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EXs are def the type of content you can do with a random party
Savages tho are far more designed to be taken on with a premade group.
Also as to how to find a group I uhhh can't help with that. They kinda found me? I just joined a minilvl coils group and then they asked me if I wanna do Omega Savage with them and now I'm doing Endwalker Savages with them as well so I guess you have to get lucky?
Finding a good static usually happens when you find a party finder with a discord, if you are good enough or fun enough they will let you stay in the discord. I have been doing this in the crystal servers for just 4 weeks, gotten into 6 different discords already been invited to 3 different statics. I joined one I liked and stayed on good terms with the others so they let me stay. Now progging p8s, hell I even teach the other discords the fights when I finish with my static. It’s really about putting yourself out there and giving a good impression, if you show your willingness to learn and improve most will accept you.
EX Trails unsynced and Old Savage Unsynced, start at the beginning and work your way up.
Its important to look at the party finder groups description as it says what stage of the fight the group is in. It could say "practice from start, watch a guide first" so they start from the beginning but have watched a guide on the fight or "blind practice from beginning" so u go in there completely blind knowing nothing about the fight and learn and discuss the mechanics with your group in chat or discord.
The group you went in for p5s might have just been a "going for clear"/"enrage exp" which means they're at the end of the fight and almost finished and are looking for people to clear with. And you can also just make ur own pf group and describe what you want to do.
I'm and 8 year vet if you want tips/help etc do you have discord?
Everyone is suggesting extremes and that's good advice. But I also suggest doing unreal and unsyned savage fights as well to learn.
Party finder sucks for savage since everyone has a different learn speed already even if you START at the same poin t which isnt possible either. So i'd not recommend that.
Statics are good but people are people and in my experience not reliable enough to have everyone show up every time twice or three times a week. Also takes a while to find a static. But once you do that's the way to go.
Extreme trials are best done with groups of friends with callouts in voice chat, but you will get it done in a few hours max if some people know what they're doing, definitely challenging. Also that's the current extremes, synched and especially Heavensward or earlier extremes aren't that great anymore cause of the aged mechanics and bad scaling even on minimum item level.
Old savage raids min ilevel and no echo are also about on the level of current extreme fights and depending on what data center you are on there are discords with groups like "Syncademy" on Light DC that do those on a regular schedule with everyone free to join asnd learn, super fun in my opinion since you dont need to worry about people leaving or not showing up since the organizers handle that.
P5S (Abyssos: The Fifth Circle (Savage)) is often called the second hardest boss in this raid tier. For a door boss, lots of things can go wrong.
Don’t beat up yourself about it if you can't get a clear on Party Finder, it's a mess in there. Specially on Devour.
get a static! you will learn a lot from doing savage with a static
getting a static is really difficult because getting 7 other people to commit to doing extremely difficult content every week is really hard, even after getting 7 people to raid with you, it's likely you'll still see drop outs after one or two weeks, or even less.
there are many communities ready to start a static though, like some discord servers, or even reddit, or you could even form one in party finder. after you do a few pulls and everyone's done, see if you can add someone to your friends list and invite them to another party some other day, you could find a duo before forming a static, and slowly build your group.
Either keep trying or jump in to some extremes, No team will learn the fight in 15 mins, P5S would probably take 2-3 hours minimum on pf,
In regards to finding a static, there's a recruitment discord where you can look for statics to join, or look for members to join your static if you're creating one yourself. There's a ffxiv recruitment subreddit. And the last way I know of is to go into party finder and put up a post stating that you're looking for a static, this is what job you play, how serious you wanna raid (casual, midcore, semi-hardcore, hardcore, etc.), the schedule, and how they can contact you (DM you on discord for example, just leave your discord id).
Meet people through EX farming. Just by consistently farming around the same hours you'll come across the same people regularly. Chat while the party fills and watch for those who are adaptive to various strats and accommodating to others. Your static doesn't need to start 8/8. Just a few reliable friends will do until you sift through the randoms to fill out the rest.
Just back into pf. There are many people just like you looking to learn just learn what little bit you can from each pf group until you are confident enough to join a clear group .
Don't grow up too fast. There is nothing left left after Savage 🙁
EX trials are a really good middle ground to get your feet wet. Don't gas up savage in your head too much, its definitely doable, but I really think Normal to EX to Savage is the optimal path. I would get a clear or two on each of the EW trials (all of them can drop mounts too) and then you'll be a bit more prepared to dive headfirst into savage.
use pf and specifically state the mech you wanna practice and hopefully youll find players that are looking for similar practice
There is no reason to get better, there is so much to ff14 then just raiding, I swear some people think raiding is the only endgame content in this game, that's not true, as a causal player myself who doesn't care about hard contents, I have so much other stuff to do in the game, there is even side quests which they are so fun and they even have there own long stories and some of them even gives u emotes and glamour, it just there is so much things to do in this game then just raiding. PS: do u know why u r not good is because u playing human, play a bun boii and u will be amazing 🤣🤣😜😜😜😜 jk
I would PF the new extreme trial. It's chaotic and pretty fun. Plus the weapon is BIS for prog gear. Either start or join a prog party and stick with them. Savage through PF can be hit or miss. You should also be familiar with your preferred raiding job. So know things like your opener, reopener and what gear you need. I'd check out the balance discord, it's full of spreadsheet nerds that post resources and spoonfeed you information. Joining a static makes raiding a lot more enjoyable, and there are plenty of casual/midcore groups that are happy to onboard new members.
Don't get scared off by a shitty experience with PF. Savage isn't the mountain you think it is. Honestly the hardest part was just getting gear/food/pots and 7 other people that you enjoy running with.
Backstory on how I got into savage:
It was a very spontaneous idea to jump into P5S. I tried Asphodelos as DPS before but I had a very negative experience and quit. I was still very new and didn't have the skills so I got told that I'm too bad to do savage. Never thought of trying savage again but here I am.
I did all the other EW ex trials before and I had a confidence boost after clearing Ex 4 and acquiring my gunblade. What helped me to overcome my fear and concerns was to jump into a blind party. No one will know anything about the fight and you can figure out some mechanics together. You will not get anywhere near a clear but it's good to jump in and try some things out! 🙂 I watched a guide right after and tracked the mechanic we left off of and jumped into PF to practice everything up to the mechanic and even further! It was really hard for me at first because I had crippling anxiety to go into PF all alone but hey I did it. I eventually cleared and did the same thing with P6 and P7. Jumping into blind party > Watching a guide > Practice and clean up > Clear. This works for me but that doesn't mean that it works for everyone.
I don't know If people will hate me for saying this but my advice is not to worry too much about your damage at first. Try to get a feel for the mechanics, try not to die etc. and when you think you feel confident enough try to get better with your rotation! This is what I'm currently working on as well. Lots of my friends who raid Ultimates now told me to focus on mechanics first and then polish my rotation and get better.
And yes: PF can be really really bad at times but there are also many people who have the patient of a saint and are trying to help others. People who are too impatient and are complaining all the time will leave anyway. Don't let them discourage you. Most players are actually really chill If you let them know that it's your first time and such.
Tbh what scared me to use PF were my self-doubting thoughts all the time. I thought everyone will do everything flawless and that I get bullied for doing mistakes and that I suck as a player… etc.
But the fact is that you will encounter people who are far worse than you. Trust me. In the end we are just humans and it's just a game. Don't let it pressure it too much.
party finder is a mixed bag. if you get one like the one you described you just have to go again you'll find more patient people over time but as you mentioned ex is a very good first step into harder content and has a shorter time to clear than most savage. for statics there's various places to look the balance discord has a section to advertise a static or yourself to find a group to prog with but i did meet my static through doing party finder. i used to party finder a lot and still do and you will start to recognize people from there and the biggest part is to make friends with the people you like to play with in pf. good luck dude
Go EX and unreal.
Lv90,
EX1 ez clear.
EX2 ez now with over gear.
EX3 still hard at first.
EX4 kinda hard at first.
sephirot unreal, wtf.
If you see a pf for ex level sync, join up.
If nothing interest you make a pf.
My tip is put a practice tag. fresh 30 minutes disbanding party.
If you're practicing join a practice pf. Expectations.
Some people say make a static, but that is a lot of work.
I would say make or join a CWLS for newbies raiding old content sync.
Then you can make a pf and advertise on the CWLS whenever you want.
Video games should be on your free time. Not on a schedule. Unless you're making money off it.
I'd suggest just jumping straight into the "current" hard content like Barbariccia (EX4), learn the fight and try getting the weapon coffer, or the weapon you need for the job you're planning to bring into hard content. To me, it's better if you learn it that way rather than doing the older ones, which is perfectly fine to still do, but you'd probably have a harder time finding a group of people who'd be interested to do it at min ilvl and whatnot.
my main suggestion is the same as most people here already said, run the Extreme Trials first to get comfortable with the mechanics and the fast pacing, because the Savages will be basically a step up on the speed and several mechanics happening at once, but they are still the same mechanics: spread, stack, bait an attack, dodge, all those things…
an addition i'd do is to also run the 24-man alliance raids, they are fairly easier and more forgiving than trials, but still mechanic intense, and can help you to do your mechanics while trying to put out the most damage you can, what is not a tight requirement on the EX trials, but definetly needed on Savages…
also aim for a proper PF group, one that is at the same step you are, and that have the same goals, reading the PF descriptions to find the right one is a skill on itself that needs to be acquired, but once you do it will be easier to get some progression everytime, just don't expect too much at first, i first did p7s with a full group of friends with high skill level, and still took us almost 15 hours through 3 days to get that first clear…
Extremes are a decent middle ground between savage and normal content and while its not necessary i would recommend it if you are new to harder content. Party finder is a mixed bag on the people you are going to get but it has the advantage of getting a group going or finding a replacement quite fast.
I find that people get better at the game from understanding more classes/roles at higher and higher levels.
Example:
I'm a better tank for also being a healer
I'm a better healer for also being a tank
I joined a static of newbie raiders near the end of shadowbringers. we practiced some in eden waiting for endwalker. our first on content tier was Asphodelos in endwalker and we ran into personnel and scheduling issues throughout but saw everyone grow and improve throughout the tier. we didn't manage our p4s clear until about 3 weeks before 6.2 but we're already on p7s this tier. you just have to find a jumping point and them commit to improvement. savage us very doable in PF as well, sometimes I have easier clears in PF than I do with my static but getting that first duty complete is the challenging bit. until then PF can be a nightmare (and even after sometimes).
Ex trials yield weapons which help on first savage attempts not necessary but they do help.
Definitely do the current extreme first, it's really fun and the weapon will help you clear savage
I’m not sure if EX4 is much easier than P5S. Still a lot of farm groups wiping on it. It’s good to have the weapon, but not necessary for P5S. I’d give it a few more attempts since you’ve already started on it.
At this point though, there might be a lot of PF traps for P5S having been out for a while. It took me 3 afternoons to clear it after release (didn’t attempt the first day). P7S I found the easiest.
Doing older savages unsynced in pf for the dyed glams and mounts was very fun for me. Also a good experience of dealing with some of the crazy savage mechanics even if its unsynced. (E4S, E8S, etc). After all in general the more you play, the more you get good. The more you get familiarized with how the game works and then you can even start guessing mechanics blind.
Everyone sucks at Savage fights at first. You just have to pick up each individual part of the fight one small adjustment at a time. Expect to wipe hundreds of times before clearing your first fight. This raid tier is especially punishing even for veterans.
You're def not the first, nor will u be the last to run into this problem.
From what i can tell, you're already doing what u want. Most people will suggest going into extremes first, they're usually easier than savage, and because they're much less frequent they're easier to out-gear with casual gear. For example, doing EX1 or EX2 in Endwalker (avoiding boss spoilers) is super easy now compared to when the expansion first came out. EX3's not too bad now, but farming EX 4 is pretty fun still. (the most recent, aka barbie). My advice to any newer player is to try and clear all of the extreme's availible in the current expansion. But i would also consider the bare minimum to be if u've beaten the MOST RECENT ex, with ok ish gear, and u still want challenge, then buckle up for savage. Note: when i say "clear the most recent EX", i don't just mean Healer LB and spend 20% of the fight on the floor, i mean farm the fights repeatedly until u can consistently clear it without any deaths.
Unfortunately your experience in savage PF is kinda the norm. And it'll be similar for any prog party u join for EX or Savage. Try to join/post parties listed at your current prog point. Usually listed as "Fresh" or "post <X mechanic>" or "enrage". This will help u avoid getting people that maybe are ahead of u in progging the fight (and are usually less patient), and later on hopefully avoid people joining who aren't ready for whatever part of the fight your trying to prog. That being said it's never a garentee u'll get people that know what they're doing. That's the biggest downside to PF. Best advice, accept that PF is just gonna make things take longer to clear.
But don't give up on PF entirely just yet, i managed to prog and clear the entire Asphodelos Savage tier because my irk job made it impossible to find a static. It took a lot longer because P3S was a nightmare in PF due to conflicting strats, but i managed to get through it just fine. i cleared P1S and P2S in week 1, P3S in week 3 i think, but it took me until around week 8 or 9 to clear P4S because i just didn't have much time to raid period.
Finding a static is honestly ur best bet if your serious about doing savage tho. Extremes are easy enough and have enough people farming them to where u can almost aways find a group that can clear them. Savage on the other hand sometimes needs very direct communication, careful planning of things like Burst Windows and Mitigation, and a considerable amount of time, even with a static.
Best way to find static? sadly i don't have the best answers, there are several recruiting discords, and if u can find an FC that raids that's even better. But i'm afraid i don't have those resources to share. But If someone else posts them u'll have to ask yourself what kinda of group your looking for. I.E. Casual, midcore, or hardcore. basically how much time do u want to dedicate to raiding, and how sweaty of a gamer do u want to be lol. If your confident in your ability, try to find a mid-core group that's open to sprout raiders.
sound like you need a static to me tbh. just find a good one and your problems will disappear without you knowing.
PF situation now is fustration all over the place, ppl keep traping eachother for weeks now so they run out of patience.
I remember when I was new.. now I''m a jaded catgirl simp.