Heavensward was the best of times, and it was also the worst of times for ranged physical DPS. Let’s talk about the rework to bard going from A Realm Reborn into Heavensward where the Bard was more often referred to as the “Bow Mage” than a bard.
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Video of how bard played during 3.0 Heavensward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xfYsoo72_A&ab_channel=Mrhappy1227
Timestamp:
0:00 Intro
0:27 Heavensward was WEIRD
0:58 CAST TIMES ON BARD — REEEEEEEEEEEEE
3:00 PLAYER REACTIONS — The power of ten thousand Karens raging in unison
5:11 Player Reactions to LOSING cast time in Stormblood.
6:02 Wanderer’s Minuet Details ( HEAVENSWARD )
7:02 Actual Footage of these cast times!
7:50 Outro! What are YOUR thoughts?!
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uhhhh i aboslutely loved bow mage i quit bard when it was removed. bow mage actually felt like a sniper with weight behind it's attacks. now it feels like you are shooting air. i loved the interesting interaction bow mage had with skill speed
0:03 Wow nice music~ YwY
Bard always gets the short stick when comes to patches, and I can't wait for Endwalker to see how they destroy it again, because Sage is coming, so if it has some support skills, they need to kill Bard for good this time, like they did when Dancer come out:))
I have mix feelings on the bow mage on one hand it was a slow but on the other hand it was fun. To me if they had just changed some of the skills to an ogcd and you know let them keep auto attacks it would be good
I gotta ask I heard Dark Knight lost so many abilities in Shadowbringers and apparently it was hot gar-bahge so I hope to see a video about this
Also heard Bow Mage and hmmm cast times how about no
Bard has always sucked in Ffxiv compared to FFXI.. In FFXI Bard had Lost Dervish as a song that you could keep up 24/7..
If I were to rework bard:
1.army's paen, mage's ballad, and wanderer's minuet would use mp and have a 2.54 recast time.
-this change would give bard's more freedom on which style they want to go into
2. Give back the mp regen to Mage's ballad. A nice cooldown phase for Bard and other classes to regen their mp
3.lower the cooldown of battle voice to 60s, so bards can theoretically weave this buff between two song states.
4. Add a fourth song that adds some form of mass debuffs to the target or group of enemies. Bards would get a new gauge and they'd have to play their other three songs before they can cast the fourth.
5.Graphic and animation overhaul. Caustic arrow, windbite, refulgent arrow, Empeyrial Arrow, sidewinder and others….they can be reanimated as instruments being strung and flying note or sheets of music hitting and hurting enemies.
I loved MCH in heavensward. But apparently I was one of the only people that did lol. It was disappointing for me, but oh well lots of other jobs to switch to. Without the cast bars it felt like a melee that didn't have to worry about positioning and movement in a game where 90% of the mechanics are positioning and movement related. Would love some abilities to be close range and far ranged to add some more dynamic gameplay personally.
Yeah, I honestly liked Bow Mage as well. Was my DPS main for all of HW. I actually don't like the song weaving of BRD now, doesn't feel like a bow user.
…Why a Pun? Why!?
The most disliked job for me is SMN without question.
I mained brd in arr but in heavensward brd/mch led me to my current main, smn. I am grateful because I'm really enjoying summoner. I can only hope they change our lb3 to terraflare and answers reprisal plays as you cast it lol.
Nononono. Literally everyone I talk to who has main'd BRD for a while including myself liked bow mage. The reason it is gone is because the dps discrepency of people who could manipulate WM and those who couldn't was really high (look at the BRD opener from HW it is fukin insane, and it also starts with WM off, also if you planned your refresh incorrectly you could always toggle off and refresh and turn back on at a dps loss, but it's better than having to waste 2 casts to refresh your dots). It was also the reason why BRD could do soo much damage during HW. We were literally one of the best classes in the game when paired with DRG. I hate that the low skill pepegas have made my job a super low damage support that is a fkn meme now because they don't wanna stand still. If you don't wanna stand still play a melee. Add bowmage back so the high damage is jusfified. I wanna crank dps again, not be treated like MNK was in HW.
I used to run shiva ex as bard but i hated hw bard
I personally do not like how much freedom of movement ranged DPS gets, and I always find myself getting bored with them because of it. Zero risk of getting hit by avoidable damage, with ability animations that look super jank while moving.
I only wish I got to try out this infamous bow mage.
I was a tank main in HW, and I think that's part of why I quit the game back then. WAR was like, insanely OP and had no right to be as good as it was, and I didn't want to keep playing it because it felt like playing with cheats on. DRK was pretty fun with the old Darkside, PLD was just awful. So I sorta had fun with DRK except it had so many binds and shared cooldowns from WAR/PLD and stuff that my bars were super clogged. It also never felt right having the whole meta of "drop tank stance cause we need you to do more DPS," like, I'm a tank, shouldn't my tank stance be a good thing to keep up?
I'm sure some people are mad that tanks are super easy to play now in comparison, but for me, thank god. They can still do good blue DPS and there's no weird meta of like, "this core ability for your role is actually bad and don't use it."
2.x basic ass BRD was my main
Dropped it so hard when 3.x came
Tired MCH then, same shit but steampunk toilet.
It was just too much or a drastic change able to have consistent upkeep of DPS on the go, to become basically a BLM lol.
Love 5.x MCH now tho, can't get into 5.x BRD at all.
I vaguely remember this happening because back then I found the job so unappealing. I could only play it long enough to grind through levels and then switch to something else at cap.
I actually really miss Heavensward Bard. In 3.0 it was rough, but past that it was so fun. The cast times were short compared to what I was use to coming from mostly White Mage, and it just felt really satisfying. Especially since it meant Bard actually got to do damage compared to now where infinite uptime means they have to under perform relative to other jobs.
I mained BRD through ARR and HW. Sometimes you hated WM but the fights were designed to take that into account. You had to change between stances especially if you’re only going for the dot applications only. I like the current BRD but I do wish the songs were better. Bring back Foe’s Requiem!!!
Idea for a video series: Fates Abd Rewards.
Srsly like no 14 tuber talks about Fates except to say like "oh do these for stage 1 of the bozja relic" but like…are those fates hard? Soloable? Do they reward you in anyway?
Im caught up with the msq and got everything to 80 and im doing eureka now bc ORB but the only fates Ive been looking at are the archaeotania/formidable sets bc I wanna fight those guys b4 Endwalker drops.
Id like to do that one around Anyx Trine but haha being lv56 synced blows you need a whole army to fight a lv52 enemy bc its immune to all BLU's best shit (sidenote: the evil seed fate can be one shot by BLU lmao)
Even as a casual bard, glad it went bye bye. Bard feels great with the mobility. Losing that was utter trash.
I loved bowmage because it was like, we are focusing these shots like snipers of old. there is no person on earth who can shoot a bow and hit its mark as fast as our characters can, so doing it like that was pretty cool
Bard was great back then when you could actually do damage
Controversial but….. Bring back bow mage??
As a bard main i'm not sure what they should do with bard but i know they should do something with it.
I'd like them to bring back skills i never had the pleasure of using such as fire arrow and wide volley.
or just give us bane. Job done. Finito. No need to discuss this further. lmao
This is tin foil hat territory but since 2 out of the 3 ranged melee jobs are support dps then a 2nd barely any utility/pure dps job should be implemented just like how Healers are getting a second shielder but the idea of a 4th melee ranged is way in the future like 7.0 onwards so i'm not expecting anything like this any time soon.
A grenadier type job would be my pick where you make bombs with various effects ect (mudra type system?) and either plant or chuck them at your enemies or allies depending on their effect. It would be hilarious.
TLDR: Bring back Bow Mage? Bring back wide volley/Fire arrow, Just give us Bane OR implement a 2nd pure ranged dps job i hope for a grenadier job.
I would absolutely love to have a charged super powerful attack that has a lot of audio-visual feedback. Bard is super fun to me as it is right now but it feels like playing a machine gun. I just think adding a charged gcd (maybe half a gcd worth of charging) would spice up the gameplay a bit.
Also truly hoping for an Aoe variant of refulgent arrow. From what I've seen in the benchmark, I might be in for a treat.
Bow Mage was hated, yes, but in comparison to every expansion’s iteration, many ShB classes are currently in their worst form. I hope we don’t see so many classes and roles gutted again in EW.
As for me, I found that caster BRD was odd but interesting. I liked the purpose of increasing my BRD’s damage output. Even today, it needs it. I don’t think anyone wants to see caster BRD back but the need for either an increase in DPS or support is evident.
SMH youtube recommending me slander of the highest skill cap most interesting to optimize job in the history of the game.
Bow mage was amazing.