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This is normal to have 24 players. This is an alliance raid. Epic sized raids which has 3 parties of 8 work together to take multiple bosses. Some bosses have mechanics which require certain groups to do certain things, stand in certain places or attack certain enemies. They are a form of catch up that’s somewhat challenging to the inexperienced. They are often a mechanism of telling an encapsulated story for the most part. Using new character and plot completely detached from the main plot. This was the most encapsulated story they have done as other have tied directly into the game’s lore whereas this really doesn’t. It sits rather completely isolated. It tells a great story. It was written with Yoko Taro himself (he has been on many FF streams with Yoshi P as they both work under Square Enix. I think they have a good relationship) but it doesn’t serve to enrich the world of FF. This is first cross-over alliance raid series they’ve done. The next Alliance raid series they will do will be entirely original to FFXIV as the prior ones called upon story, characters and places of prior FF games. FFXIV often uses motifs of other FF as a means to enrich the game. Since Nier is completely different, it couldn’t be too attached to the story as it would mess with the world building but sadly it gives the weight of the story very little. However, by it’s own merit, it is an amazing story. Deep, tear-jerking and exciting.
I'd say a 8-10 on fun, and a 3-5 on difficulty. Once you get what's happening, alliance raids in general are pretty easy to run with your brain off. You learn what you need to pay attention to, and how to do it. The mechanics themselves are fun, and it feels like going through a dance with everyone doing their part. It's just enjoyable to do.
As for the size of the party, it's not "normal" but it's not abnormal either. The Nier dungeons are part of the Alliance Raids. Each expansion gets 3 dungeons balanced to accommodate 3 full parties of 8 people, often with mechanics that force each party to split off from each other, fighting bosses that buff each other or that need to be taken out at the same time, etc. As for fun, I'd rate this particular fight at a 9, with a 8 in difficulty.
Fun: 8/10
Difficulty: 4/10
I find this fight quite fun specifically because of the music as well as the strafing runs he makes, which are combined with an aerial bombardment and when layered you have to move around a lot and memorize some patterns. The whole thing is very epic, but I won't rate it any higher simply because the fight just before this one is actually more fun and in some following Nier raids there are some even better ones as well.
But yeah it's what's called an "Alliance Raid," not meant to be super difficult but they do always include that many players, they're designed to be more cinematic and experiential by nature. This fight has a couple mechanics to know about, but nothing crazy hard to even infer on your first run and because there are so many other players it tends to make some of these easier than they would otherwise be.
It's the music you hear when the pearly gates open… indeed…
And the angel proceeds to judge you and you have to fight through all your sins from childhood to the day of your passing!
May light give your strength to carry on…
Crystal's light, that is~
Prelude? I know nothing about that. Nothing at all. Nosir.
the Prelude basically theme song of final fantasy. it is presented in every game in the franchise. iconic song trademark of the series.
6 for fun, 3 for difficulty. It's a lot more visually and musically appealing when you aren't running this 30+ minute raid literally a dozen times trying to get the right loot piece. :/
"I'm guessing it's looped already but….I don't care." Yep, pretty much sums up the whole FFXIV OST
As far as the Prelude part goes, that's a story that is traced all the way back to the 80's when Square was releasing the original Final Fantasy on Famicom. The story goes that in the 11th hour, the game's director – Hironobu Sakaguchi – was going over all the details and finalizing everything, and realized they didn't have a song set to play during the opening text crawl explaining the base premise of the story. Rather than reusing something or just having it play in silence, Sakaguchi asked the composer – Nobuo Uematsu – to make a quick jingle/song/something to go there. Uematsu sat down at a keyboard, poked around a bit, and played an arpeggio and was like "That's good enough and meets the deadline." It has sense become synonymous with the series as that's predominantly what's played during file selection in later games. As for the story's authenticity, I can't say. So, grain of salt and all.
ah yes
This song made me cry
2 Games series I adore coming together as one
I have to say, today, you are Santa Jesse 😀 Music review by Metal Santa m/
When the first Final Fantasy was developed, the studio was about to go under (thus the name FINAL Fantasy) so this was a last ditch effort at success. When asked to compose the main theme, Nobuo Uematsu created arpeggio you hear throughout the song within ten minutes. Brilliance in simplicity 🙂 Look at this series now, FF14 had to stop sales and their free trial cause it was too successful 😛
As for the rating, it's a 10/10 on the fun scale for me and a 5 or 7/10 on the difficulty depending on whether I play a dps or a healer, respectively. Alliance raids are usually most challenging on release, but some of them can actively kick you bum three expansions later.
This and the original version as you noticed sound way different, and are used in different scenarios. This version is more lively, and works perfectly to pump you up for the upcoming battle
When I first played this raid and heard this song I was absolutely stunned. NIER: Automata was one of my top games, I recognized Weight of the World very quickly and I couldn't help but be amazed at how they brought such a slow melody into a bombastic fight track – and not only that much also include the Final Fantasy melody so seemlessly.
No word of a lie, cried the first time because of how awesome the music made me feel. And that was the one and only time that has happened.
Don't forget in Drakengard/Nier God hates humans for screwing up the grand design with free will. So when those pearly gates open the series characters will be sending some nukes through. 😉
As a FF guy for 30 years the prelude is a moment of peaceful reflection/meditation that comes before the great adventure starts.
fun score? 9 or 10/10. really enjoy that one
The differnce gamplaywise is, that Nier is end credits, ff14 is the theme for a final boss battle.
Same song, can't be more differnt ^^.
I've never had anyone who knew the mechanics die on me in this fight (I must be a good healer), so I'm giving a 4/10 on difficulty, and 9/10 on fun.
The prelude is that arpeggiated section, it is a reoccurring melody that has been in every final fantasy game since 2 i believe. Changes slightly from game to game but is still recognisable and nostalgic across each game.
This song is used in the final boss of FF14's seventh 24 man raid. You duke it out which a scanner robot as he hacks into machines to try to crush, beam, saw, kill and destroy you….or more importantly the blind folded black haired lady in the white maid like dress. This fight gets crazy.
The boss imo on the fun scale is 10/10 and difficulty is about 6/10 because it's meant to be beatable by everyone since this is the catch up mechanic FF14 uses for the non hardcore's to "keep up" with the top players.
yes there are 24 people there fighting (as in other comments its decently easy and forgiving). The Nier characters are there cause Yoko Taro (the madman) decided to end the plot of his action adventure games in a MMORPG. Rating on fun 6/10, difficulty 3/10
15/10 on fun
3/10 on difficulty, but your mileage may vary 😉
Finally! And yeah, that raid is an absolute blast, difficulty I'd say 6/10. Not too easy, but if you do mess up there's 23 other players there who can recover the raid. Fun I'd say 8/10. Listening to this song and holding back the tears from excitement is the real end boss though. And yeah, that's a normal amount of players for that content. All 3 NieR raids are 24-man raids. Speaking of which, now that you're here: There's 2 more FFXIV + NieR tracks: "Torn from the Heavens / The Dark Colossus Destroys All", and Kainé (Final Fantasy Main Theme). You've reacted to the original Kainé from NieR Replicant, and I can't wait for you to get to that one. It's a soft but beautiful song.
So the nice thing about this track is how well mixed weight of the world and FF prelude are mixed together… Now it feels like a practice run for some of endwalker's best tracks
The battle itself is like a 6 for Fun, but the music elevates it to a 10. As is the case with basically every fight in 14.
For difficulty it's probably a 5. It's average.
This is one of my favorite Alliance Raid themes, no contest.
This is such a great track. Soken did a phenomenal job reorchestrating it to fit into xiv.
I won't suggest it to be on the channel because this would be a third version of the same song you'd be reacting to. But Amalee and Peter Hollens did a translated version of this song if you want to understand the emotions underneath the lyrics.
Prelude is the arpegio theme. It has been the main Final Fantasy theme composed by Uematsu and the melody that you'll hear in most of them at one point or another. Often used in menus and credits among other things. The nier composer blending it there is a big homage made to the franchise tbh and it fits surprisingly well.
Liked the bgm of this fight but man, I'd give a 2/10 for difficulty and a generous 3/10 for fun due to the downtime and sluggishness and lack of mechanics.
No greater irony than someone feeling a sense of hope from a song about inadequacy… Merry Chrismas and Happy Holidays YouTube comment section.
The arpeggio, as many have already noted, is a staple of the series. It started as title screen music for the FF series, then in Final Fantasy VI it was instead the save screen music. Since then it's been in every FF game (except 12, I think) in one form or another. Final Fantasy XIV has it as the title screen music and the character creation screen music. The title screen music has actually had a different variant for each expansion pack and the original FF XIV had a different version on its title screen then even Realm Reborn. There are a lot of different Prelude variants. Honestly this track crushed fans of NieR and Final Fantasy…first realizing that it was a variant of Weight of the World, and while freaking out over that, hearing the Prelude mixed in. ^.^
I'd say it is a kinda fun fight, not really the best, not even from this raid. I'd rate it 7/10 for fun, 2/10 for difficulty. It does have some steps you could have trouble with, but its basically impossible to die there. And yes, the number of people is always the same in these raids, these are alliance raids for 24 people, 3 groups of 8.
The nier version of the song is both sad and hopeful, singing about how they have lost everything and yet they must stand and shout into the void, knowing full well that it may change absolutely nothing, because they are the only ones that can at that point. They went out for what should have been a pretty routine mission and ended up with the fate of the world on their shoulders. The ff14 version on the other hand is a lot more triumphant. As the protagonist of the story, far worse has been placed on you by this point and you have grown stronger by carrying the weight of the world time and time again. You aren't shouting into the void hoping that someone hears you, you WILL prevail because you are the only one that can. Even that arpeggio that you were hearing is ff14 overtaking the nier music, showing that this trial too can be overcome.