Shake off our EXTREME Holiday Dust and get ready for Thursday voyage into M1S!
0:00 – Intro
18:20 – “Fix Your Rotation”
22:58 – “Always be Casting”
32:12 – Terrified to Stream Savage
40:39 – Comments, Cooldowns & Slidecasting
1:42:24 – Caetsu’s “Not Sure How to Start Savage Raiding? Start Here!”
2:17:53 – Unlocking Stone, Sky and Sea
2:36:54 – Level 100 Dummy
2:53:16 – Openers
2:58:50 – Why Track Addle
3:28:39 – Unlocking M1S
3:36:02 – Are we ready?
3:54:23 – Savage Starts Thursday!
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Nate here from the chat. I apologize if my comment about < 80% GCD uptime during the sit and chat portion ventured into backseating/nagging territory and contributed to a negative atmosphere.
I shall take extra care how I word things in the future, to try and avoid that.
For what it's worth, you guys are awesome and for sharing your journey with all of us. Period. And I will always stand by that.
Just dont do it in week1, its done.
All 6 others are not blind.
Just want to thank you both again. I always look forward to watching your video''s even when I have to watch it after the live. I so can relate to so much each of you say. What I hope for, is that you can both continue to enjoy the game and the content. I certainly don't do the content level your doing now, nor have I been able really ever play at your levels; what I can say is that I promise you are both doing wonderfully. I panic at the thought of just doing my Daily Roulettes for the Tombstones if I don't have others that I play with regularly with me. I look forward to catching you do the upcoming raid,
Love Kyle’s questions. I share the same sentiment over many classes. So much of Ffxiv is just do this and fall in line with the hoard. I’m always like why?
oh i was asleep for this, time to hit the VOD squad! see you on savage day!
I wanna give props to Kyle for playing AST. Honestly, I feel like I’m drowning whenever I play AST with how many things you have to juggle all at once. SGE and WHM are definitely more my speed when it comes to healers.
Honestly, Kyle's fears while are valid, but once you start you notice Savage is not what people make it to be. You don't need this amount of prep for savage at all.
Knowing your rotation is good, but not at all necessary. It's more important you pop your raid wides where proper and addle/feint when needed.
Beyond that it's just about repetition and knowing where you can get some uptime.
The ONLY reason for knowing your rotation or going for a pentamelded gear is if you don't want others to carry that load for you. Yes you end up helping the party when you get your high uptime and your gear is optimal, but that's the meta mindset I personally want XIV to steer away from, because as someone who has cleared multiple savages, I know it's not needed for savage. It is a bit more necessary for ultimates. And maaaaybe the very last savage tier you can start to dabble into that meta stuff.
Been following you guys journey in the background, always lurking, mostly through vods cause I don't have a lot of freetime to align with streams. Hope you all have lots of fun, is the most important. Huge respect and love for the energy you bring to the community, even more with the amounts of negativity it has seen around, both during the bigger content lulls and DT.
Savage is not the monster people make it sound, especially if not week 1, where dps checks might be a bit tight. Knowing rotations and optimizing gear is nice, at least for that personal satisfaction of knowing you're performing well, but most important and satisfying by far is clearing the fight, learning the mechs and working all well with a nice group. Just by doing the fights themselves you'll feel that you've learned and improved a lot. Possible downside, other content will start to feel very slow and "empty", even more if you dabble into Ultimates.
EDIT: About that little bit in the stream that got a bit eefy about having to always be casting…most important mechs, then as a healer making sure you're keeping people alive, then worry about your dps. The guy in chat simplifying it all to just ABC and just dps better to Kyle, Kyle being an AST, learning, progging and getting slowly more comfy, was not good advice at all. Huge props to Kyle, AST is, at least for me as healer main, the most complex one, by far.
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It hurts my soul when people say jerkbag stuff that attacks the way beginners play. Not sure if any of you is using ancient moon magic but if you do I highly recommend an addon called a realm recorded. It expands duty recorder functionality. Duty recorder itself allows you to read all the buffs/debuffs. Look it up, check it out, IMO it's the best tools in the game for prog.
Would love to raid with them and help them with their first clears from the background but it's a bit difficult to do from EU without any chars on NA 😀 But will defo watch the raids if not live, at least the day after. Time for a step up in learning curve! 😀
got back into raiding this tier, and someone I picked up as a sub for our group ended up showing us a tool you might find useful called xivanalysis. Basically, if you decide to use ACT (add on, I know. to each their own if you're want to use it), you can run your parse through the site, and it'll analyze how you did and give you some general tips for improvement. It's built and tuned per-job, so it can accurately give you feedback for your job. It's a really useful tool for learning and trying to improve. Though, it's worth mentioning that data is only as good as your interpretation of said data. It's only going to be useful if you take the time to understand why the analysis says certain things. You don't want to just blindly follow what it says.
All that being said, the tool is completely unnecessary. You can very easily beat savage without really needing to care about what xivanalysis says. It's more useful for people who want to push themselves and really dive into their job. You can also easily find ways to learn and improve without using it. It's just a good data-based tool for those who find that sort of data useful. Chances are if you actively don't want to use ACT, you won't want xivanalysis anyway.
Also, unfortunately the site doesn't support AST atm. No one's updated it to reflect the new card mechanics, so unfortunately Kyle's not gonna get use out of it right now, lol. Which is a shame. As a WHM, it's helped me think a bit more about a couple things I wouldn't have normally.
Anyway, I hope you two enjoy savage raiding. It's a good time. Just take it easy and go at your own pace with it. The learning process for fights is worth savoring, especially with friends.
Just want to give my two cents to some discussions that happend.
1. Most GCD-related issues (like ABC or knowing when to run and when to slidecast) will considerably solve themselves with experience. So while most people want to help with commenting on that, you guys are simply still missing experience which only comes from repeatedly bashing your head against (many fights of) hard content. Up till now, you had often people knowing what they do, so you hadnt needed to worry about it. As you are now in current content, it finally appears as a thing you might want to worry about and thus you will naturally work on it and "perfect it" in a way you like it.
2. Regarding being able to see Debuffs on the enemies. I myself always have focus target active on the boss/enemy, so i can always see what my party uses while i hide debuffs from others on the "normal target" to keep track of my dot easier. (Playing as a healer.) I know it helps in different situation to have another player in your focus, so keep in mind different situations and different likes will result in this being an on/off-setting depending on the player.
You had a really good learning session about different things that will help in the future, so i look forward to you guys having fun in savage.
God the sackbeaters are unbearable. Just shut up with the unsolicited advice, it comes off as smarmy. I promise you you're not as good at this game as you think you are, and getting preachy to people who are still in the process of learning the ropes totally unbidden is cringeworthy and makes you out to be a total douche canoe.
Garrett, Kyle, keep this up. Surround yourselves with people like Jo, Todd and Shen. Those are the figures you need to spur you on and make the process enjoyable and constructive. When I came back to XIV I had no intention of going into anything midcore or above. Not even Extremes. However, I met some awesome people in game, ended up forming a static, and started to learn the ropes progressing from Extreme to Savage and now we're clearing Ultimates. Did this all at my own pace, while working a 12hr shift job. I am by no means a great player, but I got there and if I can do it, you guys can do it too. All the best in your progression, the feeling of getting those clears is amazing, and makes the whole process so worth it.
If you guys get few minutes, you should watch Arcadion by Machinima. Holy fock…
You'll love it.
to be honest at this point in the patch, You don't really need to prep too much for savage. The optimal rotation and stuff are mainly for the first few weeks of the tier where no one has gear so everyone needs to play really well to have the chance to clear. It is fine if you are learning and can't do everything perfectly. If it is this late into the patch, everyone has access to gears that are at least 10 ilvl above the minimum ilvl (ilvl720+ at the moment) + better weapons (ilvl 725 Sphene Ex atm) which will significantly make dps check easier. People even without best in slot have been skipping mechs to the point where I even doubt party finder even know how to deal with some of the later mechs in M1S. And most importantly, this savage tier (M1S to M4S) is pretty light on dps check and more of mech execution check.
I don't think M1S is that much harder than Sphene Ex (I'd say it is easier in certain aspect actually) so I think the team will do just fine.
Also the healing in M1S is so light you shouldn't have any problem even with low to no mitigation at this point. However, if you want to see how mitigation matters later, you can check things like NEST M2S video where a certain raidwide just straight out murder every dps in the party when everyone have lower ilvl gear and the boss has a certain thing going (probably not on stream tho since it's like 30min long and it's more of the process of how they come up with the strats for their static)
You’ll likely end up with an army of candidates who can do these in their sleep so I wouldn’t worry too much outside of working on your specific role. 1-2 were very easy months ago too so you probably won’t find much of a challenge until 3-4 and honestly the biggest issue with 3-4 was finding people who wanted to do it. PF was basically dead for it.
Some things that are repeated ad nauseam are there for a reason, people have crunched the numbers long before we played. Savage + Ultimate discussions will devolve into optimization discussions thats just what you should expect. Don't take it personally because… what else is there to talk about in high end content, especially when you're labelling a stream as savage "Prep"?
Everyone stinks when they first start raiding. I know I did, and now I expect to finish in the 90th-95th percentile and often higher in every fight I do. It's just a matter of experience.