Square Enix cracks down, streamers go to gaol, and Final Fantasy XIV’s Race to World First ruined. MMO’s are pushing back against add-ons. Links Below.
0:00 – Mods on Trial
2:31 – What’s Going On
13:53 – FFXIV Past Statements
20:35 – What’s happening in WarCraft
27:12 – What Do We Want
#GrindingGear #FFXIV
Attributions and Links:
Regarding Third-party Tools – https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547
Live Letter Translation by Blluist – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU
Final Fantasy XIV’s Tweet – https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1523635936642224128?s=20&t=KDbt6BRqhHvZ5BVWjyL_1g
Asmongold’s Interview with Ion Hazzikostas – https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1469302943?t=05h38m29s
Method World First Jailer – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVXwHoh_3c&ab_channel=Method)
Liquid World First Anduin – https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=86&v=6ZRMSS6SF3w&feature=youtu.be
Liquid Mythic Jailer – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFJxWUXwdZM
WoW Epic GM – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVW3zunjlzI
Final Fantasy XIV – World First Complication – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDWYUl0SKw
FFXIV Bots – https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/upec8p/a_gm_could_just_sit_in_the_airship_landing_in/
Twitter Memes – https://twitter.com/MysteriousRyan/status/1523815892425089027?s=20&t=ToY-K71LKGDBG-lt8UVs-A
Streamer Hunting Posts – https://twitter.com/ArtharsFF14/status/1524171988314787840?s=20&t=1-YL0Bhu7zB8VbZW7Cz4KQ
Livestream Fails – FFXIV Raider Gets Banned – https://livestreamfails.com/clip/137215
Player asks GM about visual addon – https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956322733598343300/974381663708672101/unknown.png
FFXIV GM Jail – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-TsKzZOh4
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I’m only 2 minutes in but the Gaius speech gag had me rolling
Yo, watch and react to xenosys’s recent video. His issues with the dev’s actions are my issues too. It isn’t about add-on this, UI that. Or even about the rampant bottling/map hacking that goes on here just like in GW2 (I read about yesterday) or WoW. The issues I switch the usual Japanese developer (or any corporate entity) flip-flopping, double standards, and throwing under the bus, and gaslighting hypocrisy, laced with pure mockery towards their own community type of bullshit I can’t stand anymore.
I’ll resub when they acknowledge that they at the very least have a real issue with everything that goes wrong inside and other external influences on their game. If their choice is to ignore it, then be transparent and tell us it’s unprofitable for the company to combat and address this problem. Don’t put up smokescreens and sidestep this issue.
That intro is so hilarious.
The entire "Is this allowed? What about this one, how about that one?" is exactly why the policy is no third party add-ons. The second they say "Well this one specifically is ok" they will get bombarded by requests and it will never end.
I'd rather they apply the ToS consistently rather than leave it ambiguous. If someone gets reported for mods, it's clear they're running mods from their stream, and they investigate and say "No punishment" then it's not going to really be any different than the above, where people will start bombarding them with requests if this or that addon is ok then.
I do think however they should also use the info about what types of addons people use to look at their own UI and reflect on what features could maybe be added which it does seem like they are starting to do now.
Very well rounded discussion. I am a console player, and feel it more a point of accomplishment when I learn and overcome something on my own. Some things would definitely be nice to have as mods sometimes (like the check mark system) but ultimately I think you guys have the right balance of it; nothing that impacts gameplay and nothing that creates an exclusionary environment. Cosmetics are just that, and while some may go way too far, others are perfectly harmless.
I used to play with a group that asked me to install a third party add on to track my DPS and help notify me when mechanics were happening because it took me longer to learn mechanics. Gotta say it significantly made my game play experience worse. I don’t play with those folks anymore and just enjoy figuring out stuff on my own at my own speed without add ones. I’m not an end game raider so it’s probably a different experience but I definitely like playing the new content and just dying to mechanics and figuring out what to do.
This will never affect me because I don’t stream FFXIV and never will. I’m going to keep using the UI mods and I’ll never be caught because I don’t talk about it in game.
The big thing about add-ons in FFXIV is the copyright law in Japan. Square Enix is a Japanese compagny and in Japan, the law about copyright is more severe than any other country. That law specifie that you can't modifie the sofware of a game, if you do that, you can go in jail in Japan. So using add-ons is modifying the software of FFXIV and can be sentence to jail. Since Square Enix can't see whats on your computer, they said just don't use them, but if the japanese players sees NA players using them, they will be angry because for them, that can be sentence to jail. That's why the adds-on is a big controversy.
you can follow a bit of you damage you can see it on your party list that there is an A = Tank and then 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 so you can see on your stand point how good you are as a DPS. The Damage meter is in my personal a pinon only good for DPS players but still look at your party list so you can see a bit how you stand with your DPS, with those numbers
GShade is something I use and love. No advantages, but in practice it simply lets me take better advantage of my GPU to improve the fidelity of the game, not much more than being able to play the game at a higher resolution, FPS, and with more AA than another machine to make things look better. It does look like in the future they are finally working on adding better shaders, textures, and lighting to the game, but that's not going for a while.
I haven't heard of anybody specifically getting suspended just for GShade, and I'd be interested if that were actually the case. There's a large community of FF players that like to share pictures of their characters, and they use GShade filters to get the best possible look. It'd be kicking a huge hornet's nest of some of their most dedicated players and create a witch hunt for these people, and I don't see Yoshi P wanting to do that. I feel that the specific listing of "priority" mods they're targeting excludes stuff like GShade on purpose.
Why is it so important to know where you stand damage wise???? Listen, you must have a gut feeling in any boss fight by now weather you are doing good or bad job. And, if you are looking to improve your game, look up guides, get inspired, educate yourself, as you should. Numbers doesn't county in Final Fantasy 14, only effort. It's forcing you to do your best and to trust in the fact that you are doing your best. This is the glue of the Final Fantasy 14 cummunity. They know everyone is putting in their best effort evertime because they don't have that number to chase, and when you know everyone is putting in their best effort them so do you . What good would that number be if you can't compare it to a top players DPS number?
Yeah, I've only seen the 2 bans too, despite the braying about 5ch and mass reporting. To my knowledge, they do actually have a real person review every report and decide whether or not to ban someone, they don't appear to use an automated 'you got x reports against you, goodbye' ban system. Imo, Yoshi-P was pretty clear about what's actually going to get you banned versus what they'll continue to "not prioritize". You had the four things they're looking for posted up on the video, and I think we can all understand if not exactly, then at least closely, what actions will actually get you banned, and it's not gshade or chat bubbles.
I think 99.9% of the content in the game doesn't need a damage meter. I do think blind prog of the hardest savage and ultimates do, because the damage checks are rough and not having any practical way to gauge how well different strategies are working as a team would be extremely, extremely difficult – DSR was already 800+ pulls and nearly two weeks of prog even using these tools. I can only imagine how frustrating it would be to just keep losing to enrage and not having a way to pinpoint what could be further optimized.
But those uses exist within a static, and would never fall into harassment, and I don't think a hardcore raider like Yoshi P has much of an expectation that such things aren't being used. He's just been adamant that you don't advertise it, and it's mind-blowing to me that it's been so difficult for some players to uphold that simple request.
Can anybody say streisand effect?
The game has some pretty hard DPS checks but no way to accurately show how much damage you’re actually doing
Who exactly has been banned for a using a mod that was later implemented?
Also, everyone says "I want a DPS meter just to measure my own dps" and….okay, sure, but what is that meter being pitted against? You need the dps of your party to make those umbers mean anything, and so we're right back to where we began with the potential to use it for harassment, no matter how that information gets presented.
It all comes down to not showing. The post literally tells you how to get away with add ons. They can't detect your personal PC. Keep it to yourself and your inner circle. Don't stream it since you are advertising a different experience of the game not everyone can get. You can get even chat bubble, every shader, every booby mod on this earth. Just don't post pictures or videos in a public form of it to link to your character in anyway.
I've never played high level content in any MMO before, so in my experience, I've only seen the positive aspects of addons.
I like the policy that is currently in place in FFXIV right now as has always had. For those who don't want or can't use addons, they don't have to know what they're missing out on. And for those like me, whose are very picky with UX and UI, we can enjoy a game that we otherwise may not have.
I'm a developer collaborator for a FFXIV plugin that is under the MIT licence which is open source but also leaves it open to be used in a commercial product, like the base game if SE wanted to use the code. And I hope they do.
To be honest, and even though I get it is a bad thing and why it is, the fact that "programmers cleared the boss" kinda amazes me, as a computer science nerd. But like Depeche Mode one said in a song, "mods are very unnecessary, they can only do harm."
I think they have checked the reports manually
But what are they gonna do if they dont suspend the guy people will be like “Oh so it’s fine right?”
I don't watch your FF content a whole lot. I feel like after the initial exodus from WoW to FF, I learned about all the ways in which FF is better than WoW and from then on I just keep hearing different creators say the same stuff. I don't need to hear it 10 times so I just don't listen. Similarly, I dislike stuff that had deliberate anti-WoW bias (like Kyle lol).
The FF content that I like is stuff like this, when there are real design choices in each game that both have massive pros and cons to them, where neither design is objectively better. I'd love to watch more stuff like this!
Just started, intro has me laughing too. Great content. Looking forward to this.
the ppl who got ban had steamed the addon it literally breaking the rule of use but don't tell as u are showing them to the world double the fact they have ACT not quality of life
With the accessibility mods, highlight success stories (where the mod has helped players with a disability better play the game) is kinda needed as we all know the high level of "the mods exist" but there's nothing connecting the dots, as a story relating how the accessibility mod positively impacted a player is a powerful statement to the devs on why they should add the mod to FFXIV's base UI. Unfortunately, I know of no such stories =(
They do, in fact, review the reports and cases. There are different severities of strikes, etc., and as you said, they don't really want to get into it.
The problem is when addons go from being a personal addition to a mandatory in order to raid. Even to the point I had to keep up a fake mod that would trick the tattle tell addons.
Cough, DBM, Cough.
the only addon i've ever used is to give male viera the ability to wear hats, and that one doesn't even work anymore because the latest patch broke it
Been playing FFXIV since 2014, started on PS4 and only switched to PC shortly before Endwalker (still play on controller though). Have to say that the only mod I really wanted in-game was a proper DPS meter. I want to know how well I am performing because I want to be able to optimize and tighten my rotations. I've since just gotten used to not knowing because I don't want to go through the hassle of installing one since I don't play nearly as much now as I used to. There technically is some kind of dps meter already in the game and that's the emnity bar next to your class and name on the player list. It always amazes me when my undergeared bard or other dps has the highest emntiy of all the dps when no one has died yet and makes me wonder how much the others really are contributing.