We’ve finally come to the point where we have enough lore on Ancient culture to make multiple videos outlining themselves and their beliefs! The fall of the Ancients and why is well documented at this point, but the nuances of their culture are often glossed over. Today we’ll be fixing that as we focus on the Ancients themselves and what their society was truly like.
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The Ancients look upon your glam and find you wanting.
We don't even know what they called themselves. Which might inply that they saw themselves as the only 'people' on the star. And as far as we know, they might have been.
I wonder if they could have plucked a soul from the underworld and put it in an arcane entity?
Honestly I am a bit sad that we are most likely not going to learn anything more about the Ancients. I think the idea of them is really cool and seeing what the world and people were like before the sundering is really neat.
I'm so excited to hear you'll be covering different facets of the Ancients. This was a neat lore video, thank you!
7:15 I was under the impression that the ability to discern the colors of souls was extremely rare. That Hades and Hythlodaeus are the only two ancients we know of who have the ability
Maybe I need some clarification. So their creations didn't have souls but their offspring could? Unfortunately, I doubt we'll get any additional information on this but this does confuse me a little bit. I only ask because it seemed Hermes some concepts as though they did have souls but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
I know we're very unlikely to learn anything more about the Ancients, but I do so love hearing about them. Thanks for putting up this video, Scribe!
I wish they would make a kelpie mount sigh
I'm curious if you're going by Pre-endwalker lore with the Echo wouldn't all ancients have the echo or wouldn't the echo awoken in all ancient's post final days right when zodark was made? (Partly spell his name wrong but whatever)
Transformation magic is extremely fascinating. Makes me wonder how the 7th Astral might use it. I.E. Summoner
I didn't realize until your framing at the beginning that Etheirys may have been on the edge of falling like the other civilizations that Meteion and her sisters came across. Without strife, disease, etc, I have a feeling the world would have either ended like the Nibirun world, or similar to how the Allagans fell.
I hope that if we get more info about the Ancients, we get to know of other notable people beyond the Convocation of Fourteen, Hytlodaeus and Venat(+her followers who have become the Twelve).
I mean, it would be very easy to make any Scenario involving them in some shape or form, including perhaps contact with other, perhaps younger civilizations within it(yes I'm thinking of Solution 9, but it doesn't have to be this specific city, it could be any other)? After all, the seat of Azem in the Convocation is literally based on that aspect, especially when to the average non-ancient, they would be a God descended to the world below.
That said, I kind of want to see how Alien civilizations from other Planets saw the Ancients.
Also, TRAVANCHET IS ONE OF YOUR SCRIBES? I would be scared if I had to teach this guy of all people about the most Ancient of all Ancient races.
"that this behaviour isn't anything new". Well ofc not. It's something ancient instead.
Good Video i look forward to the next Video
You mention that the arcane entities do not initially have souls upon creation, but their offspring when brought into the natural cycle. Checks out, as far as I can tell, but then I remembered Alpha from the omega raid. They were also an arcane entity, but seemingly developed as soul as the raid series progressed. The how of it remains unclear, and they could just be an exception in the end, but it does imply that arcane entities can independently gain souls under the right circumstances.
Something to ponder, at the very least.
And the ancients said – Nothing, you idiot, the ancients are all dead! They're locked in my basement!
Gods in all but name but also better and exactly like some depictions of gods. A godlike entity who enjoys creation and concepts but is very responsible with their creations and their impacts. Knowledge is Creation.
I am really curious about what would have been ancient, to the Ancients. How did they get there, how long did they exist. But I’m also curious as to how much of the Star and it’s flora and fauna was ‘original’. The ancients seem like tinkerers l, always working and improving. But given how long they lived, how much did their environment over time and was it really for the best?
The way the Ancients and their governing of the world looks reminds me a lot of the third part of the Dead Ends dungeon, where they figured everything out as well and eradicated everything that was bad and left only positive things that suited their star. They, presumably, also had a very flourishing and thriving civilization at some point. One that, when they still had challenges to overcome and curiousities to explore, was alive and thriving. And then eventually they got to a point where they didn't care any more. All the things they wanted to eliminate, had been. All the curiosities they wanted to sate, had been. There was nothing left for them to do. They couldn't even die on their own, because they had eliminated that as well. So they made a beast that could take their life and end their eternal boredom and wherever it shows up, they flock towards the damn thing, all too happy and eager to embrace death.
To me, the Ancient's world feels a lot like that world before they got bored with everything. When they still had things to strive for and their imagination and lust for exploration still got sparked. Had the ancient's world lasted long enough, perhaps they would have shared the fate of that world, many, many years from the point we were brought to. The Ancients still understood and respected the concept of death and made rules to allow themselves to pass on, after certain tasks and accomplishments were done, but who's to say that couldn't have changed over many millennia. Just something to think about.
Amazing video! Loved every second of it.
Here's something I've always been fascinated by when it comes to concepts. In Elpis, we see a lot of creatures that were left on the Ancients' cutting room floor so to speak, namely the creatures we see Hermes have to put down. And yet we see creatures that look just like them even in modern times. It almost seems like concepts have a sort of will to be. It could also explain how something like Bismarck exists in both the Source and the First, or why the races of the reflections and the Source are, at least biologically, identical.
Is there something connecting concepts to memoria crystals?
Did the two we meet in elpis think the WoL was a humanoid offspring that shared Asem's soul color?
That must break a thousand creation protocols
Funnily enough, other races in the cosmos also had proficiency in changing form with aether or had abilities or technology similar to creation magics.
Great video!
I thought Emet selc was apart of a few of the anxient who could see the color of the soul?
Loved this video!
Couple of thing about the ancients. One is that there are now souls of the ancients in the ethereal sea who can be reborn. That is to say there are unsundered souls. Now that the three main Acians are dead their souls are now able to be reborn. You may make an argument about Lahabrea and Elidibus because they died in not die typical ways, Lahabrea was eaten by a primal and elidibus was absorbed into the crystal tower to be used up like a power source, but Emet Selk was killed in a more traditional fashion, impalement. Meaning, one day an extremely powerful person will be born one day. Such a person could have a huge effect on the world.
The other point is that the ancients were a societal dead end. Eventually their civilization would have likely succumbed to stagnation or some other calamity as we saw from the civilizations in Ultimathule. This is because, for all their advancement, they were emotionally immature. There are two examples of this. One is Hermes, Because he could find no fulfillment in the world he became a nihilistic psychopath who desired not only to end his own existence, but the existence of all things.
The other example is when the final days were averted the remaining ancients were so desperate to return to their old world rather than rebuild and find the true source of the problem it bordered on obsession. Even when the warnings and questions were staring them in the face they ignored them and only sought their lost blissful lives. They did not even try to learn or grow from the experience. They did not truly rise again, seeking only someone else to pick them up and take care of them while they kept playing with their toys like a child would.
I thought Soul Sight was an uncommon ability among the Ancients
This is why I love the Ancients
Given some of the events of Pandaemonium, and Athena's aspirations at a form of godhood, one thing that wasn't quite clear to me was what was the relationship between "gods" and the ancients. What is a god to an ancient? They have creation magic, have an existence that is above that of regular people in our time period, and can even assume greater forms. You could easily argue they are like gods compared to the current sundered reality. Ofc you could have an even stronger ancient capable of greater feats, I just wonder if they had a conception of a higher being even when in the ancient time, and what that would be.
I'm just glad seeing the ancients finally prove gaelicats are in fact not voidsent, and look forward to never hearing people spread misinformation on the cute flying cats again.
Here's to hoping we get more from Solution 9
Honestly, my opinion is that G'raha and Y'shtola are a bit too busy with their own projects to take the WoL Aside and go:
"Hey… You can apparently go back to Elpis any time you want, right? You think you could… Y'know… see about getting as much data out of Ktisis Hyperboreia as possible?
Oh, and since you have to go through the First on the way, can you stop by Anamnesis Anyder and do the same? Thanks! ;)"
The scene at 7:59 really took me back to the moment in FFIX where the group encounters the stone faces that speak the recorded history of Tera.
7:30 isn't the "being able to see souls" part a very rare trait?
So I know this us unrelated to the video, but I have to ask it. FFx-2, do you think Psychic as a playable job in a later expansion for FFXIV is possible or am I just coping? X-2 to my knowledge is the only time psychic has appeared in final fantasy and i was always super intrigued by it and would love to see it in FFXIV. I'd love to hear your thoughts
wait so are concepts supposed to be proto-job crystals?
My favorite topic, always gives me chills. Excited for the deeper dives to come!