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I'm in DSR p5 now with my static and I don't think we will be using AM for p6 (I hope so), I'm really interested in that marking macro 👀
Edit: ok nvm I didn't knew that by default /mk attack asigned a not already asigned number!
Also about why people use AM: I'm not sure I agree with the argument that people use it because some mechanics lack visual clarity or because they "require it"; people have been using AM before DSR for UWU gaols, which have a very obvious visual tell (you just need to adjust quickly) – people use AM because its easier than having personal responsibility and/or using marking macros and because they can. The p9s LC clip from Frosty also proving my point.
Even if some mechanics had more visual clarity and/or were better designed, that alone won't make people stop using AM entirely, specially not now that it has become so prevalent in ultimate pf.
Maybe give signs a cool down.
Scanning your harddrive is in general illegal! And its good! Imagine every company on the planet ist allowed to hurt your privacy and scan your PC. Thats only allowed for Google and Apple 😂
If these cheaters ruin our ERP addons then I'm going to be pissed.
Tea and ucob are a good example of an ultimate that doesn’t require AM to pf, i would say dsr too but pf uses it on wroth flames even though the mechanic is brain dead
this is an interesting convo for me to see! I'm on aether midgardsormr and i pf'd pretty regularly during the last ew savage tier at least (not ults, so i understand my take is not an exactly perfect experience), and automarkers weren't common over here! or, at the very least, they weren't when i was raiding. so i feel like an outsider looking in fr!
On the one hand, I can see why people are on the fence about this, considering that Savage and Ultimates were made without the aid of outside tools… well, outside of having a shot caller in VC or not I guess.
On the other hand, I would rather not have another repeat of FF11's Absolute Virtue fiasco…
AM is typically used in ultimate PF because of some inherent flaw in certain ultimate mechanics.
In UwU it's used for Titan's Gaols mechanic because you only have around 2-3 seconds after the knockback to spread out the Gaols in a line. It's very difficult to do this consistently without voice callouts or some sort of priority system, but because PF is always different players, making a consistent priority system would make the prog needlessly more complicated. This can be resolved with a macro, though, so AM isn't necessary. SE could have given each player a different debuff to show where they should stand. Or alternatively, they could have slowed down the Gaol detonation by around 2 more seconds to allow people another chance to adjust if they happened to move to the same spot.
In DSR it's used after Wroth Flames because 4 players are given responsibility to create enumeration stacks, but there is no rhyme or reason as to which player should stack with which enumeration. To fix this, SE should have designed the mechanic with two different enumeration markers and give them to each of the 4 players. The issue would be resolved from there. This can be resolved with a macro too, though.
For TOP, Sigma and Omega could have been better designed to visually identify which location each played goes to. Look at Delta for example. It is objectively the hardest of the 3 mechanics, but it is 100% the best designed. You absolutely do not need AM for Delta because every role is perfectly visually represented. They absolutely failed to capture this level of mechanical design for Sigma and Omega.
Ultimately, I place the entire blame on SE for not taking the time to consider that the needs of PF differ from the needs of a static. They should do better, in my opinion.
I feel like the only mechanic in the game that actually requires AM for PF is TOP P5 3rd trio, because the priority system has too many layers to it, you could solve the problem by having 2 people doing the marking but that's far from ideal on PF. Mechs like LC shown in the video and UWU AM is kinda pointless.
At the end of the day, whatever it is called and whatever is argued about Auto Markers. It is against the TOS, and everything was designed to be cleared on a console that has no addons of any kind. What does this mean? It means you DO NOT need any addon or other tools to complete any of the fights. People who argue that "oh it will kill the pf raiding scene" are imo, with respect. Really stupid.
I've 10 TOP clears without AM. And I simply enjoy TOP more with AM. Hate on it, but it not only opens up the mmo part of the game. Cuz genuinely fk being stuck with 7ppl for months or be forced into voice on every PF clear. It is simply more enjoyable to me and triggerwarning, I couldn't care less if ppl use it even in p3 or on parts where it's "not needed". I rather look at big button than small button, you still have to know where to go eitherway
…………I thought of locking Signs during combat in ultimate, but I also agree that cause the mechanics are randomized onto people, that would cause a problem. So the only solution I can think of is to remove the signs ONLY in ultimate, to prevent AMs. Extreme, Savage, the signs will be there and just test the waters to see what happens, to gather data.
I don't think the anti cheat being illegal in Japan is real, cause if it is, games like Elden Ring or Armored Core 6 would more than likely not be able to sell or release, or more recently, Helldivers 2. All of which are playable and accessible in JP. Whoever saying that is capping rn since there are games from Japan that do utilize anti cheats and are still operational and there for you to download. Plus, it's not illegal if you agree to it
drama DRAINED
i mean am was never needed for pf, people are just lazy/impatient.
The first top pf clear on light (wich was week 4 after release) didnt had use it. Theres no way you actualy need am for woth in dsr, wroth just requres you to hit 1 macro and titan gaols can just be done with softprio.
If I'm honest, the only mech I understand with AM on is Gaols because for some reason every mech in UWU is fast=hard and that's true for gaols, adjusting at that speed is rough but I'd happily do the marker strat because that's what we went to do, we just had people press it when they didn't need to or not press it which is what made my group decide to use AM, I'd have been find carrying on manual marking.
From then they stuck to using it into TOP and I think at most that just cut out prog time but I'd have been fine doing all these without AM
PF relying on AM is just cringe. When I was doing DSR with my old static we just ran a self-marking macro for Wroth and it was completely fine, no more difficult than AM. But when I went into PF I had to use AM because good luck ever forming a non-AM party – people will just whine and moan that a mechanic is "impossible" without it in PF. Same with UWU – Gaols are not difficult to do without AM. One time I joined a party in which everyone thought someone else brought AM and we ended up without it not even knowing until we saw Gaols and we still did them correctly even when lack of AM caught us off-guard. Idk how much of a help AM is in TOP as I haven't done much in TOP.
Nothing will happen, Yoshi P will not ruin the fun of anyone that uses a harmless mod such as cosmetics. Some people think they will do a full ban or scan of mods, but they wont and cant. Also Ultimates wont stop to be produced either, those "forbidden" ways of clearing ultimates have been there since Stormblood. At best they implement a light version of anti cheat and filter out specific addons, but even that is a big if.
The problem with AM is that it's a slippery slope. Asmon said it best: "Anything that increases your awareness outside the game is cheating". Not only that but where does it stop? So people use AM, think of that what you will, but what's next to be the standard? Addons that tell you where to stand at any given time and show you the safeszones? Autorotation? God knows how often that is used by people, there is much worse stuff out there than AM, but you can see my point. I am not saying that this is the road it will lead down to, but merely a warning. Because this is also what happened to WoW at some point. I also think it promotes bad habits and players reaction skill might be suffering from that. Now do I mind only AM being in the game? No, but I would rather not have it. I guess the TOP situation seems to be explaining quite well that it's both a game difficulty aspect, as well as making it more accessible for pf overall. But with that I refer to the starting sentence of my post. It's an interesting topic for sure.
How to remove AM. Do what SE did with waymarks, just make it impossible to mark enemies/allies during combat.
Im PlayStation player, I started to use AM because PF are used to it.
But to be honest, I dont mind more, because I prefer kill the fight faster than wipe forever because people failing something simples like p3 transition or monitors…
World racers sometimes have team of 12 people helping them with calls, solve mechanics and marking people on game.
But we on pf have to play perfectly, 3 wipes people leave after waiting to fill 5 hours, full of random, sometimes people have low experience with their class, no bis, no pot, no food, inconsistent, our only one “advantage “ (not only pf, Statics too) is AM.
I invite all World Racers prog FRU on PlayStation before talking shits about pf.
is using simulator to train part of an ultimate cheating too ?
I'm struggling to see why people are wanting hard content only to use external apps to make the hard content easier. It's like playing on Dante Must Die mode but you have cheat codes enabled. What's the point in wanting hard content like Ultimates if you're just going to use apps to make the fight easier? I can certainly see why some people would say they'll just stop making Utlimates. From a developer standpoint, why bother going through the painstaking work of making Ultimates, knowing good well it's possible to do without help, only to find that the majority of the community doing Ultimates are using addons to make the fight easier. From a player standpoint, using an addon seems stupid because you're not really pushing yourself. Learn the fight. Die a million times until the mechanics are engraved into your brain, then beat the fight flawlessly after going through the fire. It doesn't seem like a challenge to me if you're just using a tool to tell you where to move. I do suppose the easy solution is to make it so that Markers can't be placed during combat. My opinion is you shouldn't be using tools to make Ultimate fights easier.
All this AM drama, i just find it funny because the fire starter don't even reclear ultimates in PF, also he was not marking manually on his own clears but someone else. It's like a you do you thing, i understand that the use of AM now is more and more ridiculous like P7S, P9S, P12S, UCOB, TEA and etc but what can i do? LMAO
Oh and for me a group that do manual mark but if it's always the same one person do it, and the rest of the group not doing it, then the 7 people are indifferent from AM user because they don't understand how it works and just do it after the 1 person do the markings. Unless they make everyone do manual mark every pulls.
they banned the entire Worlf First TOP team and 3 of them were on console. SE doesnt care if you cheated by proxy. They just go scorched earth.