILL be used for gatekeeping, just like Parse/FFLogs, and I agree with that, hindering personal performance tracking is a lesser evil of what WoW has became thanks to damage meters.
And I agree that we need party buff timers, that is, imho, the 1st prority and I dont see that as a hard change to make.
I just want audio cues of abilities coming off cooldown or to help people remember to reapply DoTs. I work with people with disabilities for a living and people with memory issues or attention issues or visual information processing issues would really benefit from just a voice saying the ability name when it has like 3-5 seconds left. They could even make it cute. Have all the voice actors for the scions have recorded voice lines for each ability in the game and allow you to choose which voice you want to say what thing. Give the ability to turn it off if you don't want it. It literally hurts no one and just makes the game more accessible for people.
I'm pretty much in the same spot when it comes to mods. I don't use them but I don't really care that others do. That is unless I'm just getting destroyed by one in pvp. I'm suspicious that it's happened a few time but of course had no real way of proving that so I just move on. What I am interested in is that statement that came out recently about the devs possibly putting some of these mods into the game as standard HUD features. I'm actually fine with this uproar if the outcome is a bit more quality of life features like just easier to read timers for my cooldowns and what not.
Thank you for making this video. You've made great points for both sides. I am glad you went over real grey areas and how they can clear things up.
(activate troll fingers) Kidding. Add ons are fun but if its against TOS then its against TOS.
I'd kill for a personal DPS meter. I'm not that big into parsing or showing my epicly large D'peepee'S to other players, but I do want to know if I'm doing something wrong with my rotation or not. I play nearly all jobs but not at the same level. And I like to figure rotations etc out by myself. But I find it hard to know if I've done a bad no-no with my rotation somewhere during an encounter or not.
I just want to use it to increase my personal preformance up to a level that is satisfactory. Read/notice my mistakes, learn from them and adjust accordingly. Sadly, that is impossible right now
Been playing ff14 since 1.0 and I've said it time and again: The first rule about mod club is you don't talk about mod club. You don't talk about them, you don't show them, you don't even hint that you have them cause if SE finds out you will eventually get slammed, hard, and there's going to be jack-all you can do about it.
I don't think we'll ever get a dps meter. I've heard horror stories from other games of high end guilds asking for screenshots of dps meters and the like to determine if you get in, or just straight kicked out if your annual report or something shows your dipping. WAY too easy to abuse.
This by far was the most informative take on what Yoshi and team were trying to say and I have seen about 5 other popular videos on this exact thing. "Anything that reads or manipulates game files…" Thank you, thank you, thank you Mrhappy!!!!!
Great video as usual Haps. Cutting through the hysteria and pointing out what's been said over the years. Nothing new.
Thank you Mrhappy for clear explaining and don't meme about it that people dont understand and put more toxic fuel into this discussion than other content creators!
Honestly agree with most of your points.
As a person who occasionally struggle with things like p2s watching the color difference for limit cut mechanic I definitely think that color choices should matter more. Also making the floor of p3s ashy grey vs red so it doesn't mesh with all the other reds. Could also see why people would want add-ons or aids to help with disability.
Personally I have never truly used add-on and I don't like the idea of them in general.
However dps parsing as a tool for self improvement or optimization is something I think is an amazing tool but probably not something that will ever makes it way into the game. However I have found it very helpful to throw a log in ffxiv analysis or have a friend look at it for tips and tricks.
Also I can also see why add-ons can be seen as an unfair advantage to those not using it, know about it or to console players. I definitely feel like their be a equalization of the playing field.
When i start playing ESO when i first time learn there is something like addons it felt natural to use them like everyone else even if before i didin't feel any need for gameplay change and same was with wow and even gw 2. When i start playing ff 14 i felt like in good old mmo where there wasn't any addons and it made better. Now i don't like addons, i don't want them in any online game. Dps meter is most toxic addon i don't care about it in high end content but using it all the time is really bad and if SE didin't take seriously any toxic behavior a lot of player would be toxic based on player dps even in normal dungeon/raid like it is in wow.
I'm glad to finally hear another opinon of: I just really don't care if you use them or don't, as long as its not game breaking I really just don't care.
LMAO the 9 year grace period….I have been saying that to everyone whenever they bitch about no grace period… They've warned us several times about this – this isn't new….Its just we have some loud voices this time making it seem new.
Thank you so much for this video and actually talking about the facts, I'm so sick of people spewing information like the discord thing….and taking it seriously.
This is an example of why if you're going to have rules, they need to be enforced from the get-go. If rules aren't enforced for a time, then are enforced later then people who've gotten used to the rules not being enforced will get upset and you end up with situations like this.
I really really hope you see this, Mr. Happy because this answers your question regarding why they haven't done personal damage meters into SSS. Please dont take this the wrong way but I'm genuinely surprised you didn't know (bc in general you are very well informed about stuff before expressing your opinion) about what Yoshida has said regarding personal damage meters being built into the game. Yoshida has officially stated why there will never, never be a damage meter that will be implemented, personal or otherwise.
Now I'm saying I'm surprised you didn't know about this because you said personally you don't see the harm in that, but that's exactly what Yoshida touched upon in his official reasoning. He believes that, that kind of system will be the root of bullying and he knows for a fact that if they choose to implement even a personal damage calculator, PFs are going to do something like "Only join if you can prove you can dps XXX amount". It's because of this he wants to avoid having a personal damage meter.
Source is here, I've timestamped it for your convenience and everyone else's if anyone else is curious: https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU?t=258
Also goes without saying to enable the closed caption to see a translation of what Yoship's talking about.
At the height of the WoW exodus my algorithm was pushing videos at me with titles that are some form of "FFXIV AddOns You NEED ," much to my confusion. Suddenly I was wondering, if I needed these addons, how did I play from FFXIV beta without them? I watched a couple out of curiosity and at least one was actively bashing the vanilla UI while hyping not just the QoL mods but functionality mods that let you circumvent how PC interactions are supposed to work entirely (e.g. marketboard interactions without being near an MB). The video made it seem like SE was dropping the ball by not having this functionality out of the gate. The hubris dripping from the video left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt like they were leaving WoW because of how Blizzard was screwing up, and then criticizing FFXIV for not being WoW.
That hubris suggests to me that we need to not be hounding SE and Yoshi-P about clarity, but turn our attention to the modding community to keep those kinds of mods off their platforms. If we just keep turning to the corporation for the solution, the solution is going to find every problem is a nail. Content creation will slow to a crawl as devs have to play whack a mole with every player that wants to do everything but actually play the game. And then we'll really be WoW.
The point you made about accessibility addons needs to be shouted from the rooftops. If SE has to bring the hammer down on any and all mods then they'll be even slower to implement meaningful updates (I take the recent addition of the collectable check filters as example). Against TOS as they are, accessibility mods address a need that SE didn't know, and likely wouldn't ever know, they had; never mind the staff required to find and address that need on their own being pulled off of actual content.
(Full disclosure: I have dabbled with addons, and I consistently use datamining sources on the web and in an app to help keep things organized. Automated note taking. Under TOS, I should be suspended.)
Yeah, since Players in World of Warcraft use DBM/BigWigs to auto-kick people who don't use those addons.
The discord thing pretty humorous (well to me anyway) Saw some PF up after the hub bub where some one said if they saw any voice comms / discord needed they were going to report those parties for 3rd party use Hoping they were joking but you never know with the internet
Thank you for posting the most objective discussion about this whole discourse in the community. There’s been so many hot takes that’ve been sensationalized via Social media and I’m so sick and tired of reading it on my feeds.
Addons shouldn't be allowed for one reason only: ff14 is a game divided between pc and console. Wow is not. Making addons required would fuck over the console players.
Also the fights are therefore designed to be completed without them, so no one needs them to get through the fights
People even trying to bring Discord, something which – as happy illustrates – you can use on your phone, is just trying to toss bad faith arguments onto the pile of burning tires.
Like. Playstation also has built in voice chat functions. The only console XIV is on.
Veterans like Mr. Happy or Brian from work to game seldom need the use of addons or any QoL mods because us veterans have formed a FFXIV mold into our play style. The ones that are vocal about these are the refugees from other MMORPG. Especially for those that migrated as their 2nd MMORPG in their life. These people have problem letting go of the old habits they created from previous MMORPG and never bothered or occurred to them that they themselves are the one that needs to adapt.
I think one thing that could potentially work is to have a list of approved add ons and state anything that is not on said list is not ok – since they stated some of the add one are things they would consider adding to the game, allowing players to have it for the time being, while also not having to constantly monitor new add ons as they come out
I currently use Windows to play the game. Am I going to get banned since it accesses the game files?
Civilized communication on the interwebs?
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