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I just hope its not joke weapons
The relic is never an upgrade, even for a casual player an EX weapon will be better, and when it is an upgrade it is super late into the xpac when it is basically useless. They are not mandatory. Also if you can't be asked to do hildi (that doesn't take a lot of time if you are skipping like 2-4 hours max, about the same as ivalice), you won't survive the relic grind. People are complaining about content that they don't HAVE to do, and if you actually WANT to do it, you won't mind skipping through hildi because you're just looking to grind anyways.
Hildibrand was torture for me. I have no desire to ever do any of it again. I liked Ivalice. It's a matter of taste I suppose.
I am of the opinion that absolutely everyone who hasn't played Hildibrand should be gatekept from relics on the basis that they lack a soul.
I’ll be honest, the first relic I ever did, Anima, was the one I hated the least, I’d rather have another relic like those tbh. Having to grind your way through Eureka and Bozja sucked, but for Anima, you didn’t need to do any form of Leveling. No Elemental Level or Resistance Rank. Just pure farming for items that you can just grind out without having to wait for NMs or Fates/CEs
i think for me, the issue isnt that the quest is hildebrand. SB killed my love of Hildebrand, there were parts that were suppoed to be funny. I just found them offensive. But that isnt an issue for me in finishing the hildebrand questline. However, my biggest issue is that you spend hours and hours of grinding with no knowledge of what the final weapon looks. I really dont think joke weapons can look good. They are just goofy. Which has its place, but i dont think its in a relic weapon which takes hours of grinding to create. That said if it was one of the earlier forms then fine, but i do think SQEX need to make clear whether the weapons are going to be Joke in the final form or not.
24:24 the issue for me personally is, yes Hildabrand is quick and easy, but it’s just boring, even to skip through. It just seems like a waste of time doing nothing, and I hated Eureka and Bozja, but there were at least a few fun elements, like the Red Chocobo CE XD I’ll still do the quests but the motivation to do so is less than zero. A game is supposed to be fun, after all!
While I personally do not think it matters too much, there is a reasonable argument that ideally you should not be forced into a comedy.
Humor is like fear: it affects everyone differently, and you should be able to opt out, or choose to go into comedy when you're in the mood, not due to a prerequisite.
Standup comedy would be less fun if the audience was forced to be there…
They're constantly going back and making old content mandatory. Like making Crystal Tower mandatory. I'm pretty sure making the ARR hard mode primals mandatory was added later. I don't remember being required to do those initially. It looks like they're about to make the Mhach raids mandatory for some new content coming out.
Hell, if the option for getting an ARR relic was doing that entire grind as usual, or just doing the ARR Hildy quests, I would gladly do the ARR Hildy quests over and over and over and over.
I love that they're tying Relics to Hildi. As a PvEr I've never grinded and gotten any Relics other than purchasing them in the AH. This is a nice change. But make no mistake — Getting through the ENTIRE Hildi storyline in order to land a Relic through it will not be an easy task for those who have never partaken in the pleasure.
I think for me the hildibrand Comedy was a little too Childish and a bit cheesy for my taste… Unfortunately I went through it for the barding
Honestly I felt they should of just had Godbert make a guess appearance and that would have been enough for the Q line
I dont care what is it locked behind, I just hope we get better weapons than in ShB and SB as I found the last stage quite disappointing for most of them. Not helped by the fact that Eureka and Bozja grind make me want to gouge my eyes out, I'd rather farm ARR weapons again rather than set foot back there.
Maybe they will use the "fun" weapon designs from last year contest ?
OMG I hope you are right and the weapons are hildy themed. Godbets hammer maybe for WAR, Mama Mandervile's Skillet for DRK, also maybe some Gilgamesh and Yojimbo as well. That would be wonderfull.
I am not sure why people are so annoyed by this, EVERY Relic is behind some sort of content gate. Especially for what is Essentially a glam weapon, this is one of the simpler gates. I remember the original ARR relics, before they fixed them, and having to spend nearly a yea collecting damn stones. Also dooing Eureka post surge was painful as almost no one was in it and it took forever. So give the casuals their due and let them have this. After Eureka and Bozja, I would welcome a bit of a simpler Relic line. And Hildy, even if you don't like it is not hard at all to do before the relic launches and skip the scenes if you don't like them, You'll pick up some emotes, bardings, and minions along the way if you like.
I just look at it now as ppl are just lazy and making excuses.
Wholly unpopular opinion: Relic weapons only represent your willingness to endure the most boring content in FFXIV: fate grinds. In comparison, Hildebrand quest locks are nothing. What bums me out is that this "optional" content is highly likely to gate content I do like – dungeons and raids.
I don't understand why this is even an issue. If you don't like the Hildy quests, just skip past them. It'll probably take you about an hour 1/2 to skip all the cutscenes. This is a huge non issue
I think why it's rubbing ppl the wrong way is because the DEVS should know that Hildebrand is a very 50/50 reaction with the community.
They know that ppl either love it or really hate/are annoyed by it and they still used this as a basis.
It's not that Hildebrand is in the Game it's the annoyance that they COULD have just rolled the dice and made a new storyline and tried to make something fresh that alot of ppl would've enjoyed. But they decided to take something that ppl are repulsed by but we're ok with because they could ignore it and bypass it. Now it's being shoved In their face as more less mandatory.
So it comes off as an active choice to cram stuff down your throat that ppl really really hate that humor. It would be better to put a new story that is crap but at least you can claim you tried and thought it was good.
Sure why not I don’t mind. Literally every piece of content is locked behind something, that being MSQ
I mean why not? I really don’t see the necessity of controversy here. I don’t care for hildibrand but I still managed to get through the content BEFORE it was known to be part of the next relic quest.
Personally, I HATE hildibrand. It’s awful. My wife, however, absolutely adores it.
Ps: I think Quina actually had a lot of purpose. He was just simple in the head
This controversy is so alien to me. Skip it if you don't like it. Being tied to Hildibrand doesn't mean relics will be joke weapons. SE is not dumb, they're not gonna make Endwalker relics look like Mog weapons 2.0…
Well the relics aren’t Part of the Story as an MSQ.. Its all optional
Guess I'll be viewed as the "negative " opinion. No I dont like having to do Hildy quest and Relics locked behind cutscenes with little to no real combat playable content. I wanted something new and more content, Hildy seperate from relic content. It seems kinda lazy cut content or rushed to get relics out asap rather then creating something new. Like I get it FFXIV is a big game theres a lot to do but they've done it before and could do it again with time managment. I dont think people are getting how two seperate contents got meshed together to one. I liked Eureka Bozja because I've done ARR and HW relics which were basically repeated dungeons, all of them times 3, and material hoarding. Eureka and bozja was a new zone. All of them required fate grinding. Funny how EW will probably not have Fate grinding much less in SB, ShB EW that you could Fate Share grind or Gemstones. It seems all the Relics are F stuck in old content someway or another and instead of reviving and filling SB ShB zones, dungeons they rather keep it dead and not reusable
If you skip the cutscenes, you will get through the entire questline within a single day. Every other relic requires FAR more investment, one way or the other.
Literally no one cares if you like it or not. Just stop being lazy and finish the Hildi quest. ⭕ > Skip Cut Scene > Done.
I came in real quick to say; Yes, it's actually super funny to me that its linked to the funny haha quest line and you have to have a good time to get going with the relic quests. Personally I would go the extra mile and say link it to the island stuff too so I can grind for it while doing the real actual end game content. UwU
unpopular opinion but i didnt like the hildi quest line
Honestly, if they couldn't "afford" much dev to having the Hildebrand quest its own thing this time (especially since they are trying to update older dungeons and add more for solo players with Duty Support), I'm fine with them doing it with Relics, in the past we kind of got a Hildebrand Quest on the same patches as Relic weapons so it makes sense to lump them together in this case.
I didn't really get into/enjoy Hildebrand until after the end of the Greg Arc (being a sprout with so much to do and see in ARR ) but I thoroughly enjoyed it onward. Besides, after the effort to get to Bozja I think this is loads better =)
Locking a useful weapon behind a quest series that is meant to be enjoyed by players at their own pace is a stupid move as now players will be forced to choose between either enjoying the content or rushing through it so they keep up with other players.
I'm one of those that does the Hildi quests as soon as they come out so … not lengthy unlock for me. One thing I've learnt is that the developers like to tie in that random side quest you thought nothing about into major content down the road. So I make sure to do all the quests – just in case
If they're going to make it Hildi required, I think it would have been a better idea to just make it the EW portion of Hildi. Instead of requiring all of Hildi back to ARR just let players start Hildi up in EW as essentially a new quest chain. Just up a warning before you start the quest that says "Hey, this is the continuation of a previous quest series that it looks like you haven't done, do you still want to proceed?"
If they can lock the relic weapons in Bozja hidden behind 3 large raids then putting them behind the silly Hildebrand side quests is perfectly fine.
They are not HILDEBRAND weapons they are MANDERVILLE. We don't know what they're going to look like yet. Also it's blue because there are TRIALS there's at least 4 different trials attached to it!!
I finished all the Hildebrand quest all the way up to 6.1 I am more than ready to go get that relic weapon for sage
It would be nice for me, I do not run dungeons or trials.
half of these complaints sound entitled💀
Player: I'm bored! There's nothing to do in this game anymore!
Everyone: Go do the Hildibrand quests. They have some dry humor, but overall above average.
Player: NO!
Same people. I hope they add 10 more Hildibrand storylines before the next expansion and make the relic hide behind those just because of this minority of minority pushback. I'm in a pretty large FC and not one is complaining.
No
I'm not a fan of locking content behind another content, it makes grinding for for relic weapon less desirable. Heavenward just required you to finish MSQ, don't know why we have to slog through tons of content just to unlock relic weapon.
Why not? They have locked stuff behind other content many tines already. People just mad cause it's Hildy… is any of that content difficult?
Without sounding too mean, bluntly put, there's a couple comments read off that are full of it. 1. Hildanrand does not take a week. I recently ran though the entire thing, arr to endwalker, on an alt in less than 4hrs. Skipping cutscenes and unsyncying the few fights makes it laughably short. If people were watching each cutscene if course it would be longer, but that's their choice. 2. Every relic in the last 2 expansions had relics locked behind something. This is by far the easiest and fastest way to unlock a relic in the past 6 years. I'm well aware of "comedy is subjective", but the only basis people could honestly complain about is the "well I don't like this content/" basis, and for that, join the crowed. I dint want to do the alliance raids for the shadowbringers relics. That doesn't make them being locked behind there bad. It's a purely subjective piece that has no reason to be brought up in a "is this ok" conversation. This has been one of the most hilariously sad "controversies" in 14. Hildanrand is easily done, and if you can't even stomach hitting the "skip cutscene" button, you probably wouldn't have stood much of a chance at the grind that comes with every relic weapon.
"Should new relics be locked behind hildi?"
Yes. Every relic is locked behind SOMETHING. Stop fucking whining over nothing.
I find the hildebrand stuff boring. But I did it a few hours skipping all the cs again. Unsyncing the trials. I just hope you don’t have to spend mgp to upgrade them. That would require doing more than just fashion report at the saucer. As long as the areas we get for the relics are fun. I enjoyed eureka and bozja so hope endwalker zones improve further.
Oh no…content