Xeno continues reading the Den of Geek Final Fantasy XIV Endwalker “Every Class Ranked Worst to Best” article, this time the healer part. This might just be the worst FFXIV tierlist ever made.
Den of Geek article: https://www.denofgeek.com/games/final-fantasy-14-endwalker-classes-ranked-tank-healer-dps/
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"Scholar is a secondary healer": as I literally solo healed an entire raid last night as a scholar because every other healer there was absolute trash and kept dying.
If you want to talk about "potent heals", talk about macrocosmos. That spell is broken
Bully game journalists until they play the game they're reviewing.
early game sage is the worst healer. does next to nothing.
thats funny cause xeno shat on expient too
They got rid of Noctirnal Sect because literally nobody used it over just bringing a Scholar.
Is this a “Most Fun to Play” list? Cause if this is “Best for Group Play” we’re gonna need to break down categories more than “fun” and having that “special something.” Different playstyles appeal to different people.
Glare spamming plus Assize into a nuke once every minute and a half (the lily dmg is a dps lost for the record) feels less fun to me than Scholar managing Energy Drains with their healing recourses, but that’s just an opinion. I wish these articles would reference data from Fflogs or compare skills instead of saying fun to play.
Theese journalist tier lista are hilarious haha
Hard to say exactly where healers rank atm without savage/ultimate but WHM is severely lacking in the Ogcd kit/mitigation compared to the others and lillys/ lily bell are just clunky to use.
This is some good brain damage out of the gate 😌
Ast is very good for emergency healing
i agree
I don't even know why anyone would make a healer tier list like this. All the healers have so much healing power that we spend 90%+ of our time not healing because it's just not needed. The best way to rank healers is literally just to bring up FFlogs and rank them by rDPS because that's all that really matters at the end of the day.
Lemme fix this list:
1- Sage
2- SCH
3- AST
4-WHM
I really wanna talk about WHM! I get so maaaaad when people say WHM it’s an amazing class. Holy fuck this class is garbage compared to the other healers, if at least glare had the potency of Dosis would it make batter, the fucking bell cooldown it’s super long, and this garbage class have now mana issues. I see no reason to use whm outside ultimates cuz plenary + cure 3 or another aoa heal can make a big impact.
If I had to point out everything wrong with WHM I will write a bible.
As a WHM main….I assume this article author is as well….WE MUST BAND TOGETHER TO EMBRACE THE COPIUM WE MUST SMOKE BECAUSE OF THE STATE OUR JOB IS IN. Hot take. Put WHM to rank 4 and reread the article. Would be more accurate to even what the reasonings say.
I scholared my way through arr, I scholared my way through hw, I scholared my way through sb, I scholared my way through shb and by fucking god I’m gonna scholar my way through Endwalker.
Also regarding expedient: the article just overlooks that movement is sometimes the best healing or shielding.
Is this author the same guy that thought Mudras on NIN were complicated and too hard to follow?
Funny, because from what I've read whm has the worst mp management issues, especially in a recovery/post Rez situation and their new ability (liturgy of the bell) is a bit clunky to use. Sage/scholar seems to be the general consensus top healer pair once a fight is learned (an AST and sage or scholar pair seems to be the best for learning and prog).
2:35 ~ , your "I bet someone has been reported for using expedient" , so dude I was in a facebook group where I was talking about how good it was going to be (pre-endwalker when we just saw the class abilities) and I was saying HOW GOOD it is going to be, esp for BLM to get that last touch of a cast off then get out of an AoE, and i had someone vehemently arguing with me how its an awful ability because it changes the "feeling of my characters response to movement too much and I won't enjoy it"
DUDE. it's like when we were in Castrum in Bozja and people used that ability that made everyone run quicker, it made it so much more fun. More speed has always been good, and even a dps increase for melee classes – that's why in WoW the old school +run speed enchant was a huge desire for optimization
Seriously, you are correct, people are dumb to report/hate on this stuff.
Concern uwu strummer?
When are we going to start putting journalists into camps? In Minecraft of course.
SCH is the DRK of healers, barely any changes or additions XD
All of the healers are great. The simple reduction to cast times allowing white mage and scholar to weave much easier probably was the single most beneficial change to those two classes. Also to say astro is "streamlined" is a joke when Squeenix just gave them a bunch of new ogcds to micro manage on top of what they already had (rest in peace sleeve draw). I disagree with the term combat healer for sage, they are a balls check for tanks as sage's kit encourages them to ignore the tank if they aren't going wall to wall or are just too slow as sage can get more damage if they apply their shield to themselves and the tank and have their shield break before the tank can aggro things (diagnosis shield in combat at the cost of a gcd is a damage loss), also it is funny to point out that spell speed does not work on eurkrasia buffed abilities so if we ever get a tier with tons of spell speed for healers sage's dot and gcd shields would cause gcd drifting.
For me uptime dpsing and enjoyment are most important, with that in mind I say whm then sge
Expedient during waves in EX2 is the best shit ever
AST has literally THE MOST healing output on the logs rn, this journo is smoking crack.
Scholar gives me raid zoomies
Every single SCH I've ever met hates how the class plays nowadays. If you look at big, massive polls about which class people find the least fun, think needs a rework the most, and are planning to main the least, SCH always leads by MILES. Not to mention number of parses that exist for each healer since EW, SCH is in a really sad place.
I'm baffled that someone like him who is generally so aware of class related things is so blind about how fucked SCH is. It doesn't matter that it's viable for content if no one WANTS to play it. HW BRD was viable too, and still no one wanted to play it because everyone hated HOW it played. "Fun" is an important metric too, and even if we are JUST talking balance, the job it is directly pitched against, sage, is just on a completely different level.
Withe them moving ast to straight healing with the removal of noct
Catagory needs 2 spots shield healers and regen healers.
I find sage and sch close with sch being slightly better… however ast blows whm out of the park in both mp and utility
Ok just so this article stops misleading people:
For DPS, every single healer gets a nuke they spam (95% of the fight), a dot, and either a personal damage ability or raid buffs.
SCH: Chain Stratagem + Expedient (allowing more melee uptime)
AST: Cards + Divination
SGE: Ligma
WHM: Blood Flower
So, as you can see, 2 of them live vicariously through your party members' performance, and 2 are personal. Are they all equally "not fun?" Well, if you like to keep busy, AST is better. Otherwise it's a passive button you push at the right time. SCH is in no way unique in that regard. IN FACT, Xenos is right and Expedient is pretty fucking cool.
I love expedient, during redacted ex trial 1 meteors for example, it helps a ton.
Also whm is pretty bad rn it has low damage and its healing is now the worst.
Astrologian basically never running out of MP for the amount of healing it gives is why it's my main healer
I love how these journos keep writing these articles and offer absolutely zero insight into how kits are designed or how to optimize them. I imagine a 3rd grader writing their opinion on FFXIV submitting it for upload to these websites with the way these articles are designed.
My main fear with AST was that it was gonna be garbage at that start of the expansion like it was at the start of ShB. Thankfully, it's still good as ever!
Based on article writer’s opinion on scholar and astrologian it seems like he was a noct snowflake and after endwalker he tried SCH and got his assed handled to him.
Here I was thinking that WAR was a main healer ;(
Only problem with scholar is it has stayed at the top with basically no changes. Kind of in a similar spot to old SMN where the class needs some love without lessening its effectiveness. It's probably the class that gets the least amount of changes and cool new shit every xpac. Even when we got seraph, it just wasn't fully fleshed out at least imo.
Fairy Wings during dissipation was probably one of the most requested things for the class and its probably not going to happen. Visually the class just doesn't look as impressive as it actually is
AST mains whined because they wanted to stay shield healers and most where afraid it would turn into a worse WHM. Turns out, AST is very strong while WHM is starving for MP, because their spell costs for literally the same spells are still higher than AST's and they have to resort to casts much sooner.
SCH is also extremely strong right now and absolutely on par with Sage. The runspeed buff is a lifesaver for people with slower reaction times/high latency in many situation and makes it so much easier to avoid mechanics.
To be honest, WHM is currently at the bottom of the list in terms of damage and healing output. Not really broken, but definitely weaker than the other 3.
this guy just can't handle all the utility abilities scholar and astro have buffing is too hard his brain only has room for big number
Fairy gauge having one use is the biggest problem
Expedience is arguably the best skill in the entire game
As a healer main, namely the Astrologian (I can play all 4 but I'm best on AST, pre and post-changes), I can confirm…. this ranking system is so wrong from den of geek…. ugh…. it's like a bad Kotaku article. I'd put WHM 4 until they get Thin Air back, just as a starter. Scholar and Sage at 2 and 3…. yeah, in that order, because Kardia doe very little TBH and Scholars can Raw-Dog heal you and can make a crit shield is more likely. Only SCH problem is really the Fairy AI. And going from there, uh…. yeah, I'd put AST on top, busy job but fun when you know said job well. It basically can manipulate heals on a fairly "when you need to manipulate it" level, including a 2-button Benny instead of 1, but still, it should heal any DRK to full and most WARS to near-full HP from 1. It also doles out buffs and greatly benefits the most, I feel from Scholar. Because you now have "The Old Bole" on a single static ability (oh, honey how I missed you), it can go a give out more healing and tiny shields here and there, where a Scholar's will normally just out-shield the replacing shields and thus aren't replaced, iirc about how that works. Anyway, aside from that Macrocosmos and Microcosmos ability is useful AF, especially with Hippocampus. (going from "ow nearly everyone's HP is gone" to "oh, nvm" is nice) long and short of it all, I feel like SCH+AST is best combo, SGE+AST is second best, and any WHM combo…. well, gives WHM no end of bitching, when it's like "dude, you're playing the introduction healer, you can't have our shit because you need to stay simple and direct, so yeah, yous gonna suffer a bit, because you're kinda supposed to swap to one of the now three other healers by this point for serious content. Like, I get it if you enjoy the simplicity and agree Thin Air nerf was unacceptable, but it's like ground hog day anytime I talk to a WHM main about WHM. Always the same complaint, always.
Listen man, I'm just the secondary healer so I'm not really qualified to talk about this stuff, you know kind of like the interns of ff14, but that article may have given me permanent brain damage. We are all now certifiably dumber for having read it.
Sage isn't that much different damage wise then any other healer TBH. These always seem more written from the perspective of someone who only paid attention to the communities general thoughts going into the expansion but hasn't really updated there opinions since actually having their hands on the jobs.
Weird, WHM is objectively the worst healer right now. It does the worst damage, brings no rdps tools, has the weakest ogcd kit, and has mana issues which will prevent it from going low piety for damage. If panda savage requires tons of gcd healing, it could be good, but LOL we know it won't because Yoshi is terrified of giving healers a reason to press a gcd heal, because anything more than "refresh DoT, spam filler" is just too much work, too much responsibility for the green job. SCH is also objectively the best healer right now.
Running a WHM unless it gets significant buffs is griefing your team.
This writer is just not a healer at all. SCH is actually poggers right now. AST is on a wonderful place with a few minor gripes. WHM is so clunky. And I'm just an awful SGE