To make it clear again: I am not defending cheating…
And we agree on having CLEAR CHEATERS in the case mentioned, which I condemn heavily.
I am defending the benefit of the doubt for those people, that might need those tools, to get on the same playing field like a normal person, as many reached out to me before this video.
However, as we also have PS4/PS5 Players out there, all 3rd Party tools can be considered an “advantage” so it is difficult to measure where cheating begings and where it ends.
That is why I am putting emphasis on the aspect of “feeling proud”, for what you achieve yourself, in the way you feel is right to do it.
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To make it clear again: I am not defending cheating…
And we agree on having CLEAR CHEATERS in the case mentioned, which I condemn heavily.
I am defending the benefit of the doubt for those people, that might need those tools, to get on the same playing field like a normal person, as many reached out to me before this video.
However, as we also have PS4/PS5 Players out there, all 3rd Party tools can be considered an "advantage" so it is difficult to measure where cheating begings and where it ends.
That is why I am putting emphasis on the aspect of "feeling proud", for what you achieve yourself, in the way you feel is right to do it.
Sorry for not making this clear enough (Still a german dumb-ass trying to articulate his thoughts as best as he can)
With leaps in logic like this you should join the Olympics, we could use another gold.
I play on console but it doesn't matter to me if people cheat or not since I'm not all that competitive. Though I haven't even unlocked any Ultimate raids, I know once I do and when I eventually win, that's all that matters to me.
looks like someone is upset
Lul. 👎
Using things to aid you in raids isnt cheating. They are, and always will be tools to progress…… Cheating would be using something to say: Do your rotation for you, a bot program to farm for you, to level for you, or something along those lines. In WoW there is an add on called Raid Alerts that times out patterns, and assists you in maneuvering into specific areas. If this is what the community calls cheating then there are issues.
Black mage is a good idea!
Jesus christ what a bad take
Keep it a buck this feels like an extension of tge ACT issue a while back. Keep in mind i know parseing is different.
Another reason why people would use it is when pug life for even CURRENT Savage raids is dead(Materia), there are no statics recruiting for P3S or P4S right now and PF is empty for Any type of Prog. There are only Farming groups or A2C groups. For a new player just starting out or someone whos has takin a break and returning to the game right now, it would almost be impossible to get through the current tier fresh progging. So they would have to use this third party system to join A2C pfs and farming pfs to get through the content. Materia is absolutely dead of current content so I would totally understand people using these third party tools for that reason. Is it cheating? Absolutely but i understand in SOME cases.
I full on botted in Linage2 at some point just to negate the amount of nolifing needed. You're not playing against anyone here nor impacting anyone by beating a boss. Whats the worst that happens here? Gear?
I love how the dev team completely changed how markers worked because of add-ons that make fights trivial but we try to find excuses for these cheaters Lmao
I think you should stick to your wheelhouse of glamour and top 5 videos. This is just such an unbelievably bad take on this.
Like, if you want to mod a single-player game to have a "story-mode" that is fine. A single player game lives on your PC alone. A game like FF14 is a shared world, owned and curated by SQEX. Every achievement, bit of data, etc is 100% the property of SQEX and we have the right to follow ToS or get banned. What is — and isn't — cheating is up to the team at SQEX and CBU3 to determine. They have defined that mods are against ToS and as it It's as simple as that.
Like, yeah I'd love to see more options for folks with various levels of ability (any UI or control input options are a great addition), but SQEX has explicitly stated that 3rd party mods are not abiding by ToS at any point and — therefore — would be considered the same as exploiting the game (aka cheating).
While I can see where you're coming from, I don't think you're adding anything to the conversation and you're missing the point the community is trying to make.
This is not an accessibility issue. It's the opposite, basically having the game played for you. It's cheating, pure and simple. Please don't make an argument for these things. It looks really bad on your reputation.
Great take man.. when I first saw the clip the first thing that popped in my head was "ok? Who cares?" The amount of people that get mad over this blows my mind. I understand completely getting mad if someone is cheating in pvp or something, because that person cheating has the ability to keep you from achieving something you want. When it comes to this it 100% doesn't affect me or anyone else but that person, and possibly their static. So why get upset over it? If they clear it and get that stuff by cheating, that's their hollow victory, they are the ones that have to live with it. It in no way does anything detrimental to me or my progression. So people, stop getting so upset, focus on you and your accomplishments, and let the devs worry about this type of stuff.
Who gives a f**, most ppl still couldnt clear the fight with those lmao.
“You don’t pay their sub” , they aren’t hurting anyone, why does everyone care???
even Desperius sounds like is defending the cheaters, it still sounds like he is trash talking em.
You have finally shown your true colors lmao
I see nothing wrong with cheating, hacking, or modding in a non competitive game.
i mean atleast they cleared the fight and atleast learned positioning ect, this isn't nearly as bad as botting
This doesn't look that much different from using deadly boss mods in wow. It tells you what to do on boss encounters. I play FFxiv on controller and don't miss mods at all. No mods and doing the mechanics right on my own is way more fun :shrug:
Would the Universalis app be considered a ban if you use it? I would think Yoshida-San would think ahead of this and beat the cheaters at their own game…
You best not doing filthyfrank dirty like that
This has nothing to do with personal player preference, when we ALL signed up to the game we ALL agreed to the terms of conditions, one of them being to not use 3rd party add-ons, its both breaking the contract they signed and cheating at the game, end of story.
Tbh this is worse then Raidaddons in WoW for me, sure DBM and WA helps a lot but its not that braindead holy shit.
I'll get so much hate for this,
yes I condemn people who cheats like this but if we look in another perspective, you as a non cheater would still get the whole 100% experience you wanna get, or even better since this means there's one less dead weight in the group, because in xiv you can't clear content by yourself, the cheats shown is for private use only, it's going to be a different scenario when the cheat easily one shot bosses etc,
However the guy who cheats is dumb af for putting all this in a stream which public could access. But just be honest, if you're one of his teammate and don't know he was cheating, you'll be happy as he's not being a dead weight yet you could still get 100% experience in DSR
All of this opinion is only applicable for noncompetitive side of xiv, it's gonna be different issue when it's about savage / ultimate race
In the end please understand that this is my opinion and it doesn't mean you need to agree with me
Still if you're that kind of guy who like to play with cheats, nobody could stop you but please save it for yourself, there's no need for you to publicly show people since this could break the game we all love
And for you anti cheaters, if you kept on discussing this, it'll only get bigger and people would realize there's access to cheats and again, will break the game we all love
So I'd say we kept doing "don't ask don't tell" policy everyone is happy cheaters and non cheaters 🙂
The utter hyppocracy of Xenos acting like this is a big deal when he was the one who went on Allcraft and told all the WoW players that cheating and mods are OK because its not cheating if it helps you clear. The guy who defended Paisley Park and said that its ok to use it is now acting like he's against mods.
I'm confused how this is even a topic for discussion. The game has bare minimum system requirements for a reason. As long as you have that, there is no reason to use any mod/cheat. What are you "evening the playing field" for? The only thing in FFXIV that is competitive is PVP, and that's done in groups with randoms now.
The game is tested to be able to be beaten with any job and at minimum system requirements. Did everyone forget why we dumped PS3 support?
The dev team even keeps adding and expanding servers to places where Players from certain regions have low latency (which could already be fixed with a vpn..)
All of the youtubers giving light to the idea that "some mods are okay" are the reason this is an even bigger issue than it needed to be. The blatant trophying of mod use or cheating is going to force the devs to drop an anti-mod hammer so big it will hit the game like easy anti-cheat hit VRChat. And any mods you thought were "okay" even just cosmetic will be gone for basic gamers.
Mods have always been a No-Show/No-Tell. What made anyone think some mods are okay? Even the rotations and move sets for all classes if idiot proof now. You have macros, adjustable UI, The devs listen and add stuff for you. So how can there ever be a possible reason to mod or cheat?
personally i run in the camp of don't ask don't tell. i mean if this person didn't broadcast it to the world to see i wouldn't even care and i doubt the community would either. i don't use addons other than a vpn cause island country makes internet issues pretty much constant and a dps meter to watch over my performance as well as changing up a few things in my rotation as well as to see if i'm dropping behind others. ( i like the added challenge and improvement of making my own rotations). i don't like cactbot but i wouldn't dissuade others if they really needed it even tho i personally hate it. i'd rather not "cheat" myself out of the experience and improvement by using it.
what this does do increasingly negatively is push SE/yoshi-p and team to outright ban all 3rd party tools, which i have many friends enjoy the rp and modding of clothes and hairstyles or chat bubbles really minor and cosmetic influences in the game. even though i don't use them i wouldn't want them or others who enjoy them and don't negatively affect anybody to lose it because some narcissist wanted to take center stage in the 3rd party tools controversy. i doubt his viewers if there were any wouldn't mention it seeing as how big of stink it leaves every time it takes the attention of the community. i swear these are the types of people who didn't have friends to tell secrets to in highschool XD
When a fight like ultimate take so much time to get it done i dont think using this tools to help is a bad thing because some people just want the weapons and dont care about the fight itself and using the hack like this you are not ruining anyone game
I don't give a shit. I don't care what title or weapon they earn. I play video games for myself. Anyone who cares needs to get a life.
Nah, I will forever shit on these people.
I'm not currently playing XIV and when I was playing I didn't feel the need of using any mods (I don't even know how to install them lol) but I wanted to say one thing.
Maybe it's because I'm coming from WoW and there everyone use mods like this to makes things the game tells to you in a more flashy way.
For example, a mod which do an high audio alert when you are standing in fire is better than looking at your character. So as I hear the sound I know I have to move.
I wouldn't condemn addons like this, XIV is waaay better on telling what to do that WoW during a raid boss fight but if someone needs an even more clear way to know what he has to do to prevent a wipe I'm fine. It doesn't affect me in any way as long as he does his things correctly.
Obviously, cheats like floating around or infinite HP (if these exists) are absolute shit and should be banned.
that road to having pride of my own progress gets greatly diminished when its discovered whether a static member is using tools to give them an unfair advantage though.
Well you sure make it sound like you are pro-cheating in your video even though you say in your comments and description that you are not.
Here is a hot take : are players taking mmorpg too seriously and forget it is first and foremost a game ?
I definitely see where you're coming from. Also gota keep in mind that these people didn't even clear the fight, and we don't even know if everyone has the cheat in their group either, could just be this single person with it.
But it doesn't change the change fact that what this person is, unfortunately blatant cheating for MULTIPLE different reasons, but here's the quick run down:
– Something telling the players, without looking at the mechanic itself that they're standing in teh right spot/looking in the right direction then what the design itself has intended.
– The mini-map showing all hidden/invisible AoE long before it happening, giving the person Level 1 Dungeon of indicator to work with.
– This person also has a tool that is doing his rotation for them. If you look at their rotation, there's not a single moment where they "pressed" the hotkey/button to activate their move.
– This person has camera distance/angle that the game cannot even give you via settings.
This person is literally having SO much advantage that normal players will never get by playing the game with its default setting. This, in the world of Sports is NO DIFFERENT to one of the players using steroids/drugs/etc to get the "Extra Edge" to try and win a match. A boxer, hiding hidden-weights in his gloves? It doesn't matter if he wins or loses, he is literally BANNED from the world of boxing for being caught. People using steroids for the Olympics just to run faster. Whether they win or lose, again, they get caught, they're banished from the world of sports. It doesn't matter if they went this far because they wanted to "Win", they did something they shouldn't have, got caught, and now banned from sports.
Square Enix made the Ultimate Fights for the players who wanted a challenge HARDER than savage, and Yoshi and his team spent ALOT of time, effort and alot of adjusting to give this to teh entire player base WHILE ALSO taking into account that there are players on PS4, PS5 and PC with different set up, internet connections, etc everything! They definitely tried their best to take all of those into account when they make these kind of content. And when a player does something like this, using so much 3rd party tool to have so much advantage in the very content that the dev team put in alot of effort into for the hardcore players to really test their skills??
Unfortunately, while there could be such a thing as "Giving a benefit of the doubt", everyone being unhappy and calling this person a "Cheater" is not in the wrong at all, and have every right to share their disappointment. And IF they do have some disabilities of some kind that makes doing ultimate content impossible for them (Natural slow reaction time, can't remember rotation/mechanic etc) and this is the only way they even have a remote-chance of experiencing it? Then fine, we understand, but the fact it was shown out to the community to the public? At that point it is their own fault for doing such a thing to begin with. They should have kept it to themselves for the rest of their FFXIV play life, then no one would have cared, or known. We know there are cheaters out there, but those people stick to themselves, never show it in public, never stream about it. Then fine, stay that way, ignorance is a bliss. But putting it out like this? Just No Bueno.
Clearing an ultimate like that gives you the same achievement as if you would race usain bolt on a 100 m track and you drive a sportscar!
Desperius man, I love you but this video was not great. I get the intention behind it, but the accessibility argument is poorly understood, let alone the sentiment behind it. I get it, there are some people who are disadvantaged, but here is the crux of the problem: Difficulty =/= Accessibility.
This is very identical to the argument behind Sekiro not having an easy mode.
To put it in the easiest terms possible: If you are color blind or you can't see the Mona Lisa, you don't modify the Mona Lisa by changing the colors or adding clay to it so you can touch it with you hand to "experience" it. By changing the Mona Lisa so that "you" can perceive it, you have warped and changed the original meaning and intention. By changing the original intent to fit your means, you have quite literally changed what intent is for everyone else but yourself.
In essence, you have went on a completely different journey and ended in a different destination comparatively to everyone else. It may be named the same, but it's not the same place.
Not a nearly strong enough condemnation of this disgusting behaviour,worst part that it's going to be hurting a LOT of innocent bystanders that don't use 3rd party tools to cheat.
I am very disappointed at this limp-wristed scolding.
Sometimes, a positive message falls flat. It's cheating, and this video, despite Desperious' pinned comment, comes off as "no big deal."
If you did not want to make a video complaining about cheating, you could have made something else.
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Looking forward to the new housing item that has you sitting on the fence.
Love how people are attacking modders and gpose enthusiasts when things like this exist. We're just trying to create art…this on the other hand is pure chaotic evil.
the actual hecc..
I don't know if the camera zoom out is considered cheating, as I know at times i prefer a different POV to help see where im going among the chaos, but still the map showing the zones, is a bit much ><
It never ceases to amaze just how far people will go in order not to actually play a game.
I happen to have short term memory issues due to ADHD that impair my function in the game. Not only would none of these tools actually help with that, but they would make my gameplay experience less fun.
I know this community makes a big deal when someone cheats but it comes with the game getting more popular and is present in all MMORPGs due to the nature of some of the more on rails boss encounters that are a test of memory. Most people are just not stupid enough to expose themselves doing it on stream…. the solution is Construct 7 Ultimate math with tethers!