Ever meet that random Legend Title holder in easy content, who seems to be making a lot of basic mistakes? How about the average Burger Crown Mentor? Well, there is a good reason why they might not be so great after all!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:41 Having a Legend Title
02:33 Not giving it all you have
03:14 PayPal Legends
04:13 Real Life Example
05:16 A Legend Player doesn’t necessarily understand how they did it
07:18 Mentor Crowns
09:22 Necromancer Title
10:35 Summary
12:07 Fun Fact
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A lot of good points, before I started doing hardcore raiding I definitely paid a lot more attention in normal contents and were almost always on my main job.
Since then I've cleared the tier and gotten most of the legend titles but my roulette performance has dropped significantly because:
1. I'm always on my alt job (I love my main job but needs a break after thousands of pulls on it)
2. I'm almost always greeding harder because getting hit is basically not punishing, and to me the more valuable experience is learning how to keep uptime (while avoiding getting hit, but accidents happen while learning)
3. It's been AGES since I've done some of the roulette contents and as a result, it's pretty common to get caught off guard by a raid/trial that I haven't seen in like months.
I don't sandbag by any mean, but my performance in roulette content is at best, above average, so if people expects some sort of god tier legend performance out of my title in roulettes they'd be very disappointed LOL.
Regarding the Mentor Crown, I'm going to share some secret knowledge :p
There also exists kinda like an underground society in the game that is farming one specific duty just to get a lot of commendations. If you specifically queue up for that one duty it usually will be an insta queue aswell. The goal here is to find someone else queueing up for it, who also "knows" which always happen, so you can give each other all the commendations while also getting some commendations from people that randomly happen to be here aswell. Then you finish the duty in 30 seconds and requeue.
I hug people, im a Gentlewoman
Things that matters is clearing hard content like ultimates. Good at casual content is nothing to be proud of.
Ohohoho, Sprouts. No, no the Crown does NOT mean I remember [random mechanic] from [random boss] in [random level 50 dungeon I get once every 3 months.] It means I'm good figuring it out on the fly, relaying that information to you, AND keeping you alive, all at the same time.
We've seen ToP beaten with 5 DPS and 3 tanks. I'd argue it's doable to beat Ultimates with 1 subpar player, provided they don't outright wipe the party. And then there are earlier Ultimates, such as UWU and UCoB. You can die in those and still clear the fights. TEA is apparently on the easier end as well. Not that I know any of that first-hand, this is what I've been told, so take that with a mountain of salt. I'm not an ultimate raider yet.
That said, I'm not even looking at titles all that much. It happens a lot that I'm entirely unaware of what the other players use. There's just so little reason to pay attention to that and I always assume players use a title because they like it. For whatever reason. I'm still using the "Defender of Eorzea" title and intend to switch to the "The Seventh Dawn" title (level all Trust NPCs to 90) once I have it.
i don't care if mentor legend suck if we can clear.
but if mentor legend off tank wiped the party repeatedly in a9n and wouldn't listen to the sprout, i'm pissed, wasting my time.
i said nice legend and left. true story.
I honestly don't like the mentor system in ff14, it's not super conducive to actual mentoring. I think the mentor system in AION was better(although still exploitable) as it was entirely opt-in and offered other benefits to the mentee so even a "bad" or completely passive mentor was still beneficial.
I like that my main character has not cleared most high end content, I primarily play on NA servers with some friends, but I also play with my old guild/fc on JP datacenters where I end up doing ultimates and savages. Meanwhile I mainly continue to play in NA because I like the people and keeps up practicing english. The people i play with in NA are a lot more casual so while we do current raids it takes a lot longer to get through them(though they also do mostly blind progression so of course things will take longer) while the JP datacenter group will put a lot more time into raiding(in the NA group i look more hardcore due to time i put into things and in JP I look more casual due to how much less time i put in)
All of that to say in NA people are surprised when I do content that i have no record of doing with relative ease.
I think a big thing that leads people into thinking most Legends are Paypal Legends is that in Race to World First attempts, "top players" have been caught cheating. While it's painting in broad strokes and isn't fair, it's what's usually the most highlighted and negative things tend to stick more than positive things. We even got plenty of "HE'S ON THE MOON" memes from TOP aha.
As for the mentorship crown, I think the system as a whole needs to be reworked. Very few of the mentors that I've met are actually in the program to teach newcomers. It's usually been jaded players just chasing the mount reward. How many stories have you heard from mentors who "dread" getting an extreme trail on their roulettes and usually just dip the moment the see the phrase "extreme"? That's not exactly what you want in such an important role. Teaching new players how to penetrate into any MMO is a feat worth propping up, and I think FFXIV deserves better than what we currently have.
Recently, I ran into a mentor in Syrcus Tower.
Level 50 content that everyone involved wasnt doing new.
He had an 8 message long sound effected Macro dedicated for calling out when a Ninja uses Doton single target, a VERY COMMON MISTAKE. He put ONE SPROUT NINJA on blast for the entire raid for making a mistake, and it wasnt even in his alliance!
The entire raid started to dog on the edgelord samurai to the point he shut up and pulled the "I dont care" card, blacklisted and got blacklisted by the entite raid
Oh yeah I knew a guy that cleared ultimates but then died like 5 times during a normal Alliance Raid lol
When I go into duty finder as a job I'm not good at, remove crown, Heart of The Party title. Cannot be having people looking at me with expectations, gross
I do tend to give the benefit of the doubt to legends and say might be an off day or the sort, but when an Alpha Legend with the TOP weapon runs away with an enumeration stack 3 times in a row in E6N, and also spends way too much time away from the bosses (Not keeping uptime), that's when I really start to have my doubts. But it is important to always remember it's a person on the other side, so treat them as such
I knew palace of the dead was gonna come up. I just wanna point out before he says it or before I hear It. Learning to beat palace of the dead solo is almost going against how you're supposed to play most classes. It's the same for soloing any content. You're supposed to burst as hard as possible and survive as long as possible so a lot of rotations go out the window.
If you ever soloed any raids on a tank You'll know sometimes you have to be very sub optimal.
Be excellent to each other.. you don't need a crown or a title.
I just assume people with crowns and "Legend" titles are bots or bot runners and gold farmers; FF14's notorious for being hush hush about farmers running bot teams and scripts in hard content since the fights are heavily choreographed, so I figure it's just to "validate" "real players" "wink wonk". Admittedly newish to 14 (started at the end of ShB), but I've been playing MMOs for years, bots are just part of the game so I don't particularly care; I'm honestly only annoyed when a duty takes way longer than it should because my teammate's AI shorted out and they decided to run tank that day for the extra rewards.
Great video as always most recently this video is so important for discussion. Most of the time I see players in random dungeons they are trying to chill. I also know qlot of tanks that run dungeons think differently then those that run ults only
i say this about 90 % of the crafters in the game most use macros and never learned what there skills do . I only learn this about some crafters when they ask me what macro i use to get last step of the last 2 relics i was surprised telling them it/i don't work that way make a lot of them not even try after that
I can't speak on the titles, but the Mentor System really needs some sort of change.
One idea I had is like a "Mentor Rating", if even a "thumbs up/thumbs down" system; falling below a certain threshold puts you on a cooldown for a set time, say one or two weeks, and you have to do something to get the Mentor status back again. While some bad eggs could "abuse" the system and just downrate every Mentor, I feel like the amount who would do that are the minority. Likewise, it can still allow some bad eggs to be a Mentor, so whether such a system is really worth it is questionable.
Alternatively they change the name of it from "someone who can teach you things" to "someone who has played the game a lot" and just make it a title. I feel like most people know the prestiege of the Mentor Crown is long gone, so such a change shouldn't affect a lot.
Also alternatively, only display the crown if a Mentor queued for Mentor Roulette; it's something where they actively know they may have to teach things to people, so having something to point "this person is here to help" feels more appropriate.
i keep my sprout badge even though i’ve been more knowledgeable about something than everyone else, it’s a badge of pride that i will only remove when they take it away from me, my crown is sprout shaped.
I got the only title which has green in it bec I wanted a title that has green in it. I will not be completing the corresponding relic weapon.
People with clears on ultimates are not infallible. I'm very good at the game but I'm also lazy and never really sought out clearing ultimates. I have done plenty of savage though. I got invited to join a DSR group shortly after it came out. We did end up clearing it eventually.
A while after I got dragged into a rubicante extreme. I had never done it before because I had no reason to outside of getting the mount. No time to watch a guide either. My friends dragged me along. I died like 5 times. It was a disaster of a fight but we still cleared in 2 pulls anyway.(safe to say I got carried) I might be good at the game but when I'm doing something I've never done before with no guide I'm gonna make mistakes. Regardless of the title above my head. Hell even with a guide I'm still gonna make mistakes. Practice makes perfect no matter how good at the game you are. The only difference between a great and mediocre player is how much dps you do, how fast you pick up mechanics, and how consistent you are at executing the mechanics. You could be the best player in the world and it doesn't matter. You put them into any hard fight, blind, and they are most certainly going to die. That's how fights are designed in this game. There's a certain amount of trial and error.
It was funny though when my friends made the obligatory, "Heaven's legend by the way" joke whenever I died.
Exactly! I have over 10,000 hours and several top 10 scores soloing deep dungeons but have never even done an extreme or savage. When doing new content i actually take off my necromancer title because i feel bad when people see it and expect me to be good and then end up disappointed… Even in deep dungeons when playing with others i sometimes get mistaken for a beginner due to the reckless aggressive playstyle i have adopted due to scoring
I got most of my votes from 5v5 and then soloed ifrit unsynced, lol
I hate bloaters. When they have a need to tell me how good they are. What new mount they got, weapons or whatever they feel a need to bring up. i let them simmer and just troll them with the random facts of their inability to, for example, SAY WHEN THEY SUCK AND WHEN ITS OBVIOUS THEY DO! I got one guy that couldnt shut up how good and top dps he is by looking at the ENIMITY! Than I picked Warrior and shared my screen to him with dps meter to show him how dumb he actually is… never texted me again.
As a stealthy mentor (I hide my crown to avoid drama), I can confirm this video speaks sense. I know a lot about dungeons. Not everything, but a lot. But you ask me about the Alexander raids, I know next to nothing. I don't do deep dungeons so I know very little. I've only just started savage raiding and have not done any ultimates. The crown means almost nothing.
DRG main with a crafting title just in case i happen to eat dirt while running content no one is surprised
I'm decent at every job. I used to wear my Ultimate Legend title before I got the thief map "Luckiest of Lords" title that I will never take off.
I'm pretty sure I ate the floor multiple times on regular content because I "turned my brain off" during an alliance raid when I had a rough day at work and I was playing Black Mage of all things.
I think it's fair to try your best in all the content. But there's a LOT of circumstances on any given day that will explain why a person with at title/crown can absolutely eat shit lmao
I don't think people should really associate titles/crowns with people. They're just… people.
Unless they're flaunting it in shout or alliance chat and are showing signs of being a Paypal Legend… just be kind to each other.
People put Ultimates/PoTD clears on a pedestal too much.
You absolutely can have people that have made it to end game and even cleared a savage that have no idea what they are doing, we had to give a gladiator a tanking lesson in a normal dungeon the other day. And no that's not a mistake, he didn't have his job stone equipped and didn't know it was important yet somehow had the perfect legend title, I am 100% sure that he bought that account like a week ago. I was so damn frustrated by the end of the dungeon if the other players hadn't made it funny I would have bailed, we did get a banger of a joke that "dawn tail bard tank is now confirmed" lol
seeing an explosion of necromancer, jack of all cards, <xxx> legend, world class trollers, etc. often, on sprouts. doesn't make sense to me. I have almost 4 years on my main, and dont have many of these. ill never do ultimate.. im older and slower. but necromancer is no small feat. I struggle to believe they are all egit. i have to assume that many are PayPal legends.
I'm a mentor that finished all endwalker savage tiers and finishing tea but I cant remember for the love of god most of extremes that happen on mentor roulettes
i've chosen my title because it fits me irl, imperial nuisance
I remember being very confused over the fact that the worst player in our static, one who didn't even know the basics of his main job's rotation, had the P4S mount before P12S came out. People were making all sort of conspiracy theories about how he could get it. I dared to ask him in private, and later shared what he told me with everyone else
Me: He wanted it, so he let his girlfriend play, and get it for him.
Everyone: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I cleared Savage multiple times with different Tanks and UWU as GNB (working atm on TEA also GNB or DRK) but i will never heal extrem or unreal content and when with the "braindead" healer like Whitemage or Sage
(i did it once for my unreal farm static and it was "OMG EVERYONE WILL DIE! THIS IS TO MUCH FOR ME!" (the other healer say i was not so terrible for my first time 
))
Tbh its unrealistic to expect that someone with high experience in some case will never make a mistake.. i mean its not even FF14 i sometimes watch Rainbow Six Siege Esports and their are some well… "copper rank" moments that shows that even the best can have a bad day.. or brainfog etc
Its more the difference how often you fail (failing one.. two times is absolut normal but when you cant play it after 15 attemps there is maybe a problem (not understanding)) but also your reaction about that "Seeing the own mistakes is a big green flag!" i read a week ago in a TEA Prog Group
Tbh but also something like "Paypal Legend" is the reason why i dont show my Legend Titel or Ultimate Weapons etc to avoid mocking
Now Big Fish or Mahjong Master, those are true skilled players.
that closing comment was SO sassy
I personally tend to neglect the Expert and Level 90 Dungeon roulettes. Last night, I got entered into the Fell Court of Troia. It was my second time doing it, with my first time being when I went through the MSQ. I kept getting vulned, got died a couple times, because not only had I forgotten a lot about it, I was also dusting off my Steam Deck as a PC main. Then I queued into that dungeon again from today's roulette. It was basically flawless with a few controller fumbles that didn't involve getting vulned.
Also that real life example is me. I used to run a lot before 2023, and stopped after overuse injury not long after running a half marathon. In 2023, I got lazier and heavier, but I still had my gear with me. I started out this year adhering to a 5km training program. I actually do feel kinda weird like my clothes suggests I should be good at running, but I'm still going very slowly, as I remember too well how important pacing is when training from full-time desk sitter to 5km.
THANK YOU! It's good to hear someone else say all of this. I am a Mentor and have been on the receiving end of the "aren't you supposed to know this fight", question multiple times. Content that was current at the time even. I don't know EVERYTHING about the game, but I could give very simple lessons on about 80% of what is in the game. I am also a lore player so I could teach you a bit about some parts of the lore of the game (only a "bit" because I don't make a point to memorize every little tidbit for now). If people want to throw the "mentor knows all" assumption around, I say we need another level of mentorship that is only achievable by completing a long checklist of tasks that covers EVERY aspect of the playable game. Like completing the achievements for all A and B rank of every zone, completing all of the "Tankless Job" achievements, completed all achievements under crafting and gathering that involve gathering/crafting a certain number of items , etc. A list that REQUIRES you to know everything.
Another thing to recall about titles specifically is that they don't expire. Mentor crowns do, so having experience with current, or at least recent, content is necessary there. Titles? Well, what if the player took a break for year or three? Necromancer won't expire, but the job they used is different now. It may be an adjustment period or they may not even like the class they cleared PotD with anymore. That's just one example, but you get it.
I'm pretty close to getting my "burger king" crown and it's always alarmed me at how many people make a huge assumption of skill at this game of people who wear it. The crown is meant to mean you're here to help. That's it – you've put in the time, and you're here to help. I'm here to help, but I never claimed to be an expert. I've never cleared savage anything, I haven't done extreme trials – it's not why I play, as a mostly solo adventurer. I'm here for the storytelling, and if that makes me bad according to some, so be it. I think being helpful and kind counts for quite a lot; if people need a savage raid expert, there are plenty of those! I don't have to be one.
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Back in Shadowbringers, I had the battle mentor crown.
I was definitely ready and willing to help players in things like dungeon content or most MSQ trials but over time I definitely lost my taste for the hardest content.
Mentor roulette was never going to be for me.
So when Endwalker happened and my crown expired, I never went back to renew it.
I'm sitting on over 5000 commendations and I'm sure I have all the jobs that I need leveled.
But I just don't want to those expectations on me again, let alone the negative reputation that sometimes comes with the crown.
If I’m doing a 4 man dungeon and I see that the others are giving their best, I too will give my best, however if the opposite occurs and you have a tank doing 1 mob pulls or dps not doing dps, then I’m gonna just auto pilot and watch YouTube while heal botting the tank.
I’m a penta legend but I don’t wear those titles, I think they’re cringe, except for maybe heavens legend.
When you have a mentor title and die on the first boss of Lunar… lol
I was made aware of just how bad the RMT for ultimate clears really is. And know of people that make money off of it… doing it hundreds of times. It is very sad that people pay money to NOT play a video game themselves.
I personally know some really bad players who clear savage and ultimates through sheer repetition and months throwing their face against a wall. They still earned the titles and weapons themselves, and while they can't even do normal content properly, I don't mind them showing off their achievements. The basic mentor crowns are a bit different though as you can just get them after playing for long enough. I only wear my crown to let others know that I'm here to answer your questions if you have any, and I feel really bad when I mess up when wearing it as I worry it makes other mentors look bad.
As a multi-legend
Yeah, I'm bad at this game lmao
Good vid! I just disagree with the take that an ultimate raider is possibly someone not knowledgeable about the fight or the game. A person with a "thats good enough" mindset and no exact knowledge of mechanics or rotation will be incredibly unlikely to clear an ultimate because of how the ultimate community works, on a social level internally. Maybe 3-4 dozen people who are actively progging anywhere in a given ultimate, at various prog points spread through the fight.
If anyone ruins one prog group by being bad, or mediocre, it will be noticed. They do it a few times where they are holding back the group, and people will warn others about this person, or even outright refuse to join once they see this bad person is part of a PF group. And while it won't be immediate, that person will ultimately be blacklisted and won't be able to prog further until the current community moves on. But by then, the blacklisted person might have gotten out of practice again and must re-prog up to his old point, and if he continues being bad or mediocre… he'll be blacklisted again, and so 'stays stuck'. Also would happen for statics, perhaps even more so because statics do tend to go through a vetting process first, and they generally want to clear faster than Party Finder in the limited hours they get. So if you can't keep up, you will be set aside and replaced fast.
In essence, a legend title does mean the general skillset that someone IS capable of putting themselves into a pure prog, hardcore performance mindset that is another step above savage raiding. That's all it is. It doesn't mean they will always WANT to do this either, because it costs a lot of energy. Nor that they know how to translate that skillset immediately between fights, even if it's easier content than ultimates.