Asmongold Reacts to Final Fantasy 14 (FFXIV) player banned for a third-party addon
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DPS meters are a great tool for self improvement. Sure they can be abused, but pricks are going to be pricks with or without a DPS meter. Any other add-ons I don’t really care if other people use them but I don’t want to, and certainly wouldn’t want the XIV devs to start designing raids around people having them.
I think damage meter should be a baseline function in the game…
…BUT it should only show your own performance, so you have data to see whether you are doing good or bad.
It's bullshit like say, the Mage Tower, is built on addons.
The minute you install the Mage Tower addons to alert you of everything, you win.
I did it, friends did it. I take no pride in it though, the fucking robot basically told me how to win.
One HUGE factor that most non-FFXIV players forget is cross platform. PS4-5 is a major factor to the policy being how it is.
Add-ons do help, but it's completely unnecessary in FFXIV. A lot of people just do not understand how the fundamentals of the game actually work. Examples: people jump "out" of AoEs; DRG jump memes, server tick in general, when your casts are guaranteed to go through and allow you to "slide cast," skill speed and spell speed affecting HoTs and DoTs, healing buffs not applied to oGCD heals/abilities, co-tank provoking after the tank buster, boss autos and kills the main tank before server tick says OT has aggro, players not knowing about the enmity list so you can see all entity's cast bar; focus target; the list goes on. People use add-ons that explain nothing to the game, leaving them stagnant, complacent and completely reliant upon the tool. People claim to use the tools to improve, but don't actually improve. The reality is, they use the tools to call out the mechanic, or how to solve it for themselves and watch their damage numbers go up. Considering people say 'the fights are scripted and therefore, easy,' it begs the question, "then why do you even need these add-ons?" Truth is, unless you're a world first runner or actually enjoy progging blindly, guides come out after a few days so you don't even need to figure anything out, further begging that same question. The cognitive dissonance is real. EDIT: The only add-ons in FFXIV that I think are fine are Nael call-outs and auto marker for gaols; I don't know about gaols, but at least Nael quotes the devs said it's a really poorly done mechanic and they will not do another mechanic like it again.
they weren't banned for the dps meter btw.
DPS Meters remind me of those cartoons where they chop an entire tree to make a tiny martini umbrella
"Fuck the long term consequences and how it fucks up people's lives, I want my tiny umbrella."
I dont understand why some streamer cant just have a second monitor with their ACT on that? I use damage meters but never have it on my main screen.
GOOD. Fuck 'em.
“Who watches a 6 hour rant?” Bull Burr fans do my friend.
If you arent useing the act addon to harasses people why suspend people for playing the game how they want? The only hate for ACT is when people bully and harass people based on parsing.
Good, perma ban any addon user, no exception. This crap already killed wow, we can't let this happen to other games.
Chat bubbles is literally the only add on I use (does G Shade count?)
Honestly I hate the 6 hour pre show its why I only watch on youtube now.
I find your honesty extremely funny and refreshing. So you talking is a podcast basically.
I mean i just want a UI Addon cause I don't like how it looks lol
no, it's the player, simple fact its in the ToS about add-ons, also all trials and raids are doable without add-ons because devs play the game, ill tell you guys a little secret if you want somehelp you with duties and raids figuring out the mechanics, just look at the arena
Whats even funnier to me is that basic GM curtosey is to not interact with you if you are currently in a duty, they will in 99% of cases, wait until you are just wandering around so as to not obstruct gameplay, so they fact they were just like 'ENOUGH' and removed him mid duty, I'm going to presume the GM's were waiting for the go ahead to start cracking down on add-on users for a WHIIIILLLLEEEE
Ngl getting warped into jail and then the GM spawning in is a dope way of banning ppl tbh
No sympathy at all for the banned. The game was specifically designed without addons in mind. T o use them is akin to adding condiments to a complete meal. Simply spitting on the creators'/chefs' face.
A work around for this would be a sort of "approved tools" list made by the dev team themselves. The people behind the most popular addons could submit their work to the dev team and after a review period the devs either reject it or add it to a list of allowed tools. This way you know clearly what is and isn't allowed and at the same time the devs would have a real metric of which addons most people like to use. A good consequence of this would be that if the devs see that thousands of people all use the same addon because it's very convenient (but not unfair because, as said before, it's an approved addon) they might decide to actually add it to the game as an actual feature.
This however requires time and resources Square Enix's part, so the easier solution is to say "No external tools, period" and call it a day
The only addons I use in FF14 are the nude and feet mods because I'm a degenerate.
Personally, I feel like on the raid side the only UI add we need is a personal dps meter only you can see with maybe a way to post it somewhere Last part is maybe, it is fun to see after all how you are stacking up but that is where a lot of toxic stuff happens. And also a death recap to see the most recent hits more clearly then the mess that is battle log. These tools are huge in allowing growth.
DPS meters work great with support classes. How else do you know how much more damage you do until you have a meter that shows the difference?
In FF11 the support jobs were always in demand because of the quantifiable benefit they offered.
most addons i use are for ui issues literally just to track my energy bar, buffs, combo points etc. basicly quality of life improvements. Dont need to be a brain surgeon to know standing in fire=bad
I've been summoned to the jail before so I've got firsthand experience with the GM like that and explaining what's happening. It happened because I used rather colourful language in dealing with a toxic player. In my case I was let off with a warning because he saw what was up.
Also a note, the reason why add-ons are bad, is because players get complacent with them instead of submitting it as feedback as something they'd like to add, fair enough on the DPS meter where devs have already said no, but things like having the chat bubbles? not enough people give it as a suggestion as something to be added where the devs can see the feedback, but rather just press install and leave an add on to do it for them.
ACT is basically kind of like DBM and Damage Meter rolled into one. Not only does it track certain abilities its a parser as well, hence why I ignore it. Personally I think adding a damage meter ruins the experience done to WoW levels of mediocrity which is a fancy way of saying, "even in you're BIS set you're about 0.3% lower than you should be, auto-kicked from raid and kicked from the FC followed by a PM saying, 'gIT beTTr sCRuB!'" There's a reason I really hate elitists, they ruin the game for everyone sometimes and degrade it to being one huge number crunch like WoW. It's one of the reasons I left the other being Warlords of Drano. xP
I hate the "forced inclusivity" meme that's used to justify addons. "I have brain problems, I need a raid spelled out for me." – What? There has to be a bottom line, my dude. I'm sorry you can't do it, but you're not meant to, nor is anyone's duty to make the experience palatable for you.
It's as ridiculous as an obese guy saying "I need a mobility scooter to move around" and deciding he can play a game of football on his scooter, running others over, or another guy saying "I am easily overwhelmed, so I need those virtual goggles to tell me where the action is" – what the fuck, no. Shape up to the standard the game, the sport or the medium requires (or play a disability-friendly version of it), but don't require the entire world to cater to you, we have too much of that going on around.
As much as I enjoy my addons that help me through raids, because I'm a casual noob… I would love to see WoW add some servers restricting or disabling addons.
Well it's good to keep a company stick to there gun's and band player's if it's against policy.
When I played FF14 and first realized that their were no chat bubbles…. I was dumbfounded. Cannot believe this MMO doesn’t have chat bubbles. It’s insane.
Since it nowhere to be found, a little FFXIV history. Lots of people were using dps meter and even call out bots. But there weren't loads of (big) streamers streaming it. Then a bunch of WF WoW people started playing FFXIV blind, amazing content to watch! They, not surprisingly, hated the ui and basically wanted it to look like elvUI. Some programmers saw their oppertunity to make this happen and worked alongside some of these streamers to make it happen. There was already stuff out there, but not many people used it and even less people saw it (no big streamers).
Now all these big WoW streamers were showing the new addons on stream. It popped of. I guarentee it was then when Square Enix decided to keep a close eye on this. Eventually, when it reached the point where people just did not care anymore about streaming it or not, they send a messaged out: get banned.
I think it kind of sucks that you have to have add-ons for certain games to make them better or even playable its unfortunate.
Who watches a six hour rant? Joe Rogan's show is like 3-4 hours? I doubt most people are watching for the full six hours, but yea…….
Yoshida has also gone on record, MULTIPLE TIMES, saying they will NOT add in a DPS meter to the game, even personal ones. "We know you will change personal meters to monitor everyone, too." The team is not stupid. People have stopped asking them publicly, or they no longer add the question in Q&A, if meters will be added after Yoshida actually got up and started walking out of the livestream (back in Stormblood). They have a hard stance on the topic that people are just unwilling to accept.
good, there shouldnt be addons for games that arent specifically HUD or UI based, no meters, no gtfo, no point and clicks, nothing but bars and bags
happily watch a 6 hour rant especially when in agreeance with 95% of opinions
Wait, why were NSFW accouns mad at Asmon?
Problem is not using ACT to measure their own skill.
The problem is that many people also use extra programs for less innocent reasons.
REGARDLESS how you feel about ACT, it does not change the fact that , it by itself is creating a more "Toxic" enviroment.
IF you are tired of all Bots, Hackers and Toxic people — there is no other way than to completely remove program all together.
"[…]Whenever they were being vague about third party tools." No, the FFXIV team was never vague about the third party tools; their stance has always been "do not use them, if we catch you, you will be punished." It's the players that pushed the idea of don't look, don't tell and tools being okay to use, just don't mention it in game. Read multiple topics on the official forums about people pushing that it was fine to use these tools, then going silent when dared to name those tools along with their main characters and not an obvious ALT forum account. They knew they were breaking rules, or thought they were wrong enough to be punished and not chance it. There is just so much dishonesty regarding the matter in the community.
YoshiP said multiple times that he's against third party tools in the game (addons). People underestimated that and here we are.
probably unpopular, but FFXIV needs to grow a spine and either stand by their TOS and put up an actual barrier to stop addons, or change their TOS and let them be used. It makes no sense to have one thing in the TOS that prohibits something but in reality you don't care as long as people don't advertise that they are using those addons. It just invalidates your TOS and pops up situations like these where people begin to question your practices.
Whenever the game has "Dont use combat addons" and then you still use them its cheating its easy as that