This isn't a question or even up for debate, it's in the ToS. No third party addons allowed. Now granted, Yoshi P chose a hands off approach. Don't blatantly cheat or harass people and you're fine. Instead the endgame raiding community has proven to take a mile when given an inch and has abused this hands off approach time and time again recently.
Agree 100 percent. Mods ruined warcraft – they basically play the game instead of the player, telling you where to stand, what to do and what attacks are coming up. People are zoomed so far out they dont even see the graphics anymore, its like looking at a spreadsheet. They moved from being helpful tools into being, effectively, cheat mode.
No. Easy answer. Addons became such a cancer to WoW that they actually have to design raids around them.
This was about using unsanctioned add-ons to gain an advantage (specifically the zoom add-ons that let them see the arena more clearly). It's no different than using wall hacks to see things you're not supposed to see in an FPS game.
You know what the rules are going in, and the fight was already cleared in-house so you can't make the argument that add-ons are necessary. This is about gaining an advantage in a world first race. They deserve what they got.
there is 1 major reason and the only real reason why you DONT NEED DBM in FF14 – as someone who played both savage (3 runs of UwU no clears) and mythic – FF14 is god damn patterns. If you cant follow a pattern maybe raiding isnt for you because the only reason DBM exists in wow is because of RANDOM TIMERS and WINDOWS not PATTERNS. Overlap can happen in wow, it will NEVER happen in ff14. You will NEVER experience, Dodge + soak + interupt + taunt swap + raidwide AOE AT RANDOM. it will always be at the exact same time in FF14, in wow it can happen at one of 4-5 different times depending on what classes and kits you have available to you, not to mention missing a kick isnt a full death, you can keep going but the whole dynamic of the fight changes at that point when you miss a mechanic. In FF14 its just flavor. The only things that cross kits are red mage and sage (Arguably summoner with heal and rez but a druid tank has a battle rez and so does a warlock, Brez is just a staple that you want on multiple classes for the casuals who dont play based on compositions and play what they like) Im an ex top 50 raider so i can feel your point about people at the top only wanting to win. Youre not wrong, but the FF14 raiding crowd needs to realize that a pattern is easily learnable and yoshi-p is right, its just a skill issue.
I've said it elsewhere and will say it here to. Some sports events are rigged, we know this. Some sports try their best to be as pure as possible, ie the Olympics. Others don't care and are seen as a joke; ie Soccer. So the raid community has to start policing their own to keep an Olympic like aura or the Ultimates will just the the Soccer event of the year for ffxiv players.
I'm an ESO player and I never played WoW. On PC ESO isn't much better because of the same reason. Add-ons ruin enjoyment for the casual player I'm glad Yoshi-P said no. I really think the high-end raiders need to back off. You guys actually get a lot of content all things considered. Just because you are better at the game than most of us does not mean the devs should cater to you. I think the experience of the majority is more important.
Xenos should just play WoW iif he wants them. You don't need add-ons to play FFXIV. Dude is high as a kite. Allowing add-ons just invites bad actors in the game and community.
Two points: Mods been legal means more control of SE over they, like in wow, blizzard can decide what are in their game and what they don't want. Second point most of the features that SE is implementing were mods before (type of damage, and buff timers in party list are good examples), people think that mods play the game for you, but its not true, most of them are QoL changes that take years to SE implement in the game
I raided normal for the first time without DBM and weakauras in DF and its funny af how people can't even explain mechanics. Most just say: "use weakaura xy" or "listen to DBM". For mechanics like: – debuff goes left + debuff goes right.
If Xeno wants to play a game with all mods firing? He can play Warcraft. He wants mods so he can do what all the other mod-using cheaters do. Which is all of the accolades, but little of the work. There are many reasons why WoW went down the toilet and mods is one of those reasons. I use Gshades, but that's it. Every raid I've done, every trial, every dungeon? I might be a blonde, but I don't need Artificial Intelligence LOL
Here's a deal: everyone can have their mods, and, in exchange, I don't want to hear ANY more of the incessant crybabying about tanks not pulling wall-to-wall, healers not doing enough dps, etc. Bet they won't honor their end.
When I saw that Xeno video a few days ago, I left a comment making the same points about where this has taken Blizzard as this video does. The game has gotten to be unplayable. You even see it reflected in the Classic community. Back in the day, players could experiment with hybrid and meme specs because the group could afford to carry a few duds and still be successful. Nowadays, killing a boss isn't good enough for many players. They have to clear a raid that used to take four hours back in the day in under an hour now. Back in 2004 every guild had that one autist who had min-maxed his builds, collected all his world buffs, and farmed out a full set of consumables to bring to the raid. The few players who were running a DPS meter addon noticed that he was topping the charts, and he was celebrated as a star. Nowadays, that star player's actions are considered the baseline for everyone who wants to raid.
These days, in addition to this preparation that used to be considered above and beyond, many WoW players also run simulators every time they acquire a new piece of gear to determine whether or not they should even equip it. They install an addon called Weakauras that solves many of the puzzles that a given fight presents and boils them down to simple instructions like, "The safe zone is now highlighted for you. Stand in it for four seconds."
Anyone not running this addon is at a huge disadvantage because the puzzles have gotten more and more intricate in an attempt to render Weakauras inconsistent. Ironically, mechanics on raids like Molten Core were easily handled without addons via instructions like, "stack on the marker and only attack the marked add." Weakauras effectively renders a hugely complicated game back down to its simple origins, and as Yoshi-P said, this begs the question as to why they should even bother making hard content when players obviously prefer it simple. The fact is that these "hardcore" cheaters just want mechanics to be hard so they can feel good about themselves for completing content that regular people aren't even going to bother with. The fact that they cheated their way to a win doesn't seem to enter their minds. To the contrary, they will argue that "This is just the way the game is played now." I just don't buy it.
Discovering things on your own in games is getting harder and harder to do. Especially with online games; People expecting you to know all of the stuff on your first play through. I've been playing a lot of single player games lately and have to force myself not to look up a guide no matter how frustrated I get. To try and figure this stuff out on my own and exercise my mind. I've gotten so accustomed to getting a little stuck and then just looking up the answers. And I agree with your take on WoW. Thats why I don't go back.
At first i was thinking that surely a few mods would not hurt but after Glavian mentioned the arms race of mods, i realized that it would only be a few mods, but then abother 2…to another 3 until we would have the situation that many other commentators have said here, is that you would then have a list of 40 mods that you would need, in order to be able to even try out the trials without getting kicked in the first 5 mins!
Out of everything, Xeno wants to have cheating legalized instead of staying Illegal. But so far, YoshiP has kept his foot down on No Third Party Tools. Cactpot (FFXIV's DBM Equivalent) is so dog shit. >.>;
I didn't even knew there was a DBM Equivalent until Streamers said, "Cactpot" I hate DBM, and why would I want something similar in FFXIV?
as a filthy casual as well, i will admit that the only mod(s) i would ever use (though i will never because i’m on ps5), is graphical mods. sure, i would highly indulge myself in more saturated colors, deeper shadowing. make the already more vibrant world of etheirys even more vibrant. enrich my immersion. 🤷🏻♂️
Third part mods being allowed would also shatter the player base in Ff14. Driving an even bigger wedge between pc and console players than already exists.
Hi Glavian, your videos are the only ones I watch fully, you really have an incredible skill when it comes to using metaphors to get your point across. In top of that I always agree with you. I pleasure to see you back
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This isn't a question or even up for debate, it's in the ToS. No third party addons allowed. Now granted, Yoshi P chose a hands off approach. Don't blatantly cheat or harass people and you're fine. Instead the endgame raiding community has proven to take a mile when given an inch and has abused this hands off approach time and time again recently.
Agree 100 percent. Mods ruined warcraft – they basically play the game instead of the player, telling you where to stand, what to do and what attacks are coming up. People are zoomed so far out they dont even see the graphics anymore, its like looking at a spreadsheet. They moved from being helpful tools into being, effectively, cheat mode.
No. Easy answer. Addons became such a cancer to WoW that they actually have to design raids around them.
This was about using unsanctioned add-ons to gain an advantage (specifically the zoom add-ons that let them see the arena more clearly). It's no different than using wall hacks to see things you're not supposed to see in an FPS game.
You know what the rules are going in, and the fight was already cleared in-house so you can't make the argument that add-ons are necessary. This is about gaining an advantage in a world first race. They deserve what they got.
No mods plz. Go play wow or some other game if you need mods. Keep FFXIV clean from that crap. I also agree with the analogy. And everything else.
there is 1 major reason and the only real reason why you DONT NEED DBM in FF14 – as someone who played both savage (3 runs of UwU no clears) and mythic – FF14 is god damn patterns. If you cant follow a pattern maybe raiding isnt for you because the only reason DBM exists in wow is because of RANDOM TIMERS and WINDOWS not PATTERNS. Overlap can happen in wow, it will NEVER happen in ff14. You will NEVER experience, Dodge + soak + interupt + taunt swap + raidwide AOE AT RANDOM. it will always be at the exact same time in FF14, in wow it can happen at one of 4-5 different times depending on what classes and kits you have available to you, not to mention missing a kick isnt a full death, you can keep going but the whole dynamic of the fight changes at that point when you miss a mechanic. In FF14 its just flavor. The only things that cross kits are red mage and sage (Arguably summoner with heal and rez but a druid tank has a battle rez and so does a warlock, Brez is just a staple that you want on multiple classes for the casuals who dont play based on compositions and play what they like) Im an ex top 50 raider so i can feel your point about people at the top only wanting to win. Youre not wrong, but the FF14 raiding crowd needs to realize that a pattern is easily learnable and yoshi-p is right, its just a skill issue.
I've said it elsewhere and will say it here to. Some sports events are rigged, we know this. Some sports try their best to be as pure as possible, ie the Olympics. Others don't care and are seen as a joke; ie Soccer. So the raid community has to start policing their own to keep an Olympic like aura or the Ultimates will just the the Soccer event of the year for ffxiv players.
I'm an ESO player and I never played WoW. On PC ESO isn't much better because of the same reason. Add-ons ruin enjoyment for the casual player I'm glad Yoshi-P said no. I really think the high-end raiders need to back off. You guys actually get a lot of content all things considered. Just because you are better at the game than most of us does not mean the devs should cater to you. I think the experience of the majority is more important.
Xenos should just play WoW iif he wants them. You don't need add-ons to play FFXIV. Dude is high as a kite.
Allowing add-ons just invites bad actors in the game and community.
Two points: Mods been legal means more control of SE over they, like in wow, blizzard can decide what are in their game and what they don't want. Second point most of the features that SE is implementing were mods before (type of damage, and buff timers in party list are good examples), people think that mods play the game for you, but its not true, most of them are QoL changes that take years to SE implement in the game
I raided normal for the first time without DBM and weakauras in DF and its funny af how people can't even explain mechanics. Most just say: "use weakaura xy" or "listen to DBM". For mechanics like: – debuff goes left + debuff goes right.
If Xeno wants to play a game with all mods firing? He can play Warcraft. He wants mods so he can do what all the other mod-using cheaters do. Which is all of the accolades, but little of the work. There are many reasons why WoW went down the toilet and mods is one of those reasons. I use Gshades, but that's it. Every raid I've done, every trial, every dungeon? I might be a blonde, but I don't need Artificial Intelligence LOL
Here's a deal: everyone can have their mods, and, in exchange, I don't want to hear ANY more of the incessant crybabying about tanks not pulling wall-to-wall, healers not doing enough dps, etc. Bet they won't honor their end.
No mods r cheats
When I saw that Xeno video a few days ago, I left a comment making the same points about where this has taken Blizzard as this video does. The game has gotten to be unplayable. You even see it reflected in the Classic community. Back in the day, players could experiment with hybrid and meme specs because the group could afford to carry a few duds and still be successful. Nowadays, killing a boss isn't good enough for many players. They have to clear a raid that used to take four hours back in the day in under an hour now. Back in 2004 every guild had that one autist who had min-maxed his builds, collected all his world buffs, and farmed out a full set of consumables to bring to the raid. The few players who were running a DPS meter addon noticed that he was topping the charts, and he was celebrated as a star. Nowadays, that star player's actions are considered the baseline for everyone who wants to raid.
These days, in addition to this preparation that used to be considered above and beyond, many WoW players also run simulators every time they acquire a new piece of gear to determine whether or not they should even equip it. They install an addon called Weakauras that solves many of the puzzles that a given fight presents and boils them down to simple instructions like, "The safe zone is now highlighted for you. Stand in it for four seconds."
Anyone not running this addon is at a huge disadvantage because the puzzles have gotten more and more intricate in an attempt to render Weakauras inconsistent. Ironically, mechanics on raids like Molten Core were easily handled without addons via instructions like, "stack on the marker and only attack the marked add." Weakauras effectively renders a hugely complicated game back down to its simple origins, and as Yoshi-P said, this begs the question as to why they should even bother making hard content when players obviously prefer it simple. The fact is that these "hardcore" cheaters just want mechanics to be hard so they can feel good about themselves for completing content that regular people aren't even going to bother with. The fact that they cheated their way to a win doesn't seem to enter their minds. To the contrary, they will argue that "This is just the way the game is played now." I just don't buy it.
Some things are perhaps best left underground…
Discovering things on your own in games is getting harder and harder to do. Especially with online games; People expecting you to know all of the stuff on your first play through. I've been playing a lot of single player games lately and have to force myself not to look up a guide no matter how frustrated I get. To try and figure this stuff out on my own and exercise my mind. I've gotten so accustomed to getting a little stuck and then just looking up the answers. And I agree with your take on WoW. Thats why I don't go back.
At first i was thinking that surely a few mods would not hurt but after Glavian mentioned the arms race of mods, i realized that it would only be a few mods, but then abother 2…to another 3 until we would have the situation that many other commentators have said here, is that you would then have a list of 40 mods that you would need, in order to be able to even try out the trials without getting kicked in the first 5 mins!
Out of everything, Xeno wants to have cheating legalized instead of staying Illegal. But so far, YoshiP has kept his foot down on No Third Party Tools. Cactpot (FFXIV's DBM Equivalent) is so dog shit. >.>;
I didn't even knew there was a DBM Equivalent until Streamers said, "Cactpot" I hate DBM, and why would I want something similar in FFXIV?
High lvl FFXIV raid ppl: Whine, nothing is difficult enough in this game.
High lvl difficult content is released.
High lvl FFXIV raid ppl: Whine, they won't let me cheat.
as a filthy casual as well, i will admit that the only mod(s) i would ever use (though i will never because i’m on ps5), is graphical mods.
sure, i would highly indulge myself in more saturated colors, deeper shadowing. make the already more vibrant world of etheirys even more vibrant. enrich my immersion. 🤷🏻♂️
If its in the TOS ( which it is) don't do it. Oh you don't like it? Get banned or move elsewhere.
Third part mods being allowed would also shatter the player base in Ff14. Driving an even bigger wedge between pc and console players than already exists.
Hi Glavian, your videos are the only ones I watch fully, you really have an incredible skill when it comes to using metaphors to get your point across. In top of that I always agree with you. I pleasure to see you back