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Timestamps:
0:00 Parsing in FFXIV is worse than you think
0:29 My own experience with toxicity
2:21 GEAR MAKES PARSING INVALID
3:58 GREED IS NOT ALWAYS BAD
6:03 Parse Padding in the Past
7:30 False positives and the real problem of it
8:03 Raid DPS
8:30 Why this is busted
9:29 HEALING PARSES ARE A JOKE
10:30 Healer Responsibilities Ahoy
11:57 COHEALER PAIN
14:42 Why this makes healer parses stupid
16:30 Why this hurts other healers
If you’re doing well, having fun and enjoying yourself that’s awesome! But as soon as you start to dump on others, spread toxicity, ridicule and bring others down or use it as a ladder to stomp down others that’s when it becomes a problem. And sadly lately, especially in some spheres and with some people, it’s really become quite vulgar or repulsive even.
To be clear I have no horse in this race, I already have my own static of like minded people that I genuinely love to be around and I’d count all of them as friends! But in terms of parsing toxicity there are a ton of examples I could list but one that shocked me was that I have my boyfriend cohealing with me in my static and then people saying horrific things like they play white mage so they have no brain because screw playing something you just enjoy cause we can’t have that or that because he isn’t parsing orange he will never make it in dragonsong’s reprise or ridiculing this or that. Which is baseline stupid for obvious reasons. But is additionally morel stupid than even that because I am literally close friends to actually a bunch people who have cleared the epic of alexander ultimate that cleared over 5 times with grey parses. But criticizing healers during progression, not farm, progression, for parse numbers is stupid but I’ll save that discussion for later in this video. But you can always tell who has never actually fresh progged as a healer based on how bad their take is.
Parsing in FFXIV is actually significantly worse in a lot of ways than what the community has been speaking about. To be clear I’m not interested in rehashing what others have said because I both agree and sometimes even disagree with some points.
One thing I agree with that isn’t spoken about enough is a lot of the amazing parses you see online is purely because of gear because someone got best in slot early on and the fflogs formula doesn’t discern between item levels. If you have best in slot gear it’s a tremendously large advantage over most casual players raiding say 6 hours a week. People comparing these numbers unironically just come off as uninformed or intentionally biased– usually to their own advantage since they benefited from this skewed structure.
As an example of what I disagree with, being greedy with melee GCD is not risky when you’re extremely comfortable with the job and what looks risky to someone outside of your static is actually extremely standard practice in your group. Ask most statics with a black mage all about it. And my static I’ve made for dragonsong’s reprise ultimate has two extremely bleedingly edge talented melee and a black mage but what you see might make an everyday PF group crit their pants. So you can be greedy and it be fine, but the question is are you being greedy and actually have the neural prerequisite to execute it, and if you cannot then you’re honestly griefing a group that isn’t practicing optimization runs which is always sad to see. Recently a member of my static was helping a clear for one for ucob where a party member of theirs wiped the group from greeting close to the end. That is one instance of it being pretty sad.
Another thing is that parse runs do exist and that’s something I think is great, if people genuinely enjoy that I say why not? In specifically labelled parse run groups everyone has the same goal and you know you’re going to be wiping as people perfect and fine tune and do those exaggerated strategies and the party will wall if something small goes wrong. That’s fine!
But enough of that, I want to first age myself from zoomer all the way to boomer and talk about parsing in the great old days of my time and I was a contributor to such degeneracy cause in addition to Scholar I was obsessed with Nocturnal Astrologian until square enix decided to haul it to the guillotine and make me sad.
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This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things 2 – Electric Boogaloo!
Do your best and if you want to use it to see if you can improve and how go ahead
I enjoyed raiding totally…but, being bragged about being better dps than you is insulting. I can’t blame him, considering I’m a console player and casual gamer, doing my daily toxicity in real life.
I get the I have no brain all the time cause RDM is my favorite.
All I can say is PREACH o/
I just hate the gatekeeping associated with parsing. I play on console and have no way to get logs. Most statics have asked me for logs to join statics for savage and ultimate. Issue is I have no way of getting logs. Finally found a static but it disbanded within 2 weeks. Now I have to go back to the hell and find a static that doesn’t ask for logs. It’s just feels bad being gatekeep due to a third party tool that isn’t suppose to be in the game.
For the past ten years played from ps3 to ps5 cleared almost all content, besides ultimate not time never even look at fflogs as long as we can clear and farm I never cared for it but I know why people use it. For people optimizing fine but I seen people shitting on other people from one of my old fc about their parse and it was a learning party for an ultimate raid.
Dont know about healing savage but I know that cooperation and communication is key anyway so… yeah, if people think its a good idea to dress other people down because of their parse… yeah… no, thanks.
I just learned what parsing is like a couple days ago I think. I think it's pretty silly ngl
Hm… I guess you could say that I love parses, but not parsing. The data you get and can work towards improvement is what I like. Healing is a weird game. It’s so hard, until you group is skilled and suddenly healing is braindead. You really have to pay your dues on the way up. I’ve had so many bad healers apply to my static, it’s crazy.
But really, as a raid leader on AST that has to call things out like, “you, to go 2 you have the 6” while trying to fit 4 cards and two minor arcanas in a burst window while also doing all the mechanics… I don’t care I got a blue parse. The amount of things I do that aren’t healing is just ridiculous.
When I did endsinger we kept hitting enrage and I kept apologizing for not dpsing more due to the gcd healing I was doing. When I checked my log, turns out I was a blue parse :/ it’s crazy that I felt like I was doing terribly when I was really better than mediocre!
Parses help, but parsing should be its own activity. You just need the parses to help improvement. Fflogs is just an incredible tool.
Between this and the cheaters in PVP, how much longer until SE straight bans all third-party anything.
I'm so glad that people are voicing this side of things. Because of what I do for work, I can't get into high end content as much as I'd like; so I really don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak. I have been a Dragoon since the dark days of 1.0, and it seems like people are dumping on Dragoon now that Reaper is out. And y'know what, I don't care. I absolutely love the way the job plays, the aesthetic of the job, everything about the Dragoon. Personally, I've never understood the need for speed runs, or "big number damage/meta jobs," and stuff like that, not saying it's "not the right way to play", I just don't get it. If you clear the content, you clear the content. And at the end of the day, fflogs is a 3rd party tool. I'm actually very glad that Yoshi-P is adamant that the team will never implement a built in "dps meter" as it will inevitably lead to bullying/exclusion from content, which has kind of already happened with tools like fflogs/ACT. There's even tools out there that dumb down a fight to the point it does callouts and even basically do your rotation for you…..do people not enjoy actually putting time in to learning a fight, or learning their Job? I'd honestly like to challenge ANY of the people playing the PC version of the game that are "self-proclaimed top tier/rush for world's first players" that have mods out the wazoo to play the console version, or strip all the mods to the base version of the game….you learn in a hurry what to look out for in any of the fights. I guess there's always going to be people who play that way, I just personally don't get it.
You know the people talking about gray ultimate parses or healer parses are the people who's main experience for raiding is watching other people's streams
Still thinking about thst drg that griefed the Icob C41
Thank you for making a video on this and spreading some positivity. I'm not new to the game but new to the end-game raiding scene, and I've already encountered multiple back-handed remarks in party finders and even in discord servers for what I play/just me in general. I know the community overall is fantastic, and it's fine to be competitive and getting upset is normal, but taking those frustrations out on others and ridiculing them for any possible thing is just downright disgusting.
When I heal the only thing I use parsing for is to try to figure out where I made mistakes. This is a game and I want to have fun and part of that for me is trying to improve at what I do but it's never something that should be used to treat someone poorly. And the few times we had really shit people they would leave blaming us before we would even consider saying anything.
Im currently on phase 2 of DSRU , the dps like to bash one another in pm on disc about their deeps but it never gets out of hands. Usually in this game when healers need to spend more time healing than necessary , impacting their dps , it means someone took a hit they werent meant to. We fix that not the dps
Cole everything aside, I am genuinely happy for you and your boyfriend. Hope your marriage goes really well and your marriage life an everlasting peace and bliss. You and your boyfriend deserve it.
Imo you can either clear or you can’t. I really dislike the elitism that comes with parsing and tbh it keeps me away from some of the higher difficulties which really sucks. I parse but purely for my own purposes, testing purposes while seeing how I can get better. Once it comes down to a dick measuring contest it is meaningless because if you can’t clear then you can usually tell why without it, and if you can clear then people get toxic. FFXIV is known for having a great community but while that is true there is a seedy underbelly of elitists concerned not with what they bring to a team and having fun but rather with making their fake leaderboard scores look good.
Honestly, I can't stand this mindset min-maxers have. All I see is it leads to playing like a robot where numbers mean more than fun.
The difference between good parses and average ones are very small in terms of actual DPS. Item level will be the bulk of that difference. Since we have to factor in, these parses are for content clear, and people who clear savage, tend to be good players already, so its not a skill-factor that's lacking. If iLvl is the same, the difference can be attributed to doing some mechanics better to greed an extra GCD per fight etc.
As a healer/tank main, I know I'd be quite picky who I would partner with in ffxiv. I know when I healed in WoW, I hard judged my co-healers. Healer parces for prog should only be judged on 1.) did you deal damage, 2) how was your mana management, 3) did you use your party buffs and 4) was the fight finished or did you see more of the fight because of your effort.
I was first introduced to savage and parsing at the same time for cloud of darkness Eden. It’s honestly really effected my confidence in the game and it feels like just clearing isn’t good enough and like each wipe is my fault unless I’m parsing at least a blue. I feel like crap when I see I’m parsing grey in Act when just progging and even for reclears. I actually just moved to console to stop thinking about it and because controller I find is a whole lot more comfortable. I’m going to attempt to clear this savage tier as PLD once I finish leveling up to 90 with just the focused mindset of learning and getting down the fight since everytime I play DRG now, all I think about is my damage when I’m doing any content as a dps. I really want to eventually clear an ultimate eventually but I want to at least have fun doing it with individuals who are like minded and just want to clear and focus on optimization of damage later
Can agree with gear also being a huge factor in parses. I started doing savage around 4 weeks ago on my WAR (and it is my first savage tier too) and I was parsing greys and greens as I had mostly 580 pieces and some 590s.
Now I have mostly 600 pieces and was lucky to get my P4S weapon on my first clear and what do you know, started parsing blues at least.
Lol your co healer situation reminds me of two things. Back in my WoW days I refused to second tank progression for anyone other tank since I would be in a seperate chat talking to him. Later I dragged my hubby into being a healer when I tanked and vice versa for the same reason…. solid communication.
Played this game since ARR. Had a blast doing content with my FC we were pretty casual. Learned about parsing in Heavensward. Nothing afterwards was the same i couldnt even chill in a casual dungeon while drinking, I had to perform. Wasnt very critical of other players but was so hard on myself I sucked the fun out of the game for me.
Unfortunately, this is just how it is. I enjoyed FFXIV a lot in part because of the community and how friendly and decent people were. This is mostly true and more true than other MMO's, but the sad fact is the higher you go up in content or competition the more this type of behavior increases in frequency. In the end, if you had fun and did your job that should be the only requirement, but we all know its not.
If I even get a hint someone is parsing I report them
You were wrong on only 1 point…this video DID go past 2,000 views. It's currently at 2547 the day of release. Thank you for a great video – again.
Just gonna say it's been good in the last few days to see people with a voice starting to raise up against parsebros. They make savage and statics off-putting to a lot of people who don't raid.
Didn't mishapen chair just make a video very eerily similar to this one?
The ranking/leaderboard system of fflogs is the cancer growing in our community. One question matters and always has – did the boss die?
People are to weak and soft in these days… Just asking someone to learn a rotation gets anger from some people. I love ff14 but the people kinda became to Drama queen type for me.