The Final Fantasy XIV Mod problem is only getting worse with Square Enix refusing to take a stance on which mods can and can’t be used, while designing fights that require the use of third party tools in Party Finder. Xeno Rants about Mods in FFXIV.
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Seems like it's a standstill between dev team and Xeno's expectations – Xeno seems to think devs should modify game design to match player behaviour (using AM etc). FF14 devs seem to think players should modify their behaviour to match game design (TOP fight design does not technically require AMs). It's an interesting discussion to have
If you imagine a world where nobody knew what AMs are, then I am sure people will try to come up with a "pf proof" strategy for TOP phase 5. For example, people who have reversed NA debuff in p8s will constantly jump to indicate that their fire/ice order is reversed. TOP phase 5 is way harder to solve than that, but the idea is same: people will always come up with a method to indicate and adjust. Or they will just take the simple road and just use AM, which the majority of people do, which is why Xeno is saying they shouldn't design fights that people will use AM to get around the design.
Personally, I don't see why adjusting and priority movement is any different from all other factors that make you better at the game. I am pretty sure that if people practiced a priority like MT-D4 enough times, they'll be able to do it. Is there something that's so different about party priority that makes it too difficult? Snake 2 requires you to have party priority and I don't see people putting AM in pf description. I don't think devs are at fault for designing fights with priority adjusts in mind. It's unfortunate that the community sentiment seems to be "it's too hard" or "it's a waste of time" rather than "let's practice this mechanic" though.
When I first made Paisley Park, it became mandatory in raid and SE reacted by fundamentally changing how waymarks worked in combat. I totally get why they did it, and I didn't want to fight against their decision. I mainly just wanted presets in the game, and SE didn't deliver so I took matters into my own hands. Obviously, it grew beyond that as a helper into a mandatory raid tool.
With BDTH (Bernie) I've made sure to keep it as close to vanilla as possible to not attract any unwarranted attention from SE over it. I believe that it's just a helper for people to not have to do tedious glitches to make nice looking houses in a video game. Obviously I'm biased, but I do think it's fine to have something that is just QoL or cosmetic.
In case Yoshida/SE is reading this, this is all just a joke.
Sludge he's looping again
Here’s another advantage to playing on PC: Hrothgar and Viera Hats mod.
I literally have to mod the game to make it playable for me. Now the kneejerk reaction might be "NO YOU DONT!!!" I'm colourblind; I've tritanopia and can only see things in what you would consider shades of red and blue (and sometimes purple, but it depends). I can't see shit in UWU, UCOB and TEA, but have learned how to identify things, but DSR is an absolutely miserable experience because I KNOW I can do it, but because the accessibility options in the game are horseshit, I can't see anything regardless of if it's on or off (quick example, sanctity; I have to put my camera parallel with the floor to see if I have a sword because I can't see it otherwise as it blends into the floor).
The fights themselves aren't designed with colourblindness in mind; yes theres playstation markers and stuff which makes identifying where you've gotta stand a lot easier ect, but the actual arena's themselves aren't designed from grayscale, tuned until everything is visible and THEN have colour added to them; there's no contrast, so colourblind mode for me literally is the same problem but in shades I can see slightly better.
I wouldn't have to mod the game if the fights were designed with accessibility in mind in the first place – I'm NOT saying ultimates should be easier. Accessibility for people who can't see shit but wanna do a fight =/= make it easier for me specifically. I just wanna see the fuckin' chains on the eyes dawg and identify them off rip instead of squinting at which eye I'm stapled to.
I can guarantee that if SE allowed mods (or some at least), the vocal idiots wouldn't be majority console players, they'd be the modding community. If they allowed "all" mods, there is a 100% chance that MANY mod users would do exactly what they're doing now. Showcasing how fucking stupid they are by pushing obvious boundaries. "They said we can use mods, why would my mod that plays the game for me get me banned!? FUCK YOU SE!!!!!!!"
If only specific types of mods were officially allowed, mod users would do the same thing in the exact same way. No one subscribes to the "just shut the fuck up about it and do your own thing!" mentality that people really need to have. These are the same types of idiots who would post pictures of the money they stole from a bank on Twitter, simply because it'll draw attention to them… a clear priority over any evidence of "complex" brain function.
So why is this a guarantee? We literally see this sort of thing happen in everything in life. If we didn't the old saying of "give someone an inch, they'll take a mile" wouldn't exist. In context of XIV, the very mod situation is overwhelming evidence of that. People are so brazen as to publicly show their usage of mods/plugins/addons to actually cheat on streams. People are stupid enough to ask if a certain mod is okay, despite literally being told by Yoshi-P and GMs/CMs that their official stance is all 3rd party tools are not allowed.
People are stupid enough to not recognize what is universally reasonable as a 3rd party tool that they won't take action on (e.g. Discord), ones they would (e.g. bots), and all the ones in the middle (e.g. ReShade). The ones in the middle imply you are at risk of a ban at varying degrees depending on what the mod itself is/does. It's that simple. Once you cross that threshhold of obviously won't take action due to it having absolutely no direct interaction with the game (e.g. Discord), you are violating their ToS to the point of having risk assessment. It's that simple.
WENZ BENZ Sludge
I run ultimate and savege run on console, and learn the all in my head, so you saying that "if you on console you need a pc player in your team" is bull's
What are the chances square ever goes the modern FPS route of hand-holding console players? COD and Apex let console players straight up cheat with over-tuned aim assist and stuff like Cronus Zen.
There's an important step between having a policy and enforcing it. SE has a clear "no 3rd party allowed at all" policy. It's very black and white.
The enforcement of this policy however is very flexible. It's essentially "don't ask, don't tell". Enforcement only comes as a result of publicizing the mods or if the result of the mod is a significant reduction in the quality other players' experiences (both direct and indirect).
Not too long ago at the end of Shadowbringers, streamers were modding their UI without too much concern. After DSR, SE gave some streaming raiders with mods a slap on the wrist, and all the streamers were quick to adjust when they realized there would be enforcement. Then there was a bigger slap on the wrist for ToP, more reaction, and an even more disappointed YoshiP.
Coming from WoW, where mods have resulted in a hard arms race in encounter design, I'd prefer they keep it this way. There's a big difference between "this one phase in ToP is far easier with automarkers" and "this boss is impossible at the world first level without the additional information you get from mods". Some encounters are like trying to do TEA Fate Calibration without the Codex buff (addons are the codex buff). It's gotten to the point where addons are so ingrained in the culture and development of the game that Blizzard is meeting with addons developers to get them to agree to exclude certain information from the mods.
I think its time to make an ANTI CHEAT and delete all these fuckn mods lol
add keyboard and mouse support to console all problems solved lol
They have taken a stance on mods – it's that you're not allowed to use them. People are just using them anyway.
They cant tell what mod youre using bro what is you not understanding
They have a definite stance on what mods can be used, and that's none of them, but that they also don't check to see if players are being truthful about using them. Saying discord is a third party tool only proves that Square's take of not wanting to talk about it is correct: the moment you make a hardline stance on what is and isn't acceptable, people will just start pushing the envolope towards that line. The only thing that will ever change this is if Square takes the old school runescape approach – allow certain third party mods/clients and when one adds a feature that isn't ok, give a verbal warning that any player caught using it after a certain date is banned. But in old school's case there's some form of an anticheat to prevent people circumventing the mod bans by downloading them from non-official sources.
Mods make yall weak af im out here drifting in my all white stock Trueno '86 like Takami Fujiwara n shit still smokin yo ahhh in PVP n out DPSing all yall no cap…
Square did take a stance. The stance is that mods and altering the game in any way shape or form is illegal. You may not like it but that’s always been perfectly clear. Why do you feel the need to beat a dead horse? Just use your mods and plug-ins and auto markers discretely like the rest of us.
Cap, they’ll ban people for mods and reuse same models and complain why people use mods for outfits n shit, dude we already got the same recycled dungeon gear and it’s 2023 no Covid excuse and we’re getting the same shit dude
I love doing housing decoration. I learned sink and float anything on my own but when I started using bdth it’s the difference of taking 10 minutes to float a partition to a certain height and the 30 seconds it takes to adjust it with burning. I feel like the way you can move items with bdth would have been how they’d move objects if they’d updated the housing system…ever.
If you think it's bad now, it will cause much much more problem if they make a stand.
1. people will start argue which ones are okay and not…so you think this is ok? the other guy think it's not, you think that's not ok? other guy says its ok! who's the standard?
2. If Square came out and give the stamp of approval, and something went wrong with that mod, like I don't know…like malware? now they're in deep shit. because they approved it.
3. Of course they know there are some that's okay to them, it's just custom mod, they don't give a fuck, but they need to take actions, they need to have that line, regardless what kind of mod.
It's not even about consol or PC, they just don't want to open that door.
Been playing since 1.0, been on console since arr
Would like mods but I'm not bothered
Raiding with mods isn't a factor to me though as I have a brain
Raiding with pc players that have callout bots is funny af because they still fuckup despite having all that shit lel
Not against any of it, just proves that I have more of a brain
The problem is: Consoles. Because consoles can't have them, no one can have them.
That is largely how Squeenix thinks.
With that said, their stance is lackadaisical, and they have yet to implement any kind of anti-tamper (e.g. Denuvo).
So it's hard to argue their position isn't "use them if you must, but don't ask, don't show, and don't tell".
the console take here is based as fuck. like, it's great the game is more accessible to more people, it should be that way. but that shouldnt mean we kneecap what PC players can do for fairness reasons particularly when the game isn't hyper competitive except for the very small slice of world first players who are more likely than not on PC anyways
the thing with the cousins is as long as they dont full on make a fight clearable for someone I dont care. things like chat bubbles, bard players, houseing, hair mods etc I litterally dont care these are things that dont affect me and if I decided to use them just make the experience better.
last thing we want is what happened to WOW the fights have to be designed much harder and account for the cousins its better to not have the cousins in that scenario
I love how everyone who just tells people to "get good" and not use markers or saying third party is bad, either don't raid and sit in limsa all day, or play with a static, completely disregarding the fact that SE even mentioned discord being Third party at some point.
Some people in the community are either just as out of touch as the devs, or just completely braindead
i realy love ffxiv but without cousins i wouldnt play it at all, doesnt matter how much i love it
There are literally ZERO issues with taking your cousins along when playing the game, it's been like this for years. No one is ever gonna check what you're running on your PC.
Getting an official stance from SE wouldn't change anything at all as mods would keep being as widespread as they already are.
Xeno's ranting on mods because he wants to use them on stream, it has to be that otherwise I see no reason to be this mad
Anything that doesn't effect anyone else or give unfair advantages then it's fair game imo.
To be fair, they really don't need another problem on their plate considering they require more time now to develop major patches. Officially acknowledging types of mods that are "okay" to use probably requires its own dedicated team for reviews and possibly legal team. Beside nobody wants WoW shituation where plugins are mandatory tools for raiding. Plus that actually creates community vs community situation where plugin users heavily chastise non-users.
We're going to lose hardcore content before they take a stance. The customers are sending a clear message that they don't want to be challenged and want the rewards handed to them.
I play on both PC and PS5, cleared every Ultimate on both so it's not impossible. Some fights are easier on PC that's true. Also you can build a dirt cheap PC and you can mod the game to oblivion and still run amazing since the engine is ancient and they dont intend to change it
I do think mods should be straight up all bannable but I do also think SE could do with getting there head out of there ass and implement new features and cosmetics that are within reason. Like beards and what not should fucking be common sense to add better features for the hud like I learned after 24000 hours in this game that my dots have a slightly different color on the boss but the color is so fucking stupidly just the slightest fucking shade of green that it looks white. Mods would not be as much of a issue if they actually put in work towards character customization hud and ffs give a personal parser and people wouldn't all run to the 2rd party one and none of those thing are something that held back by console even thought the ps4 should be killed of at this point.
Modification is not wrong as long as nobody uses it to ruin everybody else's day enough said.
All I'm gonna say is that buying a generic gaming pc costs about the same price as a ps5 but doesn't limit you as much as one.
i love the mods. sorry. the skill effects mods and cosmetics are GREAT.
I think all of the "JP player mostly play on console so its unfair for them if they can't use it" situation is bs. Take a look at Xeno last video, there is jp subtitlte written by some jp dude because they also want to do the glitch / use the plugin, right? I might be wrong but this is my take
i like how someone tried to blame wow players for the mods as if ppl havent been using automarkers since uwu lmao