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Naoki Yoshida discusses FF14 multiverse theorem and the possibility of seeing Ascians after Dawntrail.
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I wonder if we'll need the Ascians' help in order to visit the remaining shards.
I need to replay the story at some point because it’s been so long. I barely remember some of the things that was talked about in this video lol
They'll probably use the remains of Zodiark in reflections as a plot thread at some point, kinda like how they did in the post endwalker story.
I wouldn't mind this but I hope they don't do it in a way that's free likes a re run
lower stakes for dt? what do you mean? it was just another worldending event
Alternate timeline Zodiark is still around
Please god don't do multiverse crap. I'm BEGGING you, CS3. It NEVER ends well. Alternate dimensions are fine, but being able to just say "lol here's another copy of Emet-Selch" will just ruin the stakes forever.
Bro no, I'm so tired of the ascians 😒 they're all so mopey and have the personalities of wet noodles.
All i hope is that we're not going to touch unrestricted time-travel as it creates complete nonsense scenarios, only time travel that makes sense are closed loops ones like Alexander raids or the Elpis MSQ part, not stuff like Graha time travelling back to the First with Crystal Tower.
I don't want them as the main threat, but exploring what an ascian or two do after Zodiark is dead and their quest is rendered moot could be really interesting. If you played a part in a Rejoining for the 'greater good' but now that greater good is rendered moot and impossible to achieve what do you do? Can you live with that? What do you do with yourself now? Or maybe like Fandaniel, some of the remaining ascians identify with their mortal lives as much or more so than their past on the Convocation. That could be fun to explore, as long as they don't replicate Fandaniel's 'going rogue and want to destroy everything' plot. Despite not being as powerful as Elidibus or Emet-Selch, Fandaniel is the one who set the end of the world in motion again almost ending in the extinction of all life.
So if they do bring another ascian in as the villain they don't have to come out with 'actually they're super strongerer than Emet' anyway. They would just need a good plan for them to carry out. That's assuming that said ascians come into the story as full on villains anyway.
Actually, the concepts he's talking about are extremely interesting, and I'd love if they explored them. I'm just really worried about the execution, because the Dawntrail MSQ sounded also cool in concept, but the writing did ruin it a biiit… 😅 I want to be excited for the story again
Please make the fire reflection a badass expansion please God
I kinda don’t want the Ascians to come back. It would undo everything Endwalker did. The three unsundered acians acknowledged us as worthy to continue their legacy. They’ve past on the torch to us
The multiverse answer kinda pokes at a Dawntrail question I had which was basically: “how did people fleeing the calamity of ice end up on the shard with the calamity of levin when the latter happened year’s before the former?”
My personal take is that I welcome self-enclosed stories that don't span 5 expansions BUT make them span 2-3 expansions. Don't drag them out but maks them long enough that you can give a full experience and don't be afraid to close an arc and start another within the same expansion.
Honestly, I'll tell you what I expected DT to be: no reality ending threats, very restrained start to a narrative while the WoL and the Scions wandered about this new continent experiencing small adventures and mini arcs in each area that set up populations, characters and lore that would be used in future expansions.
I expected the royal race to be a sort of device for that or just to make us tied to a leader on the new continent so that it makes sense for us to have a base of operations there and allies to rely on when shit eventually would hit the fan.
We…sorta got it but in no way we were delivered what was promised. Instead we got dollar store Ascians and dollar store Zenos who spawns a child out of thin air.
…oh, and they squandered Erenville and Krile's arcs while the Scions didn't do much besides a few scenes and we were smiling and nodding as Wuk Lamat pardoned people that needed to be executed on the spot…realistically speaking.
It is Final Fantasy but I've never felt so disassociated from what my character was doing or how he was reacting to events as I did in this expansion.
There are some scenes that are jaw droppingly stupid like the one where, after trial two, something drops from the defeated, in front of everyone, not even the most curious of us go and take it, we let someone that we know, by that point, is intentioned to do something very bad, walk slowly, in the middle of the whole group, towards the thing and initiate a death clock, basically.
I was stunlocked by how absurdly stupid that was and all it needed for it to work was that the "person" suddenly stole it with a drone or another small and fast unit.
The music is stellar (though, a few times it's been used in pretty tone deaf ways, IMHO) and the combat and solo duties are also pretty good, though, some of them are literally impossible to lose so might as well have been there just to avoid putting another cutscene…which this expansion has way too many of…in fact, it has a severe issue with its pacing. Same with dungeons who are now formulaic and have to last a certain amount of time so it's always: 2 groups of enemies, wall, 2 groups of enemies, boss, repeated ad nauseam.
Don't believe me? Go and replay the dungeons.
Anyway, the expansion is a mix bag and I hope that either they hire better writers next or, if they stick with the ones they have, that they learn to write better stuff than this elementary school level stuff.
That being said, I also am scared pf multiverse stuff. We already have the reflections, so there's no need to start and overcomplicate with multiple timelines.
I'll be real, if the game starts doing time travelling and multiverse and handles it as a cop out to resurrect dead characters left and right or to pull mcguffins without proper setups, I'm done with the game.
It'd pain me to say goodbye to my WoL or my fc but I'm not going to pay for some World of Warcraft level of bastardization of the beautiful world the devs struggled to build up until 7.0.
Please no multiverse lmao, other than that I'm excited
I'm pretty sure the relic is from the ascians…potentially Azem and we may need it to travel beyond our world finally.
I sympathize with the people that may feel they're sick of Ascians. But because we keep exploring more shards that were directly impacted by them, it's only natural and logical to also keep exploring them. While I personally didn't care too much for their lore from EW, I am curious to see how a successfully rejoined world would fair, if it is even possible, and if it should be possible, especially now that the gods are dead and fate has been placed into mortal hands.
Here's my thoughts about the remaining sundered ascians : since the unsundered are gone, they're now free to do as they wish. Like Fandaniel, they could opt to do something completely different than the plans the unsundered had. It could very well be that a few of them even grew to accept that the world as it is now is what it is. Doubly so now that Hydaely and Zodiark are gone.
So I wouldn't be surprised if we came across an ascian that is basically doing what the WoL does with his Island Sanctuary : he's just living, doesn't care about the rejoining and just exists within the world as it is now. Heck, maybe one of them is part of the Ironworks crew undercover and just decided to remain an engineer. Another may well just be a noble in Ishgard, a merchant in Othard. Heck, what if one of them was a Padjal?
I mean, while the WoL and Scions found ways to defeat Ascians, they never had means to detect them. It often was happenstance or plain sleuthing at looking for a known Ascian; they never really sought to find one they never knew about in the first place.
It wouldn't surprise me if someone we already know from 2.0 onward might well have been a sundered Ascian all along and they simply didn't act on the orders of the Unsundered… or simply were so discreet, they never knew they were around.
People forget that the first instance of Interdimensional travel in FFXIV [as players] was back in ARR when FFXI's Shantotto traveled to Eorzea from Vana'Diel. The FFXI raid series hopefully expands on the DT MSQ with the return of the queen of all mages -Shantotto. As with FFXIV; FFXI has a storyline in which the WoL is dead and the cloud of darkness consumes the world, and an MC is sent back in time to correct that. I've felt that Vana'Diel is the 13th shard for awhile now, but the bad-timeline. We're actually in the future of current FFXI. Since prior to DT; Instances of interdimensional travel resulted in varied results in regards to the destinations time. That said; a timeline likely exists wherein the Ascians rejoined everything. I REALLY wonder if YoshiP will explore us fighting 'The rejoined' that are far more powerful than the ones we met. Thus, giving us Azem the traveler that went beyond the realm that Venat walked. To different times, worlds and saw the reality that was the 'bad ending'. Then setting forth in motion the existence of 'Us'. Making sure that the bad-timeline never happens. The thought of super-evil Venat fighting us to 'rejoin' the multiverse of sources to one 'pure' timeline, would be awesome.
Cue Michael Scott. NO! Please Fing find new antagonists please. END walker remember… the END in that title?
Bro, I was CERTAIN we were going to "absorb" Zero (assuming she was the Warrior of Light from her reflection, just as Ardbert was in the First) and I thought they were going to pursue a storyline where we become a complete Azem, since we are a sundered Azem, and have already "absorbed" Ardbert's essence at the end of Shadowbringers. I guess they're sleeping on that ENTIRE premise…
i meen since Zodiark (and the paragons) is no more, the still active acians might can go awole like fandaniel did (just not as nihilistic and more the "i will rule this reflection"…. sort). some might even be somewaht friendly (i meen gaia is a good exemple) to us since the wol (azem) is the next best thing to a paragon now.
We have seen four Ascian masks in a certain somewhere that is currently powered down (if you got that far; I reckon those were Ascian masks), so I'm interested to see how this turns out.
Writing Team, please consult Ishikawa and don't screw up this time.
Just looking forward to Y'shtola's reunion with Runar. Probably the 1st place she'll go. 😀
I just let my subscription expire. They should've gotten this expansion right instead of taking the blog post route.
The ascians are the devs that want to bring back 1.0. They refuse to accept its fall
oh no space time that has me worried Dawn Trails execution was really bad so my faith in the writers has dropped ALOT.
Okay, so it looks like FFXIV is operating on the Alternate Universe Split style of time travel, though whether it's Return New or Return Old (aka, whether the time traveller, if they don't take the slow path, would go to their universe of origin, like Trunks, or not, like Back to the Future (kind of)).
What really muddies the timestream is that Elidibus, moments before sending us to Elpis, suddenly went "wait, I saw you there, didn't I? No? Yes?"
They need just to quit the Ascian angle. We already fought the strongest of them in Emet-Selch and Venat aka Hydaelyn. Whenever they introduce lesser Ascians we get situations like in Eden where they are just "there" for the plot.
I rather have new relevant enemies instead of the same old.
The Big Three are gone in the current timeline, but that doesn't immediately halt any side projects that can keep going without constant meddling. We even see how one sundered Ascian went completely off the rails the moment he suspected there was no more oversight. Even if we don't get a full expansion dedicated to one particular shard like Shadowbringers, cross-shard travel would bring up all kinds of possibilities.
Keep in mind we still have a loose plot thread from Endwalker. That is, where was Azem during the Final Days? And how was the time loop created in the first place? There needs to be a divergent timeline that failed in order for there have been one that allows Venat to know to help WoL return to the past and gain knowledge to combat Meteion. That's where Space-Time Multiverse shenanigans comes in. They have this precedent set similarly to how there had to be a failed world in Shadowbringers in order for G'raha to return to the first and help save the source.
The msq sets us up for another way for us to undo the sundering . Js. I'll let you go figure it out
Nobody was able to convince me he's not just been waiting for the moment to go 'it was them pesky Ascians again'.
Come on now, the MSQ is as far from "safe" as possible. You can see the evidence of that in the discourse. They took MANY MANY MANY risks – shifting the tone of the overall narrative to lower stakes and peaceful exploration, turning the focus away from WoL as the central character, centering the narrative around Wuk Lamat, limiting the amount of Scion screentime in favor of putting new characters to the fore, having a very slow worldbuilding first half, then setting up and resolving a completely new culture in the rest of the time…
The safe option would've just been to give people Scion fanservice. We travel around with the characters we know, we interact with them 90% of the time, we don't bother with introducing too many new peoples and instead spend time on reinforcing the established characters of the Scions. It would be safe – but it would also be very boring, because without some contrived drama, the Scions are very much well-rounded and don't have much conflicts to resolve at all. Players would love the sections involving their favorite Scion, though.
So no, Dawntrail MSQ is very much an attempt to push as far from the usual storylines as possible – and they will see what landed, what didn't. Don't expect to see much of Wuk Lamat in the future – or such heavy focus on any new character for that matter. That's a very clear message most folks are giving with their feedback, regardless of how gracefully they do it.
I can't help wondering if something will happen that renders the Nier raids as canon to the MSQ, like maybe YorHa sent out a ship at some point to search for the world the creators of the Machines came from, and that ship eventually finds its way to Etheirys…
One loose end regarding at least Emet-Selch and Lahabrea (Elidibus as we know him was the heart of Zodiark) is how they remained Unsundered (unless Venat somehow managed to deliberately leave them Unsundered to preserve what she knew of the coming timeline).
Multiverses and time travel is creative bankruptcy. Knew it was heading that way when they hired w/e this is for writing.