Final Fantasy XIV is a game I love, but I hate how the housing system works, and how it keeps people both locked out and locked in. Here is my short rant to get it off my chest.
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While I hate the FFXIV Housing System, I love the PvP mode and just released a new controller guide for Reaper. Hope you enjoy that video as it's way more excited and positive then this one: https://youtu.be/vTp_Bb0opMY
The housing is amazing in how you can decorate it and change it. The systems in place to get one, not too great
Just steal and improve on RuneScape's housing system, it is pretty decent. That's all Square Enix needs to do.
I feel the issues with the housing come from a few things. One being they have some content like gardening and submercibles locked behind having a house. The second and I feel the most impactful is 3rd party programs like discord have replaced what the goal of housing was. Housing is meant as a way to bring people together like a neighborhood, but anyone who walks outside their real home knows you dont see neighbors talking anymore with most not even knowing who their neighbor really is. Instead we stay in our homes and just talk with those close to us on a game or on the phone similar to how we use things like discord as our virtual neighborhood. Communicating openly with random people has become something we tend to steer away from as not everyone has the same opinions and ideals. So we created spaces we know is filled with people who are like minded and this has hurt players in game as well as people as a whole.
If I'm to pay my sub to keep my house, let me rent my house for gil…
Whether you intended it or not I loved the 10 Things I Hate about you homage.
This last go around, I had to choose between helping the FC relocate, and attempting to get a personal house. I don't like that choice, but after learning that SE basically did us dirty with the FC/personal housing split… I chose to help the FC relocate. I know I will likely never be able to participate in any workshop stuff, I will never be able to garden, and (as of right now) I'm still waiting and hoping that I can grab a house somewhere because the competition for the personal houses is going to be insane. I expect that most personal houses are going to be gone within a cycle or two, and I will (once again) be stuck waiting and watching for more personal houses.
Even though an apartment or FC room exists… it's completely laughable to even try to equate either to a house.
I'm hoping Island Sanctuaries helps mitigate some of this, and I'll be forever wondering why we Garlond Ironworks doesn't grant us workshop access considering all we have done for them over the years.
But until this situation changes, it's more waiting and watching…. as the playerbase gets more bitter and toxic over this entire broken feature…
Agreed.
I am fine with the housing system, I enjoy the current style because it makes it feel like a neighbourhood having challenges to have your house appear would just make people spam high point items and it would be ugly. There are flaws, its not perfect. I also hate how everyone hating on them for the lottery bug when mistakes happen and they apologized several times with reasons and why it happened.
Took a sip of beer every time you said hate. Haha glad I have a day off tomorrow! Hope your family is doing better. Love ya brother
whats so hard about just having houses in major cities or even outside it as instances houses???? multlple groups or people can use the same instance like other mmos.. why does it need a dedicated freakin "neighborhood" thats so limited and restricted to who can get it… so stupid… that way we can just see peoples houses organically in towns and hubs.. not have to visit the dumb neighborhood.. where i never go cause i dont have a house anyway
Yepโฆ.we are grinding and saving for a house. Excited that now we will be a part of owning houses. Annnnddddd this happens.
I hate that we are limited by the tech that we have to make housing more robust. I also hate that there are SOOO many people that play this game, that I never feel like I will get a house in the first place. I hate that even though that Yoshi-P knows there are people that have multiple houses, there is no smooth way to fix that. I hate that people forget about apartments because some of even the small houses (that aren't just locked up) barely have enough stuff to even warrant said apartments. But in reality, its just me ranting because if you were to M.I.B. housing from my brain, I would then hate the fact that MNK just feels like a 40sec NIN rotation to me. I want housing to be better, but given the history of even making this work in the first place, I can't help but wait for what's to come. Celebrate with a bottle when ever FFXIValley finally gets added and I can watch my minions do what ever it is they are going to be doing. Here's to at least getting the lottery system fixed in a timely manner.
Thank you for expressing this. I'm hoping Island Sanctuaries will assuage the demand for in-game housing in a sense. I doubt major changes other than that will be made again, looks like we would look forward to that in the next FF mmo.
This seemed more like a spoken word poem than a rant.
As frustrating as the housing system is the responses that some players give are absolutely ridiculous and disgusting sometimes. Going so far to say that the devs should lose their jobs and livelihoods, and undoubtedly worse too, is mind bogglingโฆ.
I also hate the housing system. I hate how some housing areas look worst than others and its a hassle to change/move to an area you like more. Currently, I have a large in the goblet. I got it back a year and half ago bc it was the only house that wasn't a small that was open. At the time I outgrow the small house I wanted to upgrade to a med but since I waited and waited and saved 50 something mil gil a firend talked me into buying the goblet large I'm currently in. I hate the goblet, I hate how it looks and how the larges yards are designed in the goblet. I figure this be nice till I save up another 50mil to move. I thought the adding of ishgrad housing was going to be my time to move and then they drop the bomb that relocation has to do the lottery also and that when I knew my dream of living in ishgrad or at least moving out of goblet was most likely wasn't going to come true. Well, I found my plot last week I wanted and bidded on it only to lose to someone two numbers below my number. It hit me harder than I thought and I got upset. Now Im looking for another large to move to but since most wards are only fcs there are only two private larges open(one in shino and one in lav bed). At the end of the day I wish I and others didnt have to go through all this to just to have a house in an area they wanted to live in. I wish we just had instant housing that just allows you to change the skybox to the area you want to look at every day. It is stressful, depressing, and just overall not fun to deal with.
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Everquest 2 had amazing housing and that games is years old surely final fantasy can do something similar to that
Your own family is far more important than a fair system where everyone gets to play virtual Barbie, Bryan. It has to be said, dude. Don't let this get under your skin when there are FAR more important things to be worried about.
If that's sounds dismissive to the frustrations of other players, it's meant to be. The game is supposed to be an enjoyable escapism from the exact kind of things I was referring to that do take precedence in our lives, and easily 90% of the playerbase forgets this and/or takes their time online for granted by allowing trivial matters to overtake their entire mental state.
I highly recommend taking an extended break away from the game.
Unpopular opinion.
Just a couple years ago at the end of 2019 there were still entire wards without a single house purchased, plots sat empty with a max devaluation for months. No one cared about housing.
Now that people have started caring about housing, everyone hates it.
You for example Ginger, you tout about playing this game for over eight years yet this is only the second time you have made a video on this topic. You had an agenda, of course, as your friend was doing the housing gauntlet for days and just like this video, it was a lot of unhelpful rambling and ranting.
I would love to hear you talk about player accountability in the midst of this crisis. Why don't you talk about the people who actively purchase houses via RMT, thus giving the botters easy money and at the same time denying subscription paying legitimate players their chance to have a house? Or the players that go to the official forums and rant and rave, just like you did here, about how everything is broken and offering no constructive feedback that could actually assist the developers in making this situation more tolerable?
Heavens forbid that a subscription paying player is culpable in creating this hellscape we all find ourselves in.
The devs did double the amount of wards and they added Ishgard housing, are adding new data centers and Island Sanctuary is on the horizon. As well they are addressing the rampant botting via the lottery, or at least making it too much of a hassle for them to continue in huge volumes, but it didn't fix the problem completely. The devs are doing their part.
There is nothing constructive about your video, you are placating the people who would rather whine and cry about a system they feel entitled to rather than help fix any issues.
If I could make one major change to this system it would be to limit houses to one house PER account. FC or Personal, take your pick, but just one per subscription. It would crush so many loopholes.
We love FFXIV, but I agree on that housing system is totally dumb and terrible.
Hell YEA!!!!! I Totally Agree!! I have stayed away from housing cause I always takes breaks FF14 and regret the one time I did not knowing I was going to lose my house.
I do not like green eggs and housing ham. I do not like them SAM I AM!
the concept of the ffxi mog house is miles better than than any ffxiv housing idea. granted you can only decorate basically a studio apartment sized room, but its your space, given for free, just because you made a character. all of your storage, all of your mailing and all of your job management was done out of that house. closest place I feel to that these days in ffxiv is my room in the Pendants Hotel of the Crystarium. That is where I log out, at the bed, every time I shutdown the game since I hopped back in 2 years ago mid-Shadowbringers.
I have always refused to engage with the housing system because it always felt like it required me to stay subbed forever. Plus the old placard meta game was silly to begin with. Deal with that headache to be rewarded with an obligation… I wanted an in game house. Not an in game mortgage. ๐
I donโt think I could agree with this more. Housing needs just a Ragnorok event, destroy it all start over again!
One of the problems about houses is that there are a lot of empty houses and that there are many FCs that have only one member, because of house. Yeah its more fair to have lottery, but i agree that if housing could be instanced it could bring a lot of new things. I play FFXIV since WOW patch 8.2.5, because i wanted try it, i fell in love with this game, but still there are some personal problems and house is one of them, i play FFXIV about 2 years now (with breaks) and still i dont own house and i love decorations, i am creative person so everything about building, glamour, indoor design is my cup of tea, but sadly i lost chance to have house by one number. RIP my could have been house.
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Oh no. I think a LOT of us can agree and relate to this. OH SO MUCH.
The actual houses are amazing and show oh so much creativity. The lengths you have to go to get one? Not so much. You know what it reminds me of? Trying to buy next gen console. You have to hope to god you get lucky enough to be able to buy one when really, just like buying consoles in the olden days, the only barrier to entry should be cost. You have enough money? There you go. You get a house!
It's just one of those problems that would have a solution that would probably please everyone somehow if someone would just think about it for two minutes.
I love it when people rant because they didn't get a house lmao. Tbh, at this point, housing is to flex. I remember camping 19hr for an S plot at Shirogane beachside. I prefer the current system where I leave it to luck, much better for my health. And remember they add the condition that only 1 acc/house/dc, so yeah, if you don't get it at the first time, you have chances later. Or move to a server with less people.
Congratulations the winning number is "0"!!
even though I'm not particularly convinced on individual instanced housing I can definitely see and empathise with your frustrations. I don't think you should apologise at all.
I feel like people need to back up a bit and let the developers test out the lottery system properly. if there's truly no interest in it the devs may think about changing it in the future. this system was implemented to fix days of placard clicking not overhaul the entire system which it seems like everyone was under the impression this would be… people would literally risk their health and well-being for a house before… this system was meant to curb that.
Plus, (and this is an opinion so don't skewer me) individual housing others can't see would just bore me as a person who actively loves going house hopping in game. but that's my personal taste and I know I'm def in the minority here lol.
tldr; for various reasons I don't align with your stances on this but never apologise for thinking this (if anything your in the majority right now or at least the camp who's the loudest)
Honestly, they should've just nicked the "Dimension" housing from RIFT. It was instanced without neighborhoods, but that was only because you could buy certain pieces of land that actually exist in the open world and turn them into your personal dewlling place (within item limit restrictions).
I've seen people who bought a small island, only to ignore the land and build a whole area of Asian inspired fantasy buildings out of enlarged boats and other repurposed items on the water around it. Canyons and cliffsides with elaborate jumping puzzles, outdoor pools turned into snowscapes… the creativity was only limited by the amount of items you could place inside the respective dimension size. There were even projectors you could get for certain achievements or special currency that changed the sky and lighting in the whole area.
And the best thing? You could have several dimensions on one each of your characters as long as you got the ingame money to buy them.
But, I guess, the FFXIV engine can't handle something like that… I still miss my remodeled tavern turned mage residence in my self-made pine forest. So many hours wasted on PvP just to buy that night sky projector…
Also, yes, guild dimensions were a thing, too, and they had raid trophies like dragon heads and other stuff that you could display in them.
I ttuly believe that personal houses are a huge waste and mistake, it was originally not even planned and I think was a mistake to start. Besides playing house decorator simulator the main benefits to housing is FC content. If personal housing was never a thing I think the issues and demand would be alot lot better.
The housing system as it now is, is bad and should be scrapped, and I am saying this as someone who has a house ingame that I love. Housing should be the most casual content that everyone should be able to take part in, but due to some very bad design decisions it is a system that many are locked out from, and that is the part I hate about it.
As you said the areas are mostly empty, where I have my house it is at most me and a player who have access to my house.
So I say scrap it and make something everyone who wants to can partake in.
Go the Trove route where there are no permanent plots, yet your house is retained in data and summoned when you temporarily claim a plot (check out trove's system for reference)
I despise the new housing system, Dalamud the housing system, recreate ARR opening movie but this time Bahamut destroys all housing wards
I have said this since storm blood, private housing needs to be instanced with the ability for people on your friends list to teleport to. FC housing needs to be in wards with every FC able to have a house that starts as a small and through work in the workshop you can slowly progress it to a large.
IF they don't want to give up on the ward system, they should at least just offer the option to have an instanced house that exists outside of them. And no, apartments don't count.