Processes and predictions from 5.2.
0:00 – Echoes of a Fallen Star
9:15 – Elidibus
17:48 – Recorded Theories
33:49 – Dreamy
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5.3 is going to make them flip. Though, if Garrett and Kyle are reading this, here's a challenge to the two of you. Somewhere in 5.3 there's an Easter egg that about 50% of the players missed on their own playthrough. See if you can be in the successful 50% 😃
“Is venat the precusor to minfilla?”
Oh that you see the thing about venat is that- gun shot rings out followed by me dropping dead revealing spoiler sniper in the background
Looks like my comment from this morning was deleted. I apologize for any spoiler-y bits – made it as vague as I possibly could.
Soft side question – did Tuna make an appearance at a nightclub venue on Coeurl a few weeks ago? The place I work at had a video game cosplay theme on a Saturday and someone mentioned a Tuna briefly walking around ^_^
13:44 Randy Marsh is that you? 😂
This is why I like you guys; yeah the dynamic you two have is good – and that's awesome – but the meals you end up cooking along with the production values in the videos you make are just so damn good.
As for Kyle's question of "what were we doing?" the answer, for me and my friends anyway, was dying repeatedly to Light Rampant as our casual static slowly slogged our way through Eden 8 Savage. We did eventually beat it, but with our sparse schedule it took almost up until the Moogle Tomestone event before we got our eight kills.
But aside from that, we just sat and waited because we had no choice. It was maddening, but the payoff in 5.3 was absolutely worth the wait.
34:48
But what if it's 3rd hand?
I told the doctor about AlphiKyle….. he said AlphiKyle cannot hurt me…. but that face, i see it everywhere.
As someone who waited….honestly, it was the beginning of Covid and we were all just freaked out? Waiting extra months for answers was acceptable given the circumstances. The theories were wild, though. A lot of speculation all over the place. When we weren't scrambling to find toilet paper and building statues out of butter.
(This was also the start of the second savage raid tier, so we had all of that to keep us busy, too. E8S was notoriously difficult to execute properly)
The cat cry edit at 6:38 had me laughing much harder than it should have…. because i did the same cry when talking about it with my brother (when it 1st dropped) except i used the baby dinosaur cry from ice age 3
Players just sat looking at their screens waiting for the next patch, like a lonely dog waiting for someone to come home from work by the window.
LOL you guys have amazing content ♥
LA HEE
Goddamnit I was drinking from my coffee at 6:37 lmao
Ah what people were doing during 5.2? Ocean fishing for shark mount which was pretty fun especially when you win big during an Aurora-esque timed event that can proc, first stage of Bozjda I believe with some new Empire lore and Ishdard restoration which was really at its peak then with leaderboards and full gathering maps in the newly transformed Diadem which was a field area like Eureka prior to this. The crafting job with the most crafts per server has their main hand featured as a statue in Ishgard for that server so you see what job won in each server by going to Ishgard housing area and Ruby weapon of course which is remembered less fondly now than when it first came out and I think Varis fight as well for dyed lv 80 gear(maybe that was .25)
A LOT of people started joining the game during the pandemic to socialize with others while staying indoors, especially when FFXIV had a big free trial weekend over Memorial Day. For those who were waiting for the next round of patch content, the rise of in-game population actually kinda fit with the story in that there were a bunch of new Warriors of Light running around. So, many vets spent this time leading sprouts through the msq and past trials/dungeons and starting new fc's. I also feel like the amount of RPing and number of folks aware of or going to in-game community events and watching ffxiv streams went up during this time too.
What was I doing in the meantime? TRYING NOT TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE IMPENDING DEATHS. 😭This was the most Game of Thrones this game had ever felt up till now for me (Who's gonna die? IS someone gonna die? Don't you dare take G'raha from me we just got him back!! WTF IS THIS WHITE ROBE HERE?! ELIDIBUS YOU PUT THAT BODY BACK DOWN WHERE YOU FOUND IT OR SO HELP ME-) and man I hated it.
But you know. Enjoy the peace of mind while it lasts boys, because once you're caught up you're gonna be suffering with the rest of us. 😈
Elidibus being nuts is very well done
11:24 "My real issue is prayer is how you get primals." =-)
I have watched many streamers. And your cooking about Minfillia/Hydaelyn is so outer space, I love it.
29:05 That's my theory about Zenos. He HAD the potential for amazing power being Emet's grandson but was limited by his Garlean body's non-magic affinity. But the fake Echo experiment fixed that.
Elidibus is the mediator so to speak, ensuring that the source doesn’t drift too far in any one direction while his fellow ascians are preparing the shards for assimilation. So if it’s drifting to far towards darkness, he does things that will restore equilibrium like helping us in ARR, and when it’s leaning to far towards light he puts his might behind things that would bring darkness, like helping Emet or working with the Ishgard Pope. He’s basically trying to make sure the source survives each of the rejoinings that happens.
Also OMG THAT INTRO WAS FREAKING HILARIOUS I choked on my water the first time and had to rewind to watch it again lmao
I can't believe how fitting the title "Evil Graha" is for the white robed figure
A lot of what's confusing you had been explained way, way long ago, and some of it has to be inferred, but the info is still there, and some of it still is in 1.X, which you'll almost certainly never see.
Let's get the harder to know stuff out of the way. We know that those blessed with the Echo get such after a Starshower. In 1.0 the very first cutscenes you have Hydaelyn telling you to "Hear, Think Feel," and you see a Starshower (I know you can easily find a 1.0 Lominsa entry that shows this). There's no crystal of light to be seen. in 1.0, we eventually meet and join the Walkers of the Twelve, an organization made by Minfilia to gather everyone who has an Echo to band together and help people in need. Still no crystals of light. Here we also learn that the Echo begins appearing very rapidly just before a coming Calamity. And finally in 1.0, There's an NPC called Travenchat. A man who was an Ascian (his personal theme was Without Shadow, the default theme of Ascians since the start of 2.0) He stole an artifact that allowed a massive amount of aether to be drawn from the land over a great area (in 3.5, we learned he put that Horn into Alexander's body, and got Mide's friends to summon a primal into it).
In the 2.0 series, Thancred is being ridden by Lahabrea, and we saw in the Thaumaturge questline that Voidsent can do it too, but when we kill the Voidsent, it's body goes poof (in 2.5 we learn that directly Voidsent that are killed come back to life, the Cloud of Darkness does that to us at the end of the World of Darkness, and Feridad comes back to life to laugh and mock us after we kill him in Amdapor Keep HM). We also see the first Crystal of Light held by a Non-Echo Non-Primal Person, When the Sylphs hand us the Crystal of Light attuned to Lightning. We also see that other Echo-empowered individuals, simply noted as gifted, can body snatch other people nearby when they die, This happens in 2.2 when the Sahagin Priest is shot and killed, he takes over the body of another LIVING Sahagin. Thus being not only the first time a non-Ascian has ridden someone's body, but also the third time a living body is possessed, and the first proof of what Lahabrea said when you fought him riding Thancred (That killing him would kill Thancred, we skipped that step by using the Light to expunge him from Thancred first). In the 2.X series, while explaining what the White Auracite does in a handy slideshow, they show that black crystal is what holds the Ascian's Soul when it's indanger and ready to escape, the White Auracite can block it by sucking up the Ascian's soul and hold them still long enough for a Blade of Light to destroy their soul. Then in 2.5, The shoe drops when Midgarsormr, flat out tells us "You're not special, you're merely gifted that power that isn't yours."
In 3.0, we see that Ysayle has a Crystal of Light (an Ice aspected one, go figure). It shatters when she uses it to save us from the imperial dreadnaught's cannonfire. In 3.x, We meet Krile, who we take to Matoya to use her Crystal Eye, which is explained as a Crystal of Light from ages past, and how Crystals of Light from prior eras are stronger than those of this era, namely ours. This is the first non-beast person we meet who has a crystal of Light, and no Echo, and from her conversation can assume other people before her had said crystal but recall that the Echo typically happens more often before a great calamity on the source, so there are high chances of more non-echo having people holding the crystal.
In 4.0, while we do see him in the back rooms of the Scions before way back to 2.0, Arenvald is revealed to be another Echo having individual, a Walker of the Twelve, who has not a single crystal to his name.
This is a lot of info simply to remind you that "Not all crystals of Light are held by a person with the Echo, and not all people with the Echo have a crystal of Light." And we've known about this for quite some time. I'm not saying that you should know this, I'm saying it's internal consistency, and just more examples of them reminding you important information before it becomes MORE important. Example, We're shown everyone getting Echo from the Starshower, the game draws attention to it, they postulate, and then Elidibus tells them new information, that makes the prior info we had more important. Namely that "Blessing" that we thought was being hand delivered and chosen? No, that's Hydaelyn repeating the same call for help since time immemorial. At the start with 2.0, we're effectively shown to be a chosen one of many (There were many people seen in the same cutscene where we first meet Hydaelyn.) Midgarsromr flat out tells us This doesn't make you special, everything you have done can be attributed to the fact you were picked. And now come 5.2, we're flat out told we're not even Chosen, we were a part of a handful of people who awoke to the gift at once because Hydaelyn plucks a star from the sky or conjures the illusion when she needs minions. Heck, how many people do you think saw Bahamut's Exaflares during the Seventh Umbral Calamity and awoke because the chunks of Dalamud and his Exaflares looked enough like meteors to awaken them? And how far does that go? Can we gather enough parties with Casters in them to cast Starstorm (the LB that drops little meteors in a wide area) in the same area that it could awaken someone who had the potential?
after Emet, Elidibus felt a bit pale imo (character & voice acting), though the plot build up is kind of interesting
Also, they bring this up often, but the Knights Twelve were not primals. Thordan was Primal'esque, not the Knights Twelve, they were Dragon Blood infused.
It’s a pretty dated reference, but when I was going through this I imagined Venat being the “heart of Hydaelyn” being similar to Karan S’Jet becoming the mothership in Homeworld. Karan is kind of still a person, but also a computer, and as the mothership her desires don’t matter because she has to protect the survivors of Karak
"The crystal's growing underneath that robe," also he's happy to see you
15:47 I think you guys kinda eluded to cottoning onto this some, but the dark crystal Lahabrea had on Thancred in ARR that shattered was not how Thancred got possessed. It really was just Lahabrea's escape plan only.
The First is way too imbalanced in its aether to summon typical primals. If you remember, you generally needed aspected crystals in abundance to concentate enough aether to summon a primal. The only crystals on the source are that of the flood of light… and noone worships the god-forsaken light so primals have not been a thing… mostly… until Eden. Vauthry is probably the closest thing.
5.2 was a Savage patch, so most were busy for a while on that (Eden Shiva Savage was one of the the hardest savage released yet at the time). And there was also the ultimate TEA that came out in 5.1. I know I did take a break towards the end of 5.2, cause it was still a 6 months wait cause of Covid. I think you'll notice the quality in cutscene will be different in 5.3.
I do think the reason people dont hype up 5.2 so much is because of how closely tied to 5.3 it is, so its just viewed as a piece of the same whole.
At least for those who didnt have to wait.
On the subject of Elidibus’s action when compared to his claim that he has the role of keeping the balance, I present 2 questions.
#1 In a world where there is a warrior of light going around bodying all of the big bad evil guys, what does keeping balance entail?
#2 Since Elidibus is an agent of Zodiark, what does balance mean to Zodiark?
You could say "Golden showers"….but I wont.
Technically speaking since Elidibus is in Ardbert's body he's using Ardbert's larynx, so doing Ardbert's voice should be easy. Convincingly reproducing his own voice using someone else's voicebox and vocal cords is impressive on its own, though, yes (although there may be some Ascian Magic going on there that they've developed over the millennia to let them Be Themselves more while riding someone else's body, who knows).
Fun fact, when 5.3 came out I started looking at the furniture previews of what came out in the patch and they had accidentally put a huge spoiler in the item descriptions. I ended up mentioning it on the forum and it was gone less than two weeks later. I’ll not mention the item but they did change the description to avoid future spoilers.
Spoilers for endwalker:
I love how the concern of why the meeting in AA is recorded kinda makes sense retroactively now.
Did alot of housing stuff in the down time and speculation
5.3 is the BEST. I can’t wait.
That's a….a long time for Answers indeed
You want to know what we were doing during this patch? Not being ready, because 5.0 was peak video games, then 5.3, then 6.0
It will get better than you can possibly imagine
You are not ready, as we were not.
For my own part, during the long wait between 5.2 and 5.3, I branched out. This was the period where I levelled up most of my alt jobs and got them geared up, did some tribal questlines, maxed out my gatherers via Ishgardian Restoration/new Diadem (crafters followed later in September), dabbled a little in EX content (Ruby EX was highly approachable), did some Ocean Fishing, and did a little bit of stuff in Bozja but mostly bounced off it.
Between those things and dealing with the initial COVID problems, it didn't actually feel like THAT long of a wait. Long, sure, but not crazy long. 3.5-4 months was normal back then, 5.3 was only delayed 2-2.5 months.
Also, in case you read this Garrett, Bozja is indeed pronounced "bohz-yah." It's inspired by Slavic countries/languages, that's why the j sounds like a y.
Fortunately FFVII Remake launched in between 5.2 and 5.3, so that helped a lot.
Uff, that closing comment, a long time for answers, IF YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW
One relief is that we got FF7 remake in April '20 so helped some with the wait.
When this patch came out live, about a month or two after the release we all got the message that the Square Enix offices had to shut down due to Covid. To say the community was shook was an understatement. But we had hope and faith that Yoshi P would deliver. So in the mean time the Theory crafting heavy aspect of the community legitly poured through all the previous things trying to make sense of all that came before. How was our knowledge challenged. What was making sense and what was being offered up as a Mystery. Heck at that point many of my friends and I rolled second characters and re-leveled from Scratch because there was no real New Game + at the time to go back and reabsorb old content knowledge.
To answer the question of what I was doing during this time of the patch, one of the first things I did was look up "Venat" because I could not remember if I had heard that name before and I did ARR's MSQ at its launch cycle, so it had been years. If anyone is curious, back then, the entry for the name was basically what we got for this patch at the time, so it was pretty limited.
As for the rest, regarding the MSQ, me and my friends were making some speculations and trying to piece together some rumors based on the next expansion. Some of that discussion was correct and leads itself to spoilers. Fun stuff
for those of us who were playing 5.2 when it first came out we were pretty much doing what the two of you were doing in this video: speculating what everything meant, theorising and predicting what would come next, and waiting anxiously for the next plot beat.
Elder primal is a good term, I personally default to “proto primal” considering all the ascian manipulation from ARR and so forth.