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It will be a disaster. He has said many times he doesnt care for stories in games. And tbf, the very early game of ff, doesnt have that much to offer aside from story.
I personally enjoyed ARR, the story progression is nice, and since then it was shortened somewhat. The issue isnt ARR. Asmongold said multiple times he doesnt care about the story. In that case ARR basically have very little to offer. Those who read the story and progress through like it was intended, this expansion is completely fine. Its just those who dont care about those things.
I'm not against skipping but boy imagine skipping blind and being that streamer sprout in SHB who have no idea what a skill does or have any clue what's going on??? Yeah don't become your own laughingstock. Glad he's gonna not skip.
"Just boost" isn't something a Final Fantasy single player RPG player would say. But this isn't a single player RPG. There's a new game + and the journal in the inn room is there for a reason. I believe in the quality of the story of this game so much, that even if skipped by people who focus on gameplay more, it will at least get them curious to try to use the journal or new game plus to find out what happened and get some context. The game respects people's time and allows you, to some degree, approach it whichever way you want. We want more people to enjoy the game. Let them approach it how they want to. It'll hook them in eventually.
He said he wouldn't boost. He will get carried hard though.
Asmon doesn't take me as the type that wants to change people's minds about how they feel about this, which is why he has been hesitant to do it. It sounds like he wants to try it and play it then share his thoughts. That is my take on what that Texan wants, basically you do you he'll do him and share his view. You're correct about blizzard as an entity.
Thumbs up dude!
I just got to level 50. I can honestly say it's among the most annoying content i've played in a very long time. The story was alright, it had it's moments. But when it got mundane, it got mundane. Around level 40, i told my FC i wanted to bash my brains into my desk i was so over it. I grinded an entire day just to get over the content. I didn't rush it, because i wanted to know lore-wise what was going on. The grind was all too real. And oh god the cutscenes. When there was only dialogue i'd be like "Wow, wish this was narrated by a voice actor" than they'd voice the cutscenes and i was like, "Oh god, never mind. Abort, abort!"
Now, would i boost? Nope.
The reason they are suggesting the boost is that he said he do not care about story in games and especially the Final fantasy ones. All he likes is raiding and difficult boss fights. When he said that, people told him that raids and alliance raids are challenging in Shadowbringer, Hence the suggestion.
I gues a lot of people i myself included are not realy interested in the story but the gameplay part. I honestly did not bother for 90% of the story and the 10% i liked where just alright and not that super interesting to me. Considering the massiv amount of time people who are like me have to waste to get to the for us relevant content is so massiv i can understand the recommandation for a boost cause while the endgame and raids are fun the game is pure torture for a huge part of it because its just so boring till you get to the good stuff.
ARR isnt that bad ffs.
I do think as others have said they suggest he skip ARR because he specifically doesn't care about the narrative. The content in ARR is good but it's also long and the narrative in ARR is not as engaging as what comes afterward. Heavensward story onward might actually interest him but I can see how the ARR's story might not. I'm not sure how streamlined it became with the Shadowbringers expansion because I believe was supposed to be so maybe ARR won't be an issue but I don't know. Combat, as he likes it won't really be there until Heavensward and I think that's true. Especially since he doesn't seem to play games offline only when he streams. If he were willing to burn through a lot of ARR offline maybe I would agree with him not skipping.
I do fear he will not make it through ARR because he doesn't care about the narrative and he won't have as many combat options as he'd wish early on.
I'm glad Asmongold said he will not boost.
If he likes (slightly even likes it) it without a boost, he'll love XIV into Heavensward.
Also, his goal is to become a DRK. If he does the job quest, I know he's going to fall in love with the story aspect of the game.
Granted I cannot say as to who gave Asmon the advice to skip and can only speculate as to why. If I were to guess it would have to do with what Asmon himself has said what he likes in a game, doesn't like, and the things in a game he care little to nothing about. He has always been straight up about what his preferences are. Story was something he himself said he cared jack about which is understandable. WoW by comparison while it has a storied history and lore it's very convoluted by comparison and the lore in the game doesn't match the lore you see in WoW books which is the actual story of WoW. FFXIV easily has 300+ hours of mandatory story and lore through MSQ. The person/people advising skipping were trying to be helpful however it does more damage to a new player than good not necessarily because it skips story that doesn't matter so much to a person who doesn't care about it but it jumps you to max and you have no idea how to play the game nor the job you picked . Jump pots are usually recommended for alt classes (lvl jump) or alt characters (lvl & story jump) as you would have learned the very basics of gameplay already going through the game once as the devs intended. Going through that much story multiple times isn't something everyone wants to do.
For clarification there are two types of jump pots in FFXIV. Story= jumping to the most current expansions story. You still have to go through the most recent expansions storyline but every other expansion is skipped. Class/Job Skip= A jump for a specific class or job to reach either max level or jump up to 10 levels below cap. The two are separated things and you have to do both to get close to current content and it translates to paying as much as you would for a new expansion. They didn't want to make the jumps too cheap as to encourage their use nor too expensive.
I am glad Asmon is going to rough it through the story and who knows maybe he'll find he likes it or he possibly won't doesn't matter either way. Giving any game a fair shake is respectable. I sincerely hope he enjoys the game and if not no bother. FFXIV isn't a game for everyone because not everyone is going to enjoy FFXIV. Anyone playing FFXIV that can take a critical eye to it is overall good for the game. There is only so much growth a game can have without player feedback.
My only suggestions to Asmon is to get some active and good Mods for his chat and have a no backseat gaming (unless Asmon is specifically asking his chat)/ and no spoiler content rules in place. I think that would probably get him to have the gaming experience he would want if he wants to give the game a fair shake.
XI was a competitor. But it never reached WoW levels. However, XI is still going 19 years strong.
I have a feeling he'll like the game. Just a gut feeling. He'll criticize FF14, but I have a feeling he'll like it.
There is a third reason he is suggested to skip. It’s because asmongold has said a bazillion times himself that he does not give a flying turd about story and wants to get to endgame. He said in his video all he wants to do is try endgame. Little does he know he has to go through 400 hours of story content to get there. It’s not going if to happen. I predict he will quit by level 50 on the main scenario dungeon where he is not allowed to skip cutscenes anymore. By the way, I do not mean to come off rude with this. It’s just you seem so surprised by people urging he skip the story when to me it is pretty obvious.
The only people saying to "skip the content" are people that have not played the content.
Good video, I think as FFXIV players we need to make sure our community doesn't clash with his community so as sort of ambassadors we need to try to convince our players not to argue.
One point, i’ve been recently been playing through arr and Also been watching asmon for 2-3 years. I’m fairly certain asmon is more gameplay driven than to the story/rp. Maybe he enjoys reading a lot but i can definetely see him feeling that ARR is a chore. I can and hope i’m wrong, but it would be nice to see him experience things outside of the MSQ of arr. Like glamour, ”proffession jobs”, eureka/bozjan etc
U can buy boost for a 2nd character. (Yes i created another character)
I guess I have played 14 for too long, I just find ARR still clunky and drawn out even with the new qol changes. But I’ve been playing since 1.0. I know Asmon wants to play DRK and HW is by far better than ARR imho. He’s made his choice to not skip though so I hope he enjoys his journey
(also dude you have a lot of retainers lol!)
No big deal.
To Asmongold- just try it. Free trial is there. Skip content or not- doesn't matter. And if he likes it or not, that is fine. Grass is green.
ARR will truly test your patience. He can try to power level with friends, but the progression is still tied with the story. Skipping cutscenes and rushing the texts will just remove the impact of the dungeons and trials. Sadly I think Asmongold will have a rough time in FF14
Its amazing how most ff14 players tell others to play how they want until their not playing how they want them to play. Skip story or not. Im not losing sleep over it. Who cares. If you feel some type of way go outside and touch some grass. No hate, just tired of all the hypocrisy.
You say at 3:12 is that people who don't like ARR are just projecting their biases on Asmond so they recommend boosting to HW, but you're doing the exact same thing. You liked ARR so you're projecting your bias and recommending he plays through the story. From what I can tell, Asmond gives little to no fucks about the story. He's more interested on the high end activities and raids. Asmond seems to know what he wants from a game and what he doesn't, and seems to be set in his ways. People recommending boosting are just taking that into account.
The entire premise of the video is flawed … you are invested in the story…. Asmingold has said that he doesn’t care about and isn’t interested in story aspect of any game. It’s not what motivates him as a player.
The reason people are giving him that advice is that they are trying to bridge the gap for “mechanical” players who are less focused on solo story and want to focus on team based end-game content.
Zack isn't most people and is starting the game for the dungeons, raids, mechs, for the gameplay, everything but the characters, story and music, as he previously stated. Y'all wanna gatekeep? That's one thing. But it would be better for him, his audience and the XIV community if he skipped through ARR.
I skipped ARR cause it's soo slow and extremely long and for me when i first tried 2 yrs ago ARR ran me right out of it . So when my friend asked me to join them even though they are all the way to shadowbringers… i could have skipped all the way to that but instead i only skipped ARR. but yeah i tell ppl to try ARR but its long and boring ….so wouldnt blame ya if you skip
They're telling him that because they haven't played through the revised ARR. It used to be painful because you'd constantly be running in to that stupid key over the quest icon telling you you need to level up to get the quest.
Now you can do absolutely nothing but the MSQ and get from 1-50 easily. In fact you'll probably be four to five levels above most of the MSQ's you're doing and be around level 55 or more by the time you even start Heavensward.
ARR is not painful at all anymore. In fact post ARR is more annoying than ARR still, even though they did edit that as well. But you'll never feel like you're not progressing or like you're being blocked from moving forward by the MSQ.
He may not care about story, but Asmongold does care about actually playing the game he's chosen. I'm thinking he refuses to skip, not because he's looking forward to the story but because he views it as not playing the game. If he's going to decide whether he likes or hates the game he's not going to skip content that may shape his opinion.
Remember, he's not an idiot. He actually likes playing games.
I love Sprouts (new players) who boosted to lvl 70 and then end up being a tank who have no clue how to play their role and what skills to use to get/keep aggro.
HIS community is telling him to skip because he's said he doesn't care about the story. He cares about combat, mechanics, and raids so they're urging him to skip the story and just play it like WoW endgame.
I think ARR can be really unengaging. I think squenix should really have the MSQ for ARR fully voice acted or at least all the major characters like the scions, faction leaders etc and the job class quests as it would be alot more engaging.
I think a lot of folks on the ffxiv side of asmon's fanbase really want to see asmon enjoy the game, which is leading to a lot of unsolicited advice (which is not stigmatized as much in ffxiv as it is in wow) that turns asmon off the game even more. I want to see asmon enjoy the game, but I don't think I or any of his viewers knows him well enough to give him advice on how he would best enjoy the game.
The only issue is, isn't he going to get stream sniped like crazy?
People say to skip because ARR is dogshit.
So he will boost and ignore 90% of the game…HOW DID I KNOW.
For me coming from WOW and literally starting ff14 last week. I played ARR for 3 days and then paid for a skip. If i hadnt done that i am sure i would have gotten burnt out. I personally care more about the endgame then the journey. I will go back and play the different Trials and raids etc. But I did not want to spend possibly 3 months to get to Shadowbringers and get burnt out by the time i got to that point just to have to then get to the endgame and get into the brutal grind of Relic weapons and all that
Here's 2 theories I have about that person
1) it could be a person who doesn't actively play and just parrots what a minority thinks
2) it could be somebody who thinks Asmongold will hate the story and thus hate the game… Without realizing how badly this worked out for Lazy Peon
There have only been 2 types of people that I have run into that do a story skip. 1. people that have already played all the way through the story and they are making an alt for either static raid or personal reasons. and 2. people that are only concerned with the hardest content a game has to offer. sadly group #2 usually come from other MMOs. They really don't know what they are missing. And the funny thing is that most FF14 vets love doing old content. More people actually going through the story gives us a way to go back and experience things again through someone else's perspective.
I've seen alot of people suggest Asmongold to skip to ShB or HW and I have disagreed vehemently everytime. Its true, it says alot about the game if the community advises anyone to skip. I've always believed to get the full experience of a game you must play it in its entirety from the beginning, regardless of what you may like or not like. Asmon may not be big on story, but he should play through it anyway because that's how the devs built the game and wants you to experience it. Even ARR. Once he gets to the endgame content it will be more meaningful, and he will know why we hype certain things or characters. He will understand the community.
I'm in not rush for end game but ARR made me want to self harm.
ARR is a slow burn in its storytelling, due in large part to the amount of world building it needs to accomplish in order for the later story to make sense. Asmongold has repeatedly said that he doesn't care about narrative games, so I think ARR is gonna bore him
I played FFXIV probably a year and a half ago. Wanting to get to raids, and knowing I had hundreds of quests ahead of me before I could take part in current raids really irked me. All my content of ARR and Heavensward was made easy because it was old with all the participants speed running it without feeling a need to stop and talk about how we're going to make it past a boss without wiping, and typically they'd have to learn the hard way before talking about what isn't being done. There were a few fights I recall having to really know well to feel like I could make it past, but just a hand full.
The quests felt like a daisy chain of obligations to get to what was needed, especially in ARR was this true, and by the end of Heavenward I was tired though intrigued of where it may go. I think I got 1/2 through Stormblood before I hit a wall of burnout running errands for the characters of the Au Ra tribes while slowly moving along the plot, but each step forward seemed to take many quests dealing with the tribes I didn't really understand all that well and working toward a competition I didn't know much about. I was a bit invested in the story, but exhaustion was much much greater despite being ignored for so long.
The need to take part in the economy was another task in crafting because I had to build that up to be financially stable trying to be upgraded well in order to tank well, and I worked on that but didn't get thrill from it though it was kind of neat, and many times better than anything I experienced from WoW.
It's too bad I didn't see how Stormblood played out, and I figured I'd be able to watch some of it online somewhere, but when I returned recently I did a boost to Shadowbringers, but I think the idea of MMO's requiring so much time and interests in the different aspects to do what you want really shown me that MMORPGs aren't for me, and I should look elsewhere. I think Warhammer: Vermintide 2 is much more fun and intense without being stressful and tedious.
I hear they cut out many of the unnecessary ARR errand running quests of ARR in particular have been removed, so many the MSQ isn't a giant slog, but gets to the point or maybe people take pride in it as a coping mechanism. I can't say with certainty that Asmon should, but I wouldn't want to redo the MSQ as I had nearly 2 years ago.
I've never seen anyone in the FFXIV community say to SKIP ARR. I've only seen people tell others to ENDURE ARR.
Because while most agree ARR is a drag, the community is well aware of how important ARR is to the story through the entirety of the expansions, as ARR builds a solid foundation for the expansions to build on.