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How the souls worked for voidsent was that they would eat a soul and those souls would combine with their own, and what would happen is that they would essentially have multiple personalities. The more souls that were consumed, the more personalities are added, and the voidsent would become an amalgamation of all of those souls. Seeing as it was part of the plot to have the voidsent rejoin the aetherial sea for endwalker, i assume all of those souls would rejoin the cycle of reincarnation.
Theoretically, it means that the souls for the residents of solution nine act the same. When someone dies, a new soul combines with yours to heal your body. This is what happened with zaraal ja, he combined with so many souls that he became an amalgamation like a voidsent. Im assuming that when zaraal ja died all those souls combined with him rejoined the cycle of rebirth together.
The main problem is, that we dont know what the cleansing process does to the soul. It purifies the soul of its memories, and we dont know what that might do to the reincarnation process. Solution nines technology is faulty, as we found out with the new raid that combining with a beast soul destroys or corrodes the human soul so the human eventually dies. We dont know if tampering with souls will effect the reincarnation process. For all we know the souls will be unable to rejoin the aetherial sea, they might even be rejected because they were tampered with.
The Alexandrians could have just farmed babies for souls. Factory farm style cloning and harvesting facilities should be within their capabilities, given what's shown.
Somehow, Palpatine has returned.
You have to pay a $14.99 cloud monthly subscription. And if you die your soul empty but u have a Copy Cloud Soul of yourself in the servers that recharge you.
On the point of people still feeling something is missing after memories are taken, dynamis is still a force in the universe separate from Aether. Souls are products of aether. Unless they plan to change it so dynamis accounts for the memories portion of the soul, dynamis would be a force these people are unaware of and therefore this emotional energy would still be present to affect people
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I think that'sa reference to the power of Dynamis
There really is no ambiguity, the mechanics were explained really well. Regulators are plus one life, preventing death by accidents. If you die of natural causes your soul gets recycled and your memories are cleansed from everyone wearing regulators. They use these memories to form your Endless in Living Memory. The Endless need other Souls to maintain them which is why Sphene wanted to commit genocide and Solution 9 has a soul problem now. This is why the "simulacra" from the Arcadian and the Endless are in essence are alive even though they are dead, they are using souls to maintain their form even though they are technically dead. Cachia and the Arcadian Lalafel were coping when they said they aren't really alive cause they are both maintained by souls, you essentially killed them when you shut down Living Memory and every fight in the Arcadian you release 7 souls per battle. Based on what we know from previous expansions, none of the Solution 9 residents are entering the lifestream when they die, the regulator prevents that.
What they will go into with the patch content is probably Solution 9's "energy crisis " now that they can't get more souls. But judging how the rest of the scions disrespected the Alexandrian culture in Dawntrail I'm guessing they are gonna use their newfound influence with Wuk Lamat and Gulool Ja and try to enforce the, death is natural no more rezzing mandate.
The kid that is sick, maybe the re-incarnated souls are not whole resulting in individuals becoming sick as they grow up.
unrelated but most Living Memory has a real sky with real weather. Meaning the preservation was keeping them in the bubble so long that the calamity passed. Makes me wonder if their shard had recovered over some time. I wonder if the world is rebuilding on their shard and they didn't even know it because they were hiding in their bubble the whole time.
… you already know… that the expansion is BAD…
Why do you even ASK???
Stop it. Stop torturing yourself. Get some help.
I already thought that solution 9 js very to something we encountered and yet not allagan, then after a lv100 dungeon, I firmly believe they are evolved from a group or equivalent of Rokans.
a soul is three parts in the game. the core, memory and aether energy. The core is is what is important and makes azem the wol special for example. The voidsent work like majinn buu or fusion from dragon ball z. They merge with the souls they consume and the traits of the eaten manifest in a new combined being.
The dollhouse theory of how regulators work is disgusting.
you do become "more powerful" in that you only do it when you're literally dead first… you're switching from dead to 100 instead of 100 to 200…
i think you get a new soul. it is explained in the msq that their soul harvesting machine separates soul from memory and krile points out its just like the Aetherial Sea. so to me this means these are fresh souls with no memory. your regulator when you die takes your memory and puts it in a new soul without memories and it is you being alive again. as graha explain at the end of endwalker people inherit the souls of others but live decidedly different lives. meaning who you are is not in your soul. this is why the Ascians use memory crystals to awaken the souls of their brothers. not full memories but enough to make them understand who they were and what they must do. this explains a lot from the past games. your soul is life and strength, any soul works but some are stronger, the memories are your history and knowledge. while your body is a limiting factor. a body needs to learn to use skills, even if the soul is strong its limited by the body hence when we are in the other body and weak, we still know who we are, have the same soul but cant use our old skills. and zenos can use the skill at the end of that part as its the power of a voidsent that made a pact with his soul. not body or memory.
I understand it as: you die, parts of your soul are damaged. You use a blank soul to fill in or fix the damaged parts. Maybe some of the blank soul goes to waste. Zoruul ja gained power both because he consumed many, many souls, but also because he was not injured. Instead of filling in the gaps in his soul, it just got built up.
One wrench I want to throw into the gears is: If old peoples souls cannot be replenished, how can they use old peoples souls to replenish others? It sounds like there shouldn't be enough juice if this is how it works.
Origenics doesn't clean souls better than the aetherial sea. That is why regulators are needed. Basically, once you use a soul for it's life force the "juiced" soul is still inside you and could influence your personality. Like if you had a juiced soul of Hermes inside you, you might develop depression. The regulators stamp your memories and personality on top of the squished mess inside you. And at your death, your soul goes into the regulator for processing and all the souls you used return to the aetherial sea and go through the normal cycle of rebirth. What they are doing is delaying a person's reincarnation, not preventing it, as "you" are stuck in some rando who fell down the stairs once for the rest of his life.
Unless more information is added I don't think they are doing anything immoral, just distasteful. And as long as it's voluntary and they aren't stealing people's souls, I don't think it's our business to force our ways on them. They might make it harmful in some way to give us any easy out on enforcing our beliefs onto them, but so far, while using feral souls are harmful, there haven't been any stated downsides to using soul cells, the biggest issue with the regulators was the memory wipes and that stopped happening when the gate on the 11th floor closed.
I'm curious what Emet would have thought/thinks of what they were doing with souls since he was/is in charge of the aetherial sea?
My theory is that the person using the Regulator, when they die come back as copy of the person. Not the original person, because the soul is clean of everything and the memories are put onto the new soul. Making it look like the original person is still alive.
Man.. the more I go over the writing in this expansion… someone said “what in the LA writer’s strike level kind of writing is this” and I’m starting to see it.
People don't die because they ran out of life force. They die from organ failure. If you repair the organ, you can save the person. In FF, this would be healing. We have healing spells and even spells for removing poison, disease, and other conditions. We also have spells that resurrect people. When someone is revived with the regulator, it makes the sound of the Raise spell and shows the same visual effect. So does the Raise spell exist in-world or not? If it does, we should have been able to save Garool JaJa and horchefaunt. Do healing spells work at all? I can be healed from taking a laser to the face from Alexander, but we can't heal a single stab wound? If the regulators spend a soul to save a lost life, then how can you get a soul from a corpse with enough life force in it to save a life? If Sphene had been in desperate need of life energy and souls for so long, then why was the Arcadia ever allowed? If everyone knows that your memories of a loved one will disappear when they die, how come more people don't take them off before the person dies? And even if the memories are lost, does no one write anything down? Make voice or video recordings of them? Solution 9 has TVs, so we know video recording is a thing. At every turn and from every angle it is obvious the writers did not think any of this through.
I think Its like when our soul was being destroyed by light and ardbert joining with us fixed it. Then maybe if you die all the souls just go back to the sea. 4:17
so, i'm going to use a smart phone as an analogy here, to try and explain how this works (also how ascian "possesion" works)
a person is made up of three sets of aether, physical (a phone's handset), memory (a SD or memory card) and life force (battery). in normal life, a person gets injured and dies. the handset breaks, the whole thing is thrown away, memory card and battery as well, then the aetherial sea "recycles" the memory card and battery for repair and reuse.
in the tower's processing, they take the memory and life force, ,the card and battery, seperate them and the memory is saved, the battery is reused. the regulators store and manage the memory and can hold battery's. when the handset is damaged, it can restore memory from backup, and provide power from a stored battery, and i assume due to healing magics can repair the handset's damage.
at a "natural" death, the handset is worn out beyond repair, so the memory is backed up, the remaining battery is re-stored in the regulator and then once taken and processed, the memory is sent to "the cloud" and the battery is reused in a new soul cell.
the difference when voidsent eat someone is they're consuming and absorbing all three parts, the physical aether is the same as normal food, the life force is just "power", the problem is with the memory aether, which as it isnt seperated from the rest can mingle or even overpower whats already there.
Ascian possession is more like plugging in a new memory card with its own operating system that overwrites the handset, but uses the physical and life-force present still.
thats my take on it, based on the stuff we learned in Endwalker about memory aether, how Zero described what happens to the voidsent when they eat eachother and what ascians have said about taking bodies.
Well, you DO gain power from replenishing your life force in that way, you go from literally dead to being alive again. Dying is -1 life force, regulation is +1 life force. You can overclock it for extrra life force, that's what the raid guys do and that guy in that one dungeon, for example. Or the hunter in that one MSQ.
The souls being consumed here are unique aswell, they are stripped of memory and consciousness, completely. There's a facility that does this before the soul is put in the regulator, the second to last dungeon, Origenics. So regulator souls are just life energy, completely clean. Origenics seems to be much more efficient and effective at this than the aethereal sea.
Beast souls are from beasts, so the color or shape of the soul is not human, so if you use them you gain beastlike strength and too many of them you might turn into a beastlike creature. Beast souls are not exactly compatible with humans, so you might end up permanently corrupted or have your life force diminished after using them.
I think the process of regulation does have some healing effects, physically. Like it repairs the body enough to function if it's been damaged by external force. But if your body is just too frail from old age it won't work, you can't heal old age. Also, it's doesn't apply any cleansing, antidote or cure for sickness, so if you were killed by sickness and ressed with that same body I mean, you'd just die again right? The sickness itself needs to be removed and regulators can't do that.
And yeah, if your quick enough with the 'sucky gun' you get souls out of the dead body before they leave. Souls seem to stick around with the body for a few moments before returning to the aethereal sea, we've seen this a lot already.
I'm not sure about the red orb, memories specifically seem to be color coded as gold, not red…and 'clean' souls are color coded as white, not blue. The gun took a blue and red orb, so idk wtf that red orb was. A mystery!
Probably yes, souls are cleansed of scars I think. Scars are left by memories after all, so no memories, no 'scars?' Therefore, no echo. There's not enough information on this yet, but potentially regulators CAN apply echo and we just haven't seen it yet. Depends on whether or not these scars are removed in the Origenics process.
I suppose there might be something else intrinsic to the soul aside from memory/consciousness, but I think that's just speculation at this stage.
Something to do with Dynamis, perhaps? We know souls are made of aether, but noone really knows much about or gone into much detail of Dynamis' effect on the soul. I mean, we can channel Dynamis, so there has to be something there, right? Maybe that has something to do with the red orb?
The souls are "cleaned" way way way before reaching the regulator. Remember the soul factory dungeon? If you read the computers' message they explained there how they prepare these souls to get rid of any "impurity". The memory that came with the soul are removed and "uploaded to the cloud for backup" so to speak and what you get is a pure soul cell with nothing but soul energy.
I mean…they really messed up the writing on this expansion… they probably retcon lots of stuff from now on.
Here's my theory, remember Oregenics is base on the research of Preservation on the Holy Grail(artifact key)? What if that Holy Grail is an Artificial Azem crystals that can call on souls same as us we can call other WoL? Which gives it and us the power to manipulate souls?
I wanted to, thank you for talking to NPCs between quests, not just the person with the marker. Thank you for discussing and questioning stuff. Thank you for thinking about how people actually live in the world. So many people just skip through stuff, and I thought i was going insane for taking it slow and considering what we are being presented with, as well as always talking to all the NPCs.