Why FFXIV Economy Is So ODD | Gaming Kinda
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15:00 More Epic then You Expected
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i see a lot of stuff at 1p and think they could vendor and get more but people rather put up for 1p and it will never sell
Why go to college when you can learn economics from FFXIV market board.
There is a, "green" Shark you can catch that is level 50, in Middle La Noscea but I forget what it is called. It does, or used to, sell at a decent price.
Everything you said is correct except one thing. Green fish aren't ShB fish, they're big fish. Aka, the fish that can have crazy catch windows and can take insane amounts of time to catch. Other than that you hit the nail on the head. FFXIV's market is a mess and it's in dire need of a massive overhaul that probably isn't coming on November 19th.
Simply: players do not require the Market Board for anything. You can get all your gear and items from other sources. And if you're simply playing through MSQ, you don't need to buy anything at all.
Therefore, there is no pressing need for many players to play the economy game because it does not impact their play.
Yo you did end up posting it!! I didnât expect you to make video when I asked that question.
Not only do listings not expire if you're interacting with your retainer, they refresh when you do. I had listings from 2018 fall off because I stopped playing the game for a few years. When I came back in March 2020 and pooled all my money on that character all my expired auctions from, I say again, February of 2018 relisted when I interacted with those retainers.
2:22 "if you have to go to emergency room, you are not price shooping"?
where do you live that you have to pay for that? I been a few times in emergency rooms to get an operation and a few weeks after i got some good money from my insurence.
at least all kinds of items do sell from low lvl mats to high, in wow its very very rare for those things to selll
I've actually made gil by just finding something up for less than vendor price and buy all of it and vendoring it…
You layed out the flaws, next do a video of what would fix it. You briefly touched on other games systems and it would be interesting to have the same level of break down on what they do better.
isnt that good for newer people? price of item wont go skyrocket because of inflation.
You're complaints about the MB are valid, but you also don't list some of the positives of it (depending on pov)
1. As a Seller, I hate having to constantly re-list due expiration, like in wow. It costs me more money, is a major pain in the ass, and makes it less worthwhile to list items due to actually having to consider the listing cost
2. I would argue that constant downward pressure is better for everyone. Keeps anything from becoming expensive and more importantly – makes people that don't care about money/economics etc in their mmo – not need to actively engage with it. Money is not hard in FF, as you say.
3. Having listing caps per retainer is a good way to ensure a far larger percentage of items have value, since as a seller you need to consider how much a listing slot is worth to you. I for one rarely list anything less than 1k, and I am probably about to revise that higher. Just isn't worth the slot at lower than that. Associated to this, items have an upward pressure for most people because of the cap. Many, many, many items would be worth far less if you had infinite listings.
Just something to think about.
The mb is there just to save time. Thatâs it
FINAL FANTASY XIV has the best economy in its genre.
It is amazing. You can earn money, buy tons of things, and take advantage of the careless to become richer.
Tons of Gil are needed in FINAL FANTASY XIV in order to acquire all these Mounts, Minions, Orchestrion Rolls, Boardings, 1.0 tokens, Hairstyles, Emotes, Furnishings, RP Services, Gear, Glamour, Crafting Materisls, Materia, Submarine and Airship Parts, new Houses, Teleport cost, etc.
PS: It is not breaking the marketboard if someone lists an item in Vendor Prices.
PS2: You do not have to be communicated anything. Market adjusts with demand. Huge proof is that so many servers in the same data center have roughly the same prices.
Hugely healthy market.
Marketboard =/= Economy.
used market board when starting to get better gear
after I was done with MSQ I only go to it to get my roasted chickens
The constant downward push helps combat inflation – with so few gil sinks in the game (two mounts and Housing (Savage) being the only major ones), less gil changing hands has to be achieved in other ways.
Hey Chris Great video! keep up the great work! Very informative, with that said I don't entirely agree with the style of market you put forward.
I understand where you are coming from, but I agree with the direction they have taken with regards to the market board. To explain why, let us go back in history to the Hay-day that is FF11. Way back in at the peak of FF11 90% of all items can be listed on an Auction. This Auction house is what is Known as a Blind Auction, you can see only what items have sold for and not what items are posted for. You have no way of checking prices other than slowly climbing your bid upwards until you won the auction.
players undercut others by using strange gil amounts to get their items to sell first such as
Fire Crystal stack sells for 2k, set your price at 4973 or some strange number to insure you get 5k from people too lazy to price probe and ensure your item sells first. Selling items quickly was important because you only get 7 Auction slots and tying up a slot on a slow selling item was never worth it. (That is what the player Bazar was for)
In some of the best items you could get were drops from NMs (Notorious Monsters, Think S rank and A rank Hunts that drop useful gear for players). This system worked fine until, the Bots and Gil-sellers came. These Bots and Gil-Farmers Literally ruined the game. The economy Descended into Hyperinflation. That stack of Fire Crystals that sold for only 2K? At the height of the Disaster were selling in some cases for 100K a stack. If you were an average player and you needed something, and the market board was too expensive? Good luck. Go farm what you need? You canât the Bots and Gil-farmers are all camping those locations. SE was Forced to make Drastic Changes across the board and Gil-farmers and bots always seemed to stay one Step ahead of them.
The Market Board in FF14 functions the way it does with this downward market pressure as a means to combat Bots and Gil-farmers. Who is most likely to buy gil in the first place? Your average player who needs that thing but doesnât have time to farm the gil for it. They force prices to remain low so people who would normally buy gil donât have a need to. They want gil to feel worthless to the average player, so you are less incentivized to buy it from 3rd party sellers. A great deal of how the market board functions is a result of painful lesions from FF11.
One things thatâs annoyed me is that I have to go out of the retainer interface completely to buy something. Like, if Iâm about to make a listing and I see a ton of that item below the vendor, I have to exit out of like 3 screens and be near a MB.
What I would not give for a buy order system in this game. Something like that would actually give an incentive for somebody to actively pursue trying to make money with guarantees of profit. I've always hated a system where I basically have to just hope somebody wants the things that put up on the market board / auction house
Everyone's constant visits to the board make pricing fluctuate wildly, much like day trading in real life. What we need is a way for players to buy the things they want at a price they deem fair without constant study of the Market Board. One way to keep players from constantly price checking would be allow us to to make a buy offer and have other players respond.
you dont even need an economy class to figure this much out. like damn SE do something
This is a great video, Chris! I mentioned on a recent video that I really only started following Work to Game because of your marketboard videos from back in the day, and I appreciate watching you all discuss the nuances of the game's economy.
Idk, I never went super ultra hard on the economy and I've accrued over 100m, granted some was spent on some things here and there, just gradually going about things over time. There are some items that sell for a lot. And, you can buy low on one server, and sell high on another. Also, some drops from treasure hunting is worthwhile, as is some items from retainers. Crafting when new stuff comes out can be very lucrative too if done right. As for the purpose of gil? Buying expensive mounts you don't want to farm for. Getting vanity items sooner rather than later. Housing. It's alright, but it's kind of a casual need system. I guess if you have no gil at all it can feel rough, but you don't need a whole lot to mostly feel adequate, generally speaking.
I keep saying the game needs more gil sinks, yet people just bitch at me when I do. XIV isn't the best example of a functional economy and the player base seems to prefer it that way.
The heart thing only means someone has hearted it, it doesn't necessarily mean there's demand for it.
I have hearted stuff that i just saved as an option if i can find something better, yet i have never bought anything i hearted.
Also some people heart stuff they just can't afford right now, but then by the time they can afford that item, they have found something better.
I have to admit, even after several years of playing this game, I know nothing about its economy. đ Sure Iâve made Gil, even a few millions on occasion. But if you ask me how, Iâll just go: random luck? There were a few times when I wanted to make Gil for something specific so I would farm/collect/gather items and sell them. At this moment I make a very modest 50k every couple of days thanks to my retainers. Thatâs it. Iâm far away from having enough money to buy the âgoldâ mounts but Iâm not focusing on getting them at this time. Whether the system of FF14 economy works properly is too complex a question for me. It would be fair to say that itâs not perfect and could be improved upon. But thatâs true for most things. đ Interesting insight video Chris. Thank you. Stay safe. â¤ď¸