Xeno reacts to a new mini FFXIV Drama, this time from Twitter / X. There is a level 90 tank out there who queues up for dungeons but does NOT use AoE skills to keep mob pack aggro. Whatโs even more egregious is that their friend defends their griefing gameplay. This is another tale from Duty Finder.
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The fact that some people are so grossly entitled that they think they can refuse to be a team player in this team based game is bafflingly sad.
No, you ain't more important than other players. Do your job or crawl off to the NPC helpers. They won't care if you can't play the game at all.
Jesus Christ, go figure it's someone from Primal making the entire data center look bad in public. ๐คฆ๐ฝโโ๏ธ
Also I agree with Xeno, I would have reported that jerkoff for calling me an asshole in party chat.
Like, even if a completely new player gets both a story and a level skip, they would still need to go through ALL of Endwalker's MSQ to get access to the Lunar Subterrane. Not knowing what to do by that point is a laughable notion.
I would just let myself die as the healer and cause wipes until the tank plays properly or quits ๐
I' am betting the SAM don't use AoE skill which is why he don't die lol
its last endwalker dungeon, I'd have vote dismissed that tank you're basically wasting 3 people their time because you don't know the basics of the game
Ultros literally is the worst Primal server. My blacklist is like 60% Ultros people
This is just further evidence that the game is too hard and too bloated/complicated even still. Maybe instead of a 2 button combo they can consolidate it to 1 button, or just have aoe threat applied automatically so people like this tank can play the game like everyone else. This game is supposed to be for EVERYONE and the fact that people still struggle despite SE's changes to the game means they still have a LONG way to go
The skill floor is already low enough when you can be a Cure-1 bot or an ice-mage, but people keep digging it lower and lowerโจ๐ No idea how you can humiliate your friend with the phrase "well, he's a newbie" in the latest dungeon and not realise how bad it sounds~
I raided with someone with literally 1 arm and we cleared EXs and Savages lol. This is wild. He used to stream and watching him play on controller was WILD.
Was in a Rubicante ex party one time and one of our tanks was kept getting hit and wiping. He eventually typed an apology saying he had just gotten back from his chemo treatment and wasn't playing his best. It put two things into perspective for me: 1. you really never know what's going on so I usually never say anything to randoms if they're doing poorly, and 2. there's no excuse for playing poorly if you are able to do better. If the guy who just had his cancer treatment an hour ago is performing better than you it's time to reevaluate
pressing 1 button then another is so hard bro im sorry I cant :((((
im surprised no one thought that maybe the dude story and level skipped the game. not defending his shitty play but it never came up if he was actully new or not.
I don't get to say it very often because as much as people like to clown on the "you don't pay my sub" people, I find it actually gets said remarkably rarely. But when it does, my favorite retort is "You don't pay mine either but you seem fine with wasting its time"
A tank that doesn't take aggro is like a healer that doesn't heal.
It's crazy how common this is not only on Tank but every role. Most of the time people who don't use AoE are defended by the rest of the group if you call them out on it too. This game is genuinely where all the worst players on every game out there converge and form an alliance large enough to be the overwhelming majority.
sigh of course it's Ultros. This is legit though tanks don't aoe, healers don't heal and DPS run off and peel their own groups off and then when dying they don't run to the tank to take aggro.
Don't tanks get their aoe at like level 10 or 12? It's not level 90 pro moves, it's level 10 babbys first mmo moves.
I love these dumb situations. Mane tank strikes again!
I hate the comment about not playing optimally outside of endgame raids.
Like, I agree, to an extent. People don't need to be doing optimal rotations, max dps, perfect healing rotation, etc etc. We don't need to shirk aggro to avoid TB's, or set up which healing cd is popped when. It's a leveling roulette, shit's easy, we can derp around and clear it.
BUT, simply using aoe skills for an aoe situation isn't elitist nor unrealistic expectations. it's kinda the bare minimum as a tank in the game, and this player (assuming they really are just that bad) is being done a disservice by his "friend" that encourages him to simply play as he wants to.
Like, as BLM, it's fine if I'm not popping off my 3x flare's in a row on an aoe trash pack, as long as I'm using my aoe spells in general.
Of course this sam is frome Ultros
I loved the handicap comment in chat.
I have a brain injury, literal brain damage, and have it mostly together. Either way, itโs a dungeon ffs.
People only act like this in dungeons because itโs easy and they can. Most of the time, these are the same kids who would be way to mousey to actually say anything to your face.
It isnโt about elitism. Itโs about keyboard warriors.
I have seen many tanks do single instead of AOE when pulling packs. When I tell them about using AOE some listen and some just ignore…
In endgame dungeons, there is really no excuse. I don't expect people to be perfect or do amazing dps or even be max geared. I expect people to press buttons, and play their role remotely correct. I go college full time on campus and work 24-32 hours outside of that. I have one or two nights a week I can play. I don't want to waste it playing with some idiots who refuse to try at all. I'd just leave the dungeon and add them to my blacklist. That thing is huge with only people who CHOOSE to suck at the game.
Why the "do better" paragons of virtue always have to be mediocre mouthbreathers.
This is the problem with how the devs treat the new players, they are allowed to play like garbage and if you say anything, they can just ban you right away
I'm on Ultros. I'm gonna find the Samurai.
The SAM is the worst kind of person in this game.
This is such a stupid thing to care about.
I am so sick of that bullshit "I'm new" excuse in endgame content man, how much time and other content would you have had to play through to get to this point?
first time run i can sort of understand not wanting to go wall to wall at beginning to take in the place but to not use aoe to keep aggro on adds is insane its basic tank role to keep aggro off healers and dps so they can do their dps maybe add in a 1-2-3 combo for a bit of recover and back to aoe and shields.
had a tank like this that would use the range attack only they kept on dying so we stopped healing them and pocket healed a monk to do the dungeon
no excuse for this.
even with a level skip and story skip, you STILL have to get through all of EW and the patch content to get to the LAST DUNGEON BEFORE DAWN TRAIL. Which i'm pretty sure takes longer, then it does to get to Sastasha/Hall of Novice with a fresh lvl 1. You should know by then, and if you don't don't play with other people.
Honestly, this might have been fine if the one guy stated at the beginning "Hello everyone, I'm going to go through this dungeon like I'm a duty support tank, so single target attacks only. Just to prove how brain dead easy this game is." I mean, that's the second best option. The best option is going through the dungeon in a closed group with others willing to suffer through the nonsense.
Edit: Might as well also have the DPS and healer also single target the mobs as well. Also lets be real, what's the downside to using other tank aoe skills. I play paladin, and I love seeing the Blade combo, shit is beautiful. I even get the lightshow that is Circle of Scorn.
Deliberately not using AoE abilities as a tank is outright griefing and if anybody in that party should get banned, it's that guy.
US servers are something else, never seen this shit in JP
If shit looks dumb early in Iโll take the 30
A similar situation happened to me, in level 90 roulette.
Tank does mini pulls while he never goes below 80% health because the healer is overhealing and not doing DPS pretty much, so i go in my head "ok next pack i pull the second group and bring it to them, the healer is doing fuck all anyways". I do that, the party stops to let me die and the tank starts running away as im chasing him with the pack ๐๐๐๐๐. I die, pack resets because nobody attacked it and i go "is everything ok, why are you running away?" And the healer replies "why in the fuck would you pull, you're not the tank. The tank was scared so he started to run away!!!" (Mind you, this is still level 90 roulette lol, not sastasha or copperbell). I say to myself "aight these are two idiots, im not even gonna waste my time arguing". I say "alright." and we continue.
We get to the first boss, i die because nobody stacks with me. This is where i enter the "fuck this" mode and I don't get a ress for the next 2 minutes, so i take it upon myself to ress out the arena to let them finish the boss by themselves (it took a shitton of time, like 8 minutes). Boss gets finally killed, the arena opens up to continue the duty and the same healer goes "have you learned your lesson now?" ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
This is where i go in my ultimate "aight, now imma fuck with y'all because fuck you brainlets" mode and i start using scathe only each mob of the pack pull. They notice something is not right by the last pull before the boss (because obviously the damage was shite) and guess who, that's right the same healer goes "if you're in a rush you can leave, we do not tolerate your elitist savage raider attitude here" while they stop moving forward waiting for the last coffer opened timer reset and i get kicked from the instance ๐๐๐๐๐
I was already expecting to log into gm jail the next day (i logged out right after as i had the usual 30 minutes penalty) but surprisingly i didn't. So there's that at least lmao.
I might be level 90, but that doesn't mean I know how to play very well. I get on the game to do barding and socialize, but don't really like doing content much. Because I suck at it. xD
ARR leveling dungeon over LV30, encountered a tank job husband and dps class wife leveling together. I mention this to them, and the tank said their dps wife, they didnt wanna be a job. Followed up with, should let play how they want to.
Playing with random players, you dont have that luxury. Developers purposely design elements of a game a certain way they are meant to be played lol.
Single player of course, do whatever you want, only affects you. Just dont be surprised how you're playing makes it harder on you to advance the game. Again cuz its design a particular way that you're supposed to go about playing it.
At least Septic Tanks can hold their shit together.
I'm all for getting tips from other players, this tank might be having a bad day and isn't playing well, completely fair, even though they should know to use their AOEs. My problem is the little defender. I'm sorry I don't have an hour of my time to spend wiping in endgame content because of a very simple fix that doesn't even involve you. In a level 90 dugeon, if you go one pack at a time (I've never seen this happen btw, luckily) then yes I'm going to pull you more, you should know to handle it by now. The only time I do this in lower levels is when I know my healer/tank can do it, I'm obviously not going to pull ahead in a dungeon full of sprouts, they can take as long as they want.
Im sorry but at lvl 90 you are no longer new. Learn how to play your class and push your buttons or uninstall the game simple as that
People keep exaggerating to the point they're throwing out the word "elitist" and "advanced" and whatnot. The fact of the matter is if we were doing math, and "multiplication and division" were endgame mathematics, you guys are doing "addition and subtraction" level of math which would be dungeon. In that example I think it would be completely fair for Mane to expect someone doing addition and subtraction to know the bare minimum fundamental skill of COUNTING. This dude in the dungeon apparently knows up to 1 2 3 and then skips 4 and 5 (the aoe skills) and goes straight to 6. If you knew someone in high school that couldn't count to 20, would you think that YOU are the asshole for not wanting to be in his study group? Or that it is reasonable to think that at that level he needs some remedial education?
Could just make it the healers problem in this case just single target what the tank is attacking and let the adds attack the healer who was wholely silent in the exchange or just hold back dpsing so the free styule sam can carry to teach them a lesson I can't be taught if the party are a-holes like this worst case I just sit at the start of the dungeon until getting kicked que in with a better group. :3
these guys are just griefers pure and simple I've run into types like this before it's a group of 3 friends and they go outta there way to not heal you so that you feel like a bad player it's pretty trash.
The diference between trying and failing, and failing to try.