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At the moment I am enjoying New World. World of Warcraft lost almost all its uniqueness, the skeleton of wow remains and the only closest mmo is Final Fantasy. Playing a class in wow is fun but the world building, the professions, the player interactions, and the gearing have become useless. At the end of the day you grind the same gear over and over different item levels and the character gets minorly stronger. That's not the same wow most of us enjoyed all those years.
WOW is in good condition COPIUM, Accolonn isnt shitting on WOW and Blizz because he wants them to improve COPIUM-he is only doing it for the views COPIUM, if you love the game never say anything negative about it COPIUM, FF is weeb&furry ERP COPIUM, WOWs last 3 out 4 xpas didnt suck COPIUM.
Srsly if u guys think this shit then u deserve this gr8 xpac called SHADOWLANDS!!!!
P.S.: Acco raid being difficult isnt equal requirements for it( we all know how Blizz loves retentions).
When you consider highest difficulty point of the raid being is requirements for it ,not the mechanics nor skill expression, then your point loses its value then its an issue of shitty design of the system
Final Fantasy has and will always be about the story, that is just what it is, Story first, MMO second. WOW doesn't hold a candle to Final Fantasy, it will NEVER hold a candle to Final Fantasy.
I am really tired of people declaring FFXIV is a WoW killer or 'winning' or something. TBH that's not what the devs of FFXIV are trying to do. They're not working to make the game to kill other games. They're just trying to make a game and community that they enjoy and that their players enjoy. That's it! That is literally it.
It just so happens that people are hungry for that mindset right now. In this age of cash grabs and pay 2 win and parasitic game design, FFXIV's model is a breath of fresh air. (And yes, I am aware they have a cash shop, too. But you cannot say their cash shop is anywhere near the greedy premium currency and P2W models of other games.)
I think when a lot of people say WoW is more hardcore, they do mean that's it more difficult. Which I would say isn't true, but most people that say that WoW is more hardcore are mostly people who play WoW and don't know much about FF. They see FF has an emphasis on story and all this "just for fun" side content like housing, and all the glamour, etc and they think that's all there is to it. I'm not even joking, I've seen comments on yt about how "FF is only good if you like dressing up your catgirl and having a house. WoW is better at everything else."
Many people who play WoW pride themselves on being "hardcore gamers". Especially now that many casual players have left and the only people still playing are the hardcore players. So they say stuff like this to defend their pride. Which is the same reason why they feel personally attacked when someone criticizes WoW. They've played the game for 15+ years. It's part of who they are.
"Hardcore" doesn't mean you have to full time work the game, it means you have to be good at the game. Not the same.
How far can we stretch the "raids aren't better just different" angle now?
I can give names in the oficial forums that almos any critic in the wow take it like a personal insult
looter is ok, stop saying shooter,
Well from my point of view there's not any game that's actually an mmorpg right now.. many of them want to be called that way but they are not massive in multiple ways or even multiplayer focused but that´s another conversation topic
Hardcore means get gud, not spending your life. Those are very diferent concepts. You do you, and have fun
just imagine how many more would do mythic and raids if the community wasn't trash in wow, and that's the difference with FF, in FF you get banned real quick if you start being an ass
Once you get to the other 3 expansion your opinion would changr
I think the reason that I like Final Fantasy XIV more than World of Warcraft is that the story in FF is easier to follow and there's a lot more to enjoy about it. It's just a more chill game in general.
While WoW has a brutal mess of a story, there's nothing to follow and nothing to drive you forward but leveling to max and then get abused by blizzard's retention trap and just lose interest.
Still hoping for the day when World of Warcraft comes back in fighting form because now it's not a game for the players, I feel they've been neglected for a while. It fucking sucks man I love WoW but I can't stand it nowadays.
When I need a break from ffxiv, I switch to crafting and gathering in ffxiv lol.
Make a few million while I take a break from ex trials, raiding or leveling classes to 90.
I think having different content in ffxiv that is very different than the traditional hardcore content that is combat oriented is a godsend.
That other content is just as fleshed out that you could consider it to be its own alternate hardcore content like crafting, gathering, housing, chocobo raising, triple triad or gold saucer.
All that alternate hardcore content other than combat is just a fantastic palate cleanser.
Wouldn't compare raids from game that has addon that holds your hand to game you need to learn and see those mechanics, also watching something to content that they know always looks easy
As long as there are those who remember what was, there will always be those who are unable to accept what can be.
FFXIV is a true themepark MMORPG. There's a ride for nearly every player to try, and if you like it you keep riding the same ride. When you get sick of it, you try a different ride. After a time when you don't feel like riding anything anymore, you leave the park and come back when you want to enjoy the same rides again, or maybe something new was added.
If you can compare a planet to a star, or water to a stone… you can compare two fucking games man.. cmon.
I do agree though…. especially with the looter shooter shit. id go farther and say its a mobile looter shooter.
Biggest problems with FF are the abominable net code, the class homogeneity and the lack of character customisation from a gameplay perspective
The best way I can sum up WoW is a 9 to 5 job. You have to be on to make any use of the content that they make that is massively all time gated or you get screwed over. FFXIV you can walk away or take your time and none of the content never becomes obsolete. I'm in Endwalker right now and taking my time with it. There is no time gated jobs that you must do or have to grind every day just to get further into the game. I can have a life outside of FFXIV and not worry about how to make up for lost time.
i mean, it's fitting to not watch the entire video before commenting, when the same people decide to comment the story (specifically the story, not the gameplay) of FF 14 after bragging they bought a max level skip and passed all ctuscenes. seems like analysing and commenting on stuff you havent experienced is becoming something of a trend on youtube. at least there are still some content creators that actually put the time in what they do (like you, T&E, Asmon, Rurikhan…). keep making nice vids !
Honestly job swap makes FF a million times better to play imo.
I think you made a great point. When I came back to try wow the amount of work you had to do to prep for raid turned me off. To put it in comparison my prep for raid was leveling my two raid classes which I did casually while enjoying the story and then beating the ex for a weapon. I beat the normals for some gear and will do it again next week then just fill with crafted gear when savage releases and past that point it's mainly personal skill on our 8 players that will take us through the raid
Getting done with the Endwalker MSQ now gives me time to explore everything else that is new plus all the old stuff that I still haven't fully explored – like chocobo racinttg.
I could still see going back to WoW someday but only if the game and Blizzard are changed for the better.
The thing is since so many left WoW to play FFXIV makes it them a competition even if them being different styles of game.
I really don't agree with the looter shooter analogy and here is the reason in those games the guns are the main attraction having a ton of different and unique skills and variants and wow is just stats numbers so imo and I know wow players wont like this but wow is more a mobile game were you have things with a specific set of skills and the only things you do is the same activity's fore more stats
lets just say i took a week off right after i finish EW and the raid dropped this week and in 2 days i'm raid ready
I like the variety ffxiv gives me and the ability to take a break and play something else
I see alot of people in this comment section thinks HardCore≈Good its more like "oh wow you are going hard-core into that" and not "wow you are hard-core for doing it" he is saying that the game makes you go hard-core which isn't good because doing something hard-core doesn't make you hard-core
It’s how you define “hardcore.” If artificial time sinks and grinds just to squeeze out more play time from subs is the definition of hardcore, then yes, WoW is more hardcore.
If it comes to actual playable content and not filler grinds, FFXIV has it beat simply by the fact that WoW is all gear based and players literally have plug-ins play the “hard” content for them.
In FFXIV, gear plays a smaller factor and the tough fights are mostly skill checks (ability to understand mechanics, paying attention to telegraphs, keeping up rotation for optimal damage while dodging mechanics) In WoW, it’s all about the gear, where success is mostly determined by how much time you spent grinding BiS and then your plugin plays the raid for you.
"Hardcore" raiding in the terms of WoW is fucking stupid.
Its amazing to see how many failed parents there has been the previous generation, to raise a bunch of useless children who just complain when they don't get their own way, or people are not playing the way someone else thinks they should. Its no different then logging into Heroes of the storm and someone tells you what character to choose, I respond with "And who the fucks talking to you?" and it seems to do me pretty well. Your 1 out of 8 billion your opinion is worth fly shit.
Blizzard really but a bad taste to many many players who didn't play MMO in general.
Since Blizzard is number 1 and WoW is the king at that time EVERYONE thought that's how MMO should be full hardcore, no life, grind every day, toxic community and all stereotypical MMO players you can think of and many many MMO games follow WoW example until FFXIV make a headline and inform people that what Blizzard did isn't healthy and it drives people away to touch MMO.
FFXIV break those stereotypes of MMO completely and bring many casual and hardcore players together and prove that MMORPG isn't just for Hardcore players but for both and run with harmony. YoshiP understand that what WoW did even back then isn't even healthy and actively avoid what WoW did up until now.
I'm just glad many people now know that MMORPG can be so much more and more healtier. Some MMO start to implement and learn from YoshiP which is a good thing.
I just wish this happen sooner before all the Blizzard fiasco.
I think there's something to be said if people believe that wow raids are harder, based on factors outside of the raid themselves.
Ultimately wow has the problem of
1. Gear from 4 or 5 different sources
1b. And those sources are rng slot machine as to those loots even being an actual upgrade
2. The logistics of having to deal with 20 mouth breathers that are still high on copium
3. Secondary systems/ borrowed power farming
Wow presents itself as a "hard core" raiding game.
While the hard core aspects have literally nothing to do with the actual raid, but literal busy work in order to inflate "engagement" with the game.
I forgot who said it, but it was said best .
Wow raiding is gear gated .
Ff14 raiding is skill gated.
Brother how can you define hardcore with the horrible grind wow is? you very well know how wow is just a slot machine with all the rng, you grind and grind for things you have no choice over, even your abilities are an rng proc, with that being said, how can you use that system to define 'hardcore', the only thing hardcore about that system is the amount of people that have left the game.
I don’t understand what you mean about the people currently playing WOW never migrating to Final Fantasy. There’s been a clear and documented surge towards Final Fantasy particularly from the World of Warcraft playerbase. They’re not as dissimilar as everyone would like to claim.
As far as it being a zero sum game, it is. Most people cannot play two mmos at the same time. Final fantasy 14 is doing so well because it offers so much for so many people. Even if WoW’s raiding is technically better or harder, The difference is entirely negligible and is easily made up by how much more ffxiv has to offer. If the raiding in Final Fantasy was completely awful then there might be an argument here but it’s not. It’s spectacular and it’s in no way a given that wow has better raiding.
I play both, alternating which one is on. Never miss an expansion launch on either since both games released. I want both games to succeed, and was feeling pretty good about things in Legion. Here's hoping WoW can make a glorious come back. For me, I just want the new abilities we get each expansion to be permanent. Tired of borrowed power, it feels very unsatisfying to lose your fun new toys every 2 years.
Can people stop trying to say u can't compare them… U can they are mmos period stop trying to cuck for wow. They both have loot the both have tuff content. FFXIV is a better game just get over it.they winning in story ,gameplay, and community. It seem like when wow was winning they players called ff lame and a weeb game full of weirdos. Till they played it. Now people like this guy just make excuses and play the middle.and I'm not even a super ff fan iv played it for a bit and it has ever type of combat and mini games done right. And when I get bores I can take a break and come back and kno I can catch up and not waste a year of my life trying.
Is that an edge you want to have though? I dont think no lifing just to access hard content is necessarily more hardcore, but it sure is more disrespectful of your time. WoW is just jealous possessive girlfriend.
Accolonn, this is much to calm and reasonable, this is the internet my dude, a place for synthetic identities and manufactured emotions.
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The world class 1 "limit maximum" came with his team and he admitted that FF is more difficult raids ( extreme + Savage + ultimate ) especially the Alexander boss but he cleared it with FF pros team they have helped him and playing not blind, also he did cheat and watched the guide when he was doing some extremes and "Eden's Savage" raids but he refused to admit it, because he did some mistakes like he did knows some mechanics before it appears, sorry for my bad English, anyway when u gonna do some "Eden's Savage" u gonna understand it. But yoshida said that every raids must be ez especially the dungeons for relaxing time except the extreme, Savage and ultimate. Ty for your efforts.
From what i could feel, WoW Mythic raids are harder
That doesnt mean its better, actually is even more niche