FFXIV vs WoW Cash Shop with @Asmongold TV Reaction | Gaming Kinda
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0:00 Introduction
1:00 Awesome Video
9:00 The Really Cool Stuff
15:00 More Epic then You Expected
22:00 Perhaps the most important part
30:00 Until the most Important Part
40:00 True Legends
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Welcome back Chris. I was waiting for your take on this mess. Nice to hear the sane analysis.
I think you should get half credit for monthly subs or something for cosmetics. If you've been a subscriber for 3 years, you should absolutely be able to grab some cool loot. Or reversely, if you buy cosmetics, you should get game time. Not necessarily 1:1.
Right to make money and an obligation to make money does not equate to cash grab over product health. That's where things like the wow token came from. It's how you get pay to win games. There's a line where making money damages your product. Corporations only interested in quarterly profits don't care about that line. This isn't just gaming, it's business in general. If you justify corporate behavior because of a law of requiring businesses to hoe themselves out for quarterly profit as the right thing to do, I just don't know what to tell you.
I have said this before, and will say it again, DATA MINING ruins games. I really wish people would stop. I love not paying attention to the stuff to be pleasantly surprised by new things. Like I am deeply looking forward to the big class reveal video that should come within the next two months showing off the new skills and stuff.
The buffet thing is a trap though. There's no defining line of when they start adding more rooftop dining until the buffet is the sideshow and the rooftop is the mainstay, and all the longtime buffet people wondering why they their food is reheated leftovers from yesterday. That's why you got to be careful with the cash shops, the moment it takes away from the actual game content, you have an issue. If you get as much money from the cash shop or more, where do you think they're going to end up going in the end? You'll have wow where cash shop is literally covering expenses for bad game design and managed decline, parent company still making more money than ever, so who cares about changing direction at that point?
Additionally, you're taking square that the lion share is funneling back into FFXIV. You can't keep saying that unless you can give numbers. They might only use 20% for those servers, and the rest gives to square. Companies aren't going to invest 100% of the goods, you said it yourself, they're there to make shareholders money. That's where your money is literally going.
Is it square enix's job to protect people from themselves?
Yes. I definitely agree that people shouldn't data mine….. It's a terrible experience.
I have to say. I think game development studios should hard cap people's spending on a game at $50 a month per account type with exception to Physical Material and collector digital purchases. If you care about something, you need to be willing to financially support it and those supporting you. Capping spending would create a healthier player base, protect people from spiraling out of control, and they can still buy everything later….. This is particularly true with Children.
As for the mount in question. The issue I have with it is that it is a raid boss. If they released a 1 seater version and then a 2 seater version on the Mog store, I don't think people would have issues with it. However it's only the 2 seater version and its only on the Mog station.
I think the problem is that to me, this breaks immersion. There should be a clear line between raid/story content and cash shop mounts and this crosses that line. I am not massively heavily opposed to it, but it hurts……. (The Moogle mount also hurt a little, but this one hurts quite a bit more). I think clothing to dress up like storyline characters and stuff is fine, but mounts are generally quite a bit more special to players. Hmmm. It's tough to say.
Great video!
People need to get over it. You don't like it don't buy it someone buying does not affect you. I always think it is funny people ack like this it does not change your game in anyway. It is like kids crying that someone has a toy they don't.
People whose characters are their profile pictures??
How ABSURD!!😂😂
When you willingly hand over cash with the rationale of "supporting the company/team," you are already way past a rational buyer/seller relationship and truly in the realm of fanaticism.
one of my favorite things about this whole discourse is how many people get very upset about how other people spend their money.
You know what? If you're working at a call center, bringing home $12 bucks an hour, and you want to spend your spending money on consumer shit that makes you happy, who the actual fuck gets to decide or judge as to whether or not you are being 'preyed upon' or should stop because you aren't getting good value for your money?
People with this philosophy need to go outside and take a look at the real state of the world. Being in customer service, especially during the pandemic, is a miserable experience. If some fucking funko pop, or a store mount, or whatever, brings someone joy, all the better for it.
It's a gross mindset, especially when it's being espoused by someone like asmon who is 1.)making a shit ton of money from these SAME KINDS OF PEOPLE, but who are giving HIM their money, and 2.)is subscribed to multiple subscription-based games that are unecessary and that someone else would certainly think is a stupid way to spend money.
Anyone else had to google what a whale is in terms of mmos? I sure had to lol
Putting this mount is a step over the line. Once before it was done with Odin. Now with such an iconic raid. What else will they add now. It's all open.
And like you said, some people just want to go the extra mile to support the game, that's why I GOT the lunar whale, they wanted my support and they got it. Will I ever have a NEED for it? No but why not? And come on.. its alexander… i love that raid and IT PLAYS the boss music.
There definitely seems to be a double standard when it comes to physical merchandise vs merchandise for the game. We’re talking about mounts rn, not boosts, essentially cosmetics. Shirts and figurines don’t usually get the same amount of flack as mounts. I think there is a line, and it’s built on trust and feedback about what is acceptable and not.
The cash shop does not have mounts that are re-colors of rare mounts yet. There is a clear split on what is in the cash shop and what isn’t, I understand that cc is a muddled ground which is why it’s a hot topic.
Back when creator savage was current content I truly wanted cc as a mount, and since raid mounts were kind of one off, we only had the Gobbie beetle, I assumed if we were getting it it’s going to be in the cash shop. And low and behold it is! The mount reward philosophy has definitely changed over expansions. And I think it’s always good to give good faith criticism, rather than assuming the worst. Especially when we have confirmation by the team and proof that they aren’t lying out of their butts. Of course we’re not behind the scenes looking into every document and so there is somewhat a reliance on trust.
I think it’s just weird to berate people for getting a 30$ mount, but it’s okay for someone to buy a 3000$ limited guitar. A healthy debate is cool, boundaries evolve and change overtime, but asmongold tends to overstep into “cash shop is always bad, don’t support more than your sub/expac” but then has no clear view on physical merchandise.
Ok i know my thrid comment but the buffet thing just hit the issue dead on: people complaining are complaining because they feel ENTITLED to what they want just because they want it. It doesn't work that way.
I really wish gamers understood how expensive it was to add content into a game
Just a quick comment from someone who played games before mtx and even subscription games was a thing. It is not just about trust, as to how they use the money, yes it makes a difference, but it is not the whole story. One of the major issues is games putting things in a shop, is that it would otherwise have been actual game content. There is a very real fear, that is also very justified from the way the big companies behave, that more and more content gets moved to a shop, rather than being earnable ingame. When an mmo charges for the game, expansions, gametime and top it off with a cash shop, it is very reasonable to ask what exactly what you are paying for at each point in the payment process. It is best explained with wow, infact, Asmon has already done so before, where previous expansions themed mount was an ingame reward, where they in later expansions became store mounts (that golden dragon and the fairy dragon and so on). It is less about value for money (less, not nil) and more about a sense of being "robbed" of challenge/reward content players feel should have been in the game. Game companies are always trying to push the limit as to what they can get away with, because once the playerbase has accepted it, it becomes the norm (frog being slowly boiled in a pot). My youngerself would never have believed that we have come to the point, where singleplayer games come with a mtx shop, selling you ressources and timeskips, not only was that just cheat codes back then, but as a company has a right to make money, there is nothing stopping them from incentivising you, by making the game extra grindy. Final Fantasy, might be fairer than most, but it doesnt change that it is bad for the players, both in terms of ingame content, but also by acclimatizing them to buying the pictures of a mountain view at the foot of the mountain, instead of making you want to climb the mountain to take the pictures yourself.
I have no problem with this.
I've purchased numerous things from the MOG Station and I am glad it's there.
I work. I earn money. I have surplus cash that I sometimes spend this way. My choice.
I am literally not interested – despite this overt need in modern society for political correctness – if someone has an issue with spending money they do not necessarily have/can afford. If this did not exist (the MOG Station), they'd vent their compulsions elsewhere. Because these peoples exist should NOT negate me from spending my money, how I see fit.
Dregs nowadays want to be coddled and complain and complain when they aren't coddled.