Asmongold draws the MMO Andy chart for WoW, FFXIV, Lost Ark and New World. Which one are you?
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I quit SoM after some turd named 'Papak' in Jom Gobbar ninja'd the ZG raptor mount from me. WoW Classic was amazing and everyone was helpful and seemed to have a great experience. Chasing the dragon only lasts for so long. The community I encountered in SoM was drastically different. Toxic and abrasive in every way. I had a terrible time playing SoM but that's just me. The communities in these other games I have no idea about but so far, WoW takes the cake.
New world doesn have a community, wows is probably the most toxic, though lost arks is close especially in pvp(atleast until the wow players leave), as long as you aren't an asshole the FFXIV community is really nice.
(Until you pug savages).
Also lost ark isn't pay to win, it's pay to get to the content faster. That being said a free to play character is going to get there eventually anyway so I'd you spend money on thos game you are wasting your money.
Definitely FF. I've seen many MMO fans criticising their own fan base for toxicity, but literally every FF fans says out loud and thinks themselves they are not toxic + literally the most polite and best fan base period. They have no self reflection, and just flames other games and fanbase so much, it is tiring.
Its definitely WoW because of how toxic the devs are to the players and their game design. At least i haven't heard from the other game devs going on Twitter and attacking fans or actively destroy 15 years worth of player investment.
Chat Andy's
Lost Ark is probably the least toxic. havnt seen any toxicity in Lost Ark.
but then again community feels pretty dead on eu servers. guilds and area chats are completely dead xD
I love how FF, according to his own list, has more problems, but Asmon seems to enjoy it more than any of the others lol
Off-topic, but that horizontal line was at the exact middle and I was super happy because of that
People who say that the FF community isn't outwardly toxic on occasion never did Bozja duels when they were relevant (especially before Notoriety). If you got in and fucked up, it was an outright salt tsunami that would follow a lot of the time.
That being said I'd say the game has a less toxic community than WoW's. I've watched new players be told to kill themselves just because they didn't pull enough in a dungeon in WoW. Only ever seen something like that happen once in my 4 years of playing FF and he got vote kicked immediately.
Makes me wonder what kind of community will ashes of creation foster when it eventually comes out.
FF XIV has a passive aggressive overly sensitive community since they're all future or lgbtqrstuvlmnop
Lost Ark was really missing "Flame anyone for watching a cutscene"
Is this even a question its got to be wow by a million.
this is easy.
WoW's community is toxic to everyone.
FF14's community is toxic only if you hit the like really hard core fucking fans and you try to talk shit about the game or if you try to say anything bad about yoshi p ( honestly tho the man is great)
Lost ark is toxic to their own players and try to cope saying the game isnt p2w and you can "take your time" while never getting to end game.
And last but not least New World, the game who thinks its still popular and relevant but only has 24k players and they are toxic to the dev's and each other once politics come in.
I tried my luck with LFR for the first time today in forever. Immediately it was a toxic cesspool of negativity. I think I'm getting too old to play these online games and inviting all of that into an activity that is suppose to be fun.
A texan who wants to ban gambling? I've never seen that before. lol. Belgium doesn't ban gambling. You just have to get that loicense. The whole system is designed explicitly for the state to monopolize gambling. lol.
wow is more sexist, that's why almost every guild or group has heard some dumb variation of how women only play priests and hunters.
Also the voice acting. The voice acting even in Warcraft 2 was sick.
SC sick voice over
Diablo same thing.
Then there's the music.
It wasn't just hte gameplay with Blizzard back then it was the entire shit.
Could add Guild Wars 2 as a footnote to that grid, something along the lines of "Will pop up every now and then to try and convince people that their game exists."
(Hopefully unnecessary disclaimer: This is a joke.)
refaceting high rank gems is gambling. spending large silver hoping to hit that top tier gem in just a couple of rolls. I do that a lot. Been more lucky than i should be. usually 2-5 goes.
Hit a level 7 Demonic Skill Damage T3 gem 2nd roll. (One of the 2 gems demonic impulse uses). Slapped it on AH for 13k gold. I have a level 6 and i need gold to buy silver for honing more than i need a few extra % damage
The Amount of "NWords" I've heard playing in the Top 10 RBG Teams on WoW…. Made me quit the fucking game. That community is so toxic
World of Warcraft, no need to even watch this video.
Never Critize WoW either. you forgot that one, Fanboy
Literally everything he said about FFXIV is WoW more than FFXIV except the skipping cinematics.
I've been playing TBC more than retail lately getting rdy for Wrath and maybe it's just my server but i literally never really see anything that's sexist in WoW or toxic behavior in general.
You get those derps talking politics in LFG and others malding over it. But I see more toxic behavior in a youtube comment section than I have in WoW lol.
Those bullet points for WoW are pretty spot on though. The rushing through everything so I can go afk in Shatt, the parsers which is more of an issue in retail than classic IMO.
In classic it's not that big of an issue if you have ppl worried about parsing since there isn't much you have to do during a fight, unlike retail bosses.
And not giving new players a chance is definitely common. I'm all for helping someone out, but there is so much info out there about WoW you don't need someone to hold your hand.
The elitism based on accomplishments from 10 years ago describes Asmon perfectly lol
NGL, I am glad Asmongold is playing different games. The only reason I picked up ER was because I saw the Radahn fight.
I like Lost Ark; the way it looks. But I hate how It wasnt the West and how it's littered with N.K. gacha. Like Asmon, go F urself dude. You know the difference between a casino and a loot box but he won't admit it's much much worse.
Go make the welfare morons in ur chat waste money and bring us all down more wont you? bro; play some single player games if your that uptight
Toxicity is going to be found everywhere, no matter the game. When I played WoW, the toxicity came in the form of outright aggression, calling me bad for being a new player (no kidding? First MMO of that style and my first ever dungeon and I'm not going to be great at playing with a team? Who'd have guessed?), and it never really seemed to get better. One of the reasons I didn't end up sticking with the game, despite absolutely loving what I had seen thus far of the way the different classes worked, subclasses, etc (Mists of Pandaria).
Meanwhile, in FF14, the toxicity tends to largely come about in an entirely different way. You'll see people that get overprotective of the story, becoming aggressive if people don't like it or opt to skip it. A side effect of deep emotional investment not exclusive to FF14, but to any fandom really. Doubtless there are people like that for WoW's lore too, though fewer and further between. The other way the community can be toxic is through toxic positivity. An overprotective belief that offering tips is being aggressive, even when only done out of a desire to genuinely help, and an overacceptance of poor play to the point a 10 minute duty takes over 30 minutes because people do not wish to be held accountable for their own poor playing.
They're both toxic, but very, very different in nature and how they come about. It's actually a very interesting thing to dissect at times and see the differences between. There's no need to comment on the nutjob tribalists that run around shitting on other games though just to get a rise, be it WoW players, FF14 players, Lost Ark players, Barbie's Adventures in Shopping or whatever the hell players… Doesn't matter. If you're out doing that just to be a stain on your own underwear, you're the ape you're trying to make everyone else out to be. Idgaf which game you come from. Can it.
Gambling issues are for that chance even if 100+ times of loosing and getting that win, the win is what gamblers are addicted to, doesn't matter how many times they fail if they can just get that one chance they will go for it. That's why gambling problems are really bad for those that are addicted to that sort of stuff.
Destiny 2 has the worse community
Wow 100%
oh god I had to stop when he started making the WoW negative stereotypes. Like, bruh, people think way worse shit about wow players than the soft balls you're throwing at it lol
Eh they’re all pretty interchangeable. I’ve had some more bright spots in FFXIV but that’s anecdotal at best.
It's hard to shit on the FF14 community because they are positive at most times but God damn they need to learn how to take negative opinions sometimes
Arbiter of gaming seems exaggerated. There's got to be some kinda difference between looking for an unbiased opinion, or insight, as oppose to "Saviour of games that we desperately want to be good again." – Not to say that he has no influence within the gaming sphere, but people often label him as the messiah, or a toxic NEET bitch. This same thought process can be targeted to the XIV community, and the constant worship of Yoshi-P. I love XIV and Division III as much as the next person, but the game has issues just like every other game.
is it just me, or does the Final Fantasy XIV andys are more hilarious than the others!?
New World has a community?
I've had less than 10 bad player experiences in total in FFXIV since I started playing in 2017. Meanwhile, I quite literally can't go a single day of playing WoW without having some sort of bad experience. Hell, back when I was spamming dungeons for my hunter legendary damn near every single run was a horrid experience in terms of player attitudes and behavior. I can't speak for New World as I never played it, and I still can't decide on Lost Ark. I feel like LA has some nasty toxic aspects but more positive environments to offset it than WoW does.
I think what kills WoW's community is that there's almost nothing in the game that doesn't involve competition in some form. And it doesn't help player moods when it's so full of things that exist only to irritate players unnecessarily. FFXIV and LA have better blends of types of content and ways to engage with it.
Instead of Arbiter of Gaming, how about the Master Chief of Gaming…
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I'll see myself out.
what is an "andy"?
WOW IS CRINGE MAN
"i dont think gambling is a problem in lost ark" – asmongold 2022
Asmon is right about many things. I'm often quite surprised at just how knowledgeable he is on a vast array of topics. It's often past a surface level too i.e. he has highly nuanced views on many complex problems. Usually, if he doesn't understand a topic he will just say 'I dont know' which is quite rare.
With that out of the way. He is fundamentally wrong about gambling i.e. what it is, people's motivations around it.
Gambling doesn't have to be as basic as 'I spend $10 for a chance at $100' (LA fits this anyway). At a surface level, you are gambling currency for a stronger character. The second order effect is you can do more challenging content, more likely to be picked for raid groups etc. The third order effect is this – acceptance (this changes slightly if you are predominately a solo character). In real money terms, this may cost $150 or $1500. You can also trade this for time, but p2w focuses on the trade of $ for time being a good deal.
So why do people gamble? When does it cross the threshold to being dangerous? This may shock non gamblers, and even some gamblers. Problem gamblers don't gamble to win. If you know of any gamblers or are one yourself, there is a feeling that never ever goes away – it's never enough. How many stories have you heard of someone gambling $10, winning $1000 then coming out with $0? Why would a gambler stop if they have $1000 of the casinos money (that's how they think, despite it having a logical answer)? Why is the story so common? It's because gamblers aren't paying to win. They are paying for the rush, this is often called 'the zone' by problem gamblers. You're essentially paying to be in the zone. This path can lead to the path of addiction if not addressed.
The unfortunate thing with gambling addiction is there is much less help out there than for alcohol or drug addiction. Despite it essentially being a more expensive shitter drug. It's much easier to hide than a drug addiction. It's often just as psychologically damaging though. CBT works for a lot of people, GA is much less effective than AA which already has dismal results.
No talk about how toxic some WoW players were in his chat whenever he played FFXIV? Most of the perceived toxicity is probably from FFXIV players responding to trolls which he was fully aware of and allowed WoW trolls to bait which made the chat complete shit and he'd always eventually get tired of it. Of course, since he's still a WoW player his bias is with WoW but he set up the chat to be toxic by not setting the boundary.
Also, have an issue with him stating that the community doesn't accept criticism when more often than not it's just the community calling out people who lie about playing a part of the game they're critiquing. For example, someone saying the story is shit if the person decided to buy a skip and proceeds to skip dialogue and scenes. People can play how they like period– the line is drawn when it comes to having a strong opinion over something they haven't tried.
Lost ark is the worst community ive ever seen in an mmo. WoW is really bad, but lost ark takes the cake. Just look at their forums. Its nothing but people ripping each others heads off (whiteknight shills vs doomers). In game, people constantly force party quits over the slightest bit of complication. Literally dont even let the party get to teh boss sometimes because they dont like someones dps. Then theres the morons gatekeeping with engravings at t3 when the content is so ridiculously easy you dont even need engravings. Funniest is when they gatekeep supports then cry on forums theres no supports. Honestly ive never seen an mmos community turn to absolute toxic slugde in such a short period before. Theyve def set a new bar