Are the FFXIV Hildibrand Relic changes going to be a good thing for the Endwalker Relic system? Let’s discuss what the community is saying regarding the relic system changes
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I’m not worried about the how, I’m worried about what the relics actually look like. I HATED Shadowbringers relics
I've never done Hildibrand past the beginning but I'm totally fine with this. The argument that "they're making us do all of this old stuff" is stupid. The SHB relic made you de-level to the 50's and do 60 fates in 8 year old zones. There are almost 6 months before the patch drops with the relic and you weren't getting a relic on day 1 anyway. It's totally reasonable.
The last one forced Bozja, a miserable experience that is virtually impossible in 2022 (Good luck getting past relic 1), I'll do Hildibrand a dozen times before I grind one more memory or spend another hour in that stupid queue.
My slight disappointment is it transforms one whimsical, utterly optional questline that at its best was larger than life, into just another part of the structured content. The world felt a little bigger with Hildi a "well, because why not?" and a little smaller with (a retconned) "here's the reason Hildi's in the game".
The hypocrisy is that Eureka and Bozja were forcing people to do content they normally wouldn't do in order to get the relics for those respective expansions. Now that it might be potentially tied to Hildebrand, they're upset about it. They wanted the relics to be tied to optional content THEY wanted to do and are upset now that it's tied to optional content they don't want to do. Exploratory Missions were always bad and that's why they always failed within the expansion that they were released in. How many people even care that they turned Diadem into a Hand/Land relic side quest? Eureka is STILL a dead zone with bots outside of weekends and peak hours. How many fixes did Bozja take just to keep people there an extra month? Exploratory Missions as a whole are complete failures and the sooner they accept that the better.
Criterion Dungeons look like they will be a variation of Deep Dungeons and will likely replace the Exploratory Missions unless they plan to do both. I will still be pissed if they somehow tie relics into Criterion Dungeons to try to push those instead. Relics need to have a open ended way to grind for progress on them.
I''m mainly disappointed that there wasn't a secret Hydaelyn Moon Vault with the relics.
Im only on the 3rd quest for arr Hildi and no interest in it cause the humor doesnt appeal to me
I think the biggest issue for me is that I hate the humor in the Hildebrand quests. I tried getting through them back in ARR after hearing how good they were and stopped at the Gilgamesh fight. It was just toooo goofy for my liking personally. It's just not for me.
A few positives in this is (hopefully) not too much grinding like in previous ones and the ability to skip through cutscenes.
I find the outrage to be comical. I for one started Hildy in ARR and didn’t like it, so when I saw that is was going to be a requirement for the relic grind,my reaction was “welp, guess I have to do Hildy now.” But, as a longtime vet this doesn’t bother me. I believe most of the people who this bothers are people who are recent migrants to the game, and their previous, or other, games they play do not lock content, or, like in the case of WoW, legendaries are required. But, the relics aren’t the same as legendaries, have always been optional, and has always been locked behind some type of progression. The Shadowbringers relic grind was locked behind Return to Ivalice completion.
Also, Tartaru’s side quest is locked behind Heavensward’s 24 man story line. The primary dev focus on this game is the story, and they care very deeply about the lore and will extend certain lore into other gameplay areas, and then make knowing that lore a requirement to do that new content.
Chris, the only relic grind that didn’t just hand you a relic at the start for minimal effort, was Eureka.
Oh, a relic quest that doesn't focus on indulging the whims of an alcoholic mess in Gerolt? We may actually get an experience that isn't garbage grinding for a relic quest? I'm all here for it. You don't like Hildy story, then skip it. People click through whatever the hell the don't like anyway and hop from place to place for cards, or minions, in content that they don't care for the story attached. Personally I think people are just complaining to make their voices heard.
I just did the most recent Hilde quests, yesterday (last new stuff from the last patch I did) just in case. it did seem to point to relevance in the future. I will say too, that I did actually have some good chuckles. Most of the previous hilde stuff, we'll say, just wasnt my cup of tea. but this was better. we'll see. if it's a shift, from bozja/eurekean style relics, that wouldn't be terrible. Ive done all the 535's, and 1 Zodiak relic. I started an Anima one yesterday, goal being to do at least one weapon from each relic series. we shall see, Ill reserve judgement for experiencing whatever they give us, in time.
The whining about commitment of time for Hildebrand is complete malding stupidity. As though people didn't spend untold hours grinding in Eureka/Bozja/FATEs/for poetics etc for other relics. The time required to catch up on the quests is a minute speck compared to most relic activities, the FATEs step alone in the ShB relics arc would take you longer than the Hildebrand quest series.
The people who are upset have every right to be upset, the same way a lot of us were when we found out the relic was behind a grind we didn't love.
We still did it, anyway. Feel free to grumble, but you either want the shiny weapon or you don't. Happy grinding.
The other nice thing about the Hildibrand quest line vs. the alliance raids is this is solo (as far as I can recall) so you can just bang it out without relying on anyone else.
I'm fine with it hope it's more HW relic and less ARR reborn
Hildabrand has ALWAYS been required, even if it isn’t……it always was
Hey Brian so now I may get to do the final battle for stormblood. Then I can just head to your DC just to visit and take a bow and a hug !!!
And relics aren't required right? I've never gotten mine.
If I was forced to do pvp I wouldn't be able to get anything lolol
I mean, the relic is OPTIONAL side content. You don't have to do any of it if you don't want to. Now, the problem with Hildebrande is that not everyone can understand the jokes and whatnot of it, which I can understand that because there's only certain type of comedy that I can get into without it going over my head. I was in another streamer's stream the other day and they said their partner would not be happy about it because it's Hildebrand and they don't care for it. LIke you said, they can skip cs. I myself am quite intrigued; although like with the um Tataru storyline, people are going to have to complete Void ark and I've been getting those and some of the Hildebrande fights of late, so if you've completed all that – which I've completed just about every side content years ago – you'll be seeing it on the up and up. I'll be looking forward to seeing how this goes.
I'm ok with the Hildebrand part, I enjoy those but can see an argument that it should remain a totally separate and optional section of the game. I am concerned about what will be required for the actual relic however without any exploration zone and that it will be only the worst sections of the SHB relic and none of the good parts. Older relics were a nice use of older content to help keep them active back then but now there is enough of that and we don't need any further reasons to do old content.
If the dancer hildi weapon isn't Nashu's Big Ol' Bombs Poki Nyan is gonna be big ol' disappointed! lol
I hate the Hildi quests. I'd much rather waste my time doing literally anything but those. Even being forced to skip the rest of them is going to be hell. We're not complaining about the grind, we're complaining about what we're being forced to grind in particular.
perks on relic weapons, reminds me of GC gear perks. so like that but in certain areas? or like how bozja gear gave haste in bozja areas but for the weapon.
ok so as someone with 12,000 hrs logged on my character…..even if i absolutely despised Hilde's questline 6 hrs of time is nothing but a drop in the bucket. Even for those who don't play everyday. If 6 hrs to get through some side content to open up the relic weapon questline seems like it is too much for someone maybe MMO's aren't your thing. Doesn't matter if it is your favorite content or not complaining about a 6 hr grind puts out that you aren't willing to put in a little "grind" for something that does warrant your attention. Everyone is entitled to things they don't work towards.
Relics are supposed to be the grindiest content in the game every expansion. Complaining about Prerequisites for it falls on deaf ears to me.
I never want this community to put the devs in a place where they feel they cannot build upon what came before. When that happens, we'll truly be just like WoW. Better for us to have a living world that grows over time.
The Hildi Questline is great, I have no problems finishing it (mid ARR Hildi story right now) I also don’t have an issue finishing up to 6.2 Hildi as a pre-req. what i don’t like is the relic with the silliness of Hildi, to me Relic weapons are prestige weapons of legend and I don’t want to grind for a luxe item and glam and I get an absurd looking relic or some slapstick wacky storyline that devalues the relic and my efforts to obtain it.
I don’t get it, there are so many boring ass quest especially job story quest that even ruin the job. But people have a fiasco over a quest-line that just tries to be comedic. I feel like i am missing something. But what is the actual drama when the skip button has always existed .
I dunno. I find it silly. All that changed is that you have potentially skip a few more CS if you don't care about that stuff.
It's funny because its stupid – comedy does not suit me, I will likely end up spamming the Escape button through this.
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Easily the largest nontroversy for relic weapon. All relics required doing old content to level them up. 90% of every relic full quest line was doing old content. Also not every relic weapon was made equally, some of them look like garbage. So I would like a light hearted relic weapon design so the devs can be creative with it.
people will stop caring once they see how it looks.
if it looks good or if it fits certain glamour, people will flock to it without issue
I'm not a fan of the Hildi questline so DNF'd mid-ARR content. I finished it this weekend skipping the remaining story in about 2.5 hours. It was mind numbing, but the SB trial was fun at least. I am really curious what the quest-centric model will mean going forward. I could see them trying to develop something that's more future proof than Bozja. Currently it's easier for me to finish HW weapons than SHb because of the content it uses.
Well, I certainly wasn't expecting my comment to be one of those read. Kinda surprising that. Honestly, whether I like it or not, I'll end up doing the Hildi quest line for the relic regardless. For me they're generally just something to do while we wait for more main story, and often I like at least 1 of the weapons, or their stages for glamour purposes. The time aspect for it wasn't my concern, just the being required to do content I've set aside for when I'm in the right kind of mood to actually enjoy it. With any luck, maybe that will still come to be before the 6.25, but who knows. I have been interested in the battle content locked away within it too, and have known I needed to do it at some point if just for some Blue Mage abilities. It's probably part of why I'm only mildly disappointed. This works as an excuse to finally do it. It's just the doing it with the expectation to sigh as the type of comedy flops before me, instead of doing it when I'm far more likely to laugh along with it.
I do agree with the wish that relics served more of a purpose beyond temporary BiS and then glamour, though. As much as I've gotten pretty much all of the ones I do have almost purely FOR glamour, something more, and long standing would be nice. Whether it be that minor bonus to side content, or it leveling with you but never again being current BiS, both, or something else entirely. Just something beyond purely glamour would be nice.
When i hear Hildy relics and Manderville, i immediately think of the Gold Saucer weapons and how goofy they look, and pray they aren't making more silly relic designs.. We've had an abundance of mediocre looking relics and not much that stands out as truly exceptional. For how much grinding is required, i don't think it's asking too much to have weapons that will be awesome looking to justify the many hours and days spent on them.
I don't mind this being locked behind Hildi to be honest, and I am hoping it is going back to single player focus again for the relic. I did not like Zadnor nor Bozja at all because it was forced grouped content which I don't like in general. I actively hate trials and raids since I prefer 4 man combat overall. So being forced to do the steps of Zadnor and Bozja made me not do those. So, I am hoping they are going back to solo farming again.
I dont understand how people are having issue about needing to do hildebrand. ShB relics required you to do return to ivalice which would take even longer to do.
The final fantasy community is just finding anything to whine about
Personally relics are optional
I did most of ARRs
all of HWs
Started all of StBs but lost interest
Never bothered with ShBs
I'm not to worried or mad about the relic being tied to Hildebrand. That isn't an issue. I'm worried they're going to be big dumb "joke" weapons. That's my worry
We lost Hildy in Shadowbringers and people were sad, now we get him back and it includes the relic and people are still complaining. I think it’s a creative way to put in content for those that want to do it. Plus we are getting the best blacksmith & goldsmith involved! I’m personally excited. Relic hasn’t been interesting since Heavensward. Brian you need to do Stormblood Hildy it’s classic and they bring back elements of ARR quests! Developers can’t make everyone happy. At least they are using imagination this time to make it interesting!
Im just glad i did hildi untill shadowbringers haha on a side note, when are they adding the community weapons?
I don't want the community to spoil it. They get agressive combat content for years then when we finally get relaxing gameplay, everybody complains.
People seem to not understand this isn't about time commitment. I've completed eureka and bozja. The sad part is from a dev perspective I can totally see why someone thought this was a good idea. Since Hildebrand was previously completely optional content if you didn't like it you just didn't do it. Not having it done would only of affected people that want to do mentor roulette so there was little reason to complain.
I think its hilarious. This comes at at time when people have been complaining that theres no content in the game.
Entitled Players in June: There's no content in this patch.
Yoshi P: Hmmm 90% of players haven't done Hildebrant. Lets add a Relic weapon to the quest chain.
Entitled players Now: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Yoshi P: Here you go for complaining about no content. We now added something you NEED for content you haven't done yet.
Just a word of advice for everyone. Stop complaining about there being NO CONTENT in the game in the future.
Imagine if they didn't tell us to complete the Omega questline before finishing Endwalker? How many people would have been pissed off?
I'm glad I finished all the quests in the game and I don't have to worry about stuff like this when it happens.