No idea it was this bad. Good grief man.
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Yea wow players hate p2w But they still stick with it. Why? Probably because they have spent years playing it and why move from one p2w mmo To another?
yeah so spend $15-20 then sell the token for 100k – 300k gold depending on server, you're pretty set now to boost and then the game hands you gold for existing and if you're really greedy just keep buying tokens
u are trying to say wow is p2w? stop clickbaing about something u have no clue about, u are only making a fool of urself and make the FF comunity looks ignorant and toxic
pls dude stop talking about something u are clueless in all th video u dont even get that what u get for the wow token is GOLD and u can do whatever with the gold.
Boosting is a strange one. Why would you pay to not have to play the game, that your already paying for? The people who do this don't want to play the game, they want the prestige of having the best gear and transmogs for clout in a community they value. They see top streamers that they idolise and try copying them but you can't recreate a streamers experience in your own gameplay, it's much harder to get the top gear by yourself when you have to put effort in to forge relationships in the game, rather than have everything given to you. Boosting is a shortcut to being like the streamer. I have never boosted because to me it seems like cheating. My success is for me, not to boast to others, so taking shortcuts is only cheating myself.
Of course there are some reasons it could be seen as reasonable, for alts, moving servers etc.
I don't think this guy has any idea how gold selling works. You could always do this in practically any MMO, bliz just made it official while adding the ability to buy wow sub time with gold.
i remember the time where i played the game to farm ISK in eve fr plex and gold in wow to buy the token,
and at some point i realized i play the game to buy the gametime and not play the game to play it.
the time to grinding ingame money for the monthly abo is in no relation to the work you have to do in real life.
even you have not many money in real life its still worth to buy the token. or just stopp playing and try to improve life
Wow has always been pay to win, you could buy epics in vanilla. People will always RMT, but Blizz essentially legalising RMTing has exposed just how powerful gold is in the game.
The people behind wow players buying in game currency with real cash don't play the game- they probably have a mortgage to pay and they probably don't even acknowledge it as something concerning. The game devs, and the bean counters are not the same people.
so, question, why would you play with a boosted player if you know they probably dont know the mechanics because its so hard to look up mechanics these days? its my understanding that in FF14 a new player has a green leaf near their name? meaning they are new, so why would you run with a new player that is clearly a boosted individual?
Wow has issued but tokens are not one of them. They are also not pay 2 win.
Activision Blizzard only cares about the almighty dollar. What the WoW community are going through at this time is the same things that most of the Call of Duty community has been dealing with for years. Of course some major differences.
I've thought this about Wow for years. Blizzard doesnt care about subscriptions aside from marketing purposes, which is why they hide the subscription count number after WoD but only because it looks bad. Whales are the real source of income from blizzard. A single whale player, especially those with multiple accounts, easily can make up the revenue for 4-8, even 10+ normal players who only pay the monthly subscription.
the issue is, the vocal part of the playerbase all hates this stuff. We care about it, we just have 0 influence on the devs
I stopped WoW PvP because of it. I always played only casual random battlegrounds for fun. Now imagine somebody buys best PvP or mythic raid gear exchanging irl money for gold and then gold for spot in pro players team. Gets OP gear. Stomp me like bug on few buttons. Its like there were no templates in FF, you went PvP as scrub in dungeon gear and some Savage raid overlord(or what is highest tier in FF) just two shots you like NPC. Thats Shadowlands PvP. You have 3 options: get pro level good/buy boosting service from tryhards/quit. There is no place for just doing only casual PvP anymore because there are no ilvl restrictions and gap is huge… WoW is just unplayable for me as solo casual PvP player
Wow tokens are very pay to win
Boosting harms the fair-play and integrity of a game.
Its funny that you say " how is this not killing the game?"
boosting and stuff is a problem yes, but when you play wow for years.
The More expansions and what not you experience Bad systems and Gating, to actually just PLAYING
The boosting comes second fiddle unfortunately.
Legion was the last great expansion, anyone will tell you
Bellular forgot that Eve online also has something similar to a WoW token.
You can buy tokens and then use gold to clear literally any content.
The game isn't as pay to win as people set it out to be. if you go by the prices on my server you'd literally have to spend thousands of dollars to be anywhere near competitive with how RNG loot is now. The vast majority of people buying wow tokens likely buy them to have some extra gold to throw around at mounts. transmogs. consumables. and more. I personally don't care if people buy boosts purely because their buying boosts for reason. If you take quin69 for example. he's a good reason why no one should care about people buying boosts and skipping ahead. they may have the level / gear but they don't have the knowledge to go with it. That's why i have no issues with some random guy spending hundreds / thousands of dollars to get carried through heroic raids each week. Because in the end their just harming them selfs by doing so. I only pve with a close group of friends and we push high keys. maybe boosting would effect me if i was a solo player but i wouldn't even be playing wow if i was a solo player so theres that lol.
Blizz doesn't care what players do as long they get a cut.
Id take anything that "Work to Game" says with a grain of salt, they are notorious with their clickbait videos. Probably saw a couple RMT's and made a video making it sound like an infestation for clicks and comments.
Get in pug groups fast on my holy paladin… My enhancement shaman not so much
Absolutely true. None of the things that anyone is complaining about affect me in any way whatsoever. So when I got on youtube and saw all the FF vs WoW vids I'm sitting here confused as shit… I've just been collecting pets in wow for the last 8 years lol.
Yeah in ffxiv you can easily pay a chinese dude to carry you even ultimate raid , the only diffrence blizzard made it so they get a share of the money in ffxiv it goes directly to the chinese booster, the weebs acting like they're shocked when thier own game filled with boosts too.
Worst part on wow current stage, is that you will either need to bubble yourself, or do a party by yourself, but knowing that some (most) of the people at it will have in some form of boost, or just need to boost yourself up to be able to be accepted in anything, even with relevant achieves.
The thing is in Wow, the PTW aspect of the game is "Informal" if you will, meaning they (blizz) do not sell power on their page, as other games that have bundles position boosts etc. That is why the player base, not all of them, do not concider it as PTW when it is. Also the Wow token was intended as a way for ppl to pay their monthly sub without having to pay IRL money, so you have guids that offer the "service" of boosting, like pvp rating, heroic etc. to pay for everyones sub, at least that was what my would do. And yes, is that kinda bubble the one that blinds ppl to think the game is not PTW.
The reason ppl dont see it as big of a problem as it actually is… Is because it's one of many things that's destroying the game… Also all the big guilds in world first race all rmt massive amounts of gold for the race
Make it that you can only boost when you have finished the Stormblood expansion.
first of all wow is not pay 2 win.,… i agree what bel say in the video, and its a problem… but you can buy yourself to achive more then what you otherwise could, if you was good at the game… if you play mobile games.. like summoners war, then you cant be able to competite on a higher level.. unless you spend like 50k+ dollars on it… that is pay to win….. in wow you can still achieve everything by just being good.. you cant in alot of competive other pay 2 win games.
I use the WOW token to play the game for free.
Wow refugee here and yeah it's bad even on classic wow where there isn't a token yet.
5:58 I remember the titles in TBC made you really proud of your accomplishments, then wrath came and titles were like candy.
Achievements lead to this. Once yougot achievements for downing bosses,
people started demanding the achievement to take you. So you needed to kill the boss before you could kill the boss.
Now if you don’t have a guild you need to buy a boost to fake clear it, just so you are allowed to try it for real.
This shit made me quit
How is the wow token pay to win? Its for subs. WHat people are buying them to sell ingame? THE illegal Carry sites dont take tokens or last i saw, so take them out they will still exist. This topic is confusing. I dont see the token as pay to win
For those of who have jobs and cant afford to sit there and play auction house and farm stuff, the only way to make the end game gear (legendaries) is to … BUY GOLD… someone else crafts and you pay them a crap load of gold ($20USD worth) for one max tier item. That's when I realized it was time to head out.
On my realm, my guild was one of the first to clear all m0's when they were opened up (2 weeks after release IIRC), and already there, there were people selling boosts, for mythic dungeons on "normal" difficulty. The first sale we saw went for 150k gold for one run through each dungeon, which you can call "cheap" considering one expansion made people millionaires if not billionaires, but to pay for boosts through some of the lowest tier end game content is just.. wow (pun not intended)
You have to be very very far into that bubble to not see the problem, all you have to do is just look in trade chat or group finder, i think most people accept it because "it's just gold" which is a fair point since there are also RMT going on, advertized in the group finder (ironic since the gold boosts are also technically RMT, considering you can buy gold through blizzard)
Also, honestly i can't keep track of blizzards timegating so the mythic 0's might have been available from the start and we were clearing them by the second week, but yeah.
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WoW token is more like pay to catch up than pay to win (with the acception of world first guilds paying top pvpers to boost their pvp rated for some early gear that would get replaced in the following months with proper raiding gear) skilled players use boosting as an alternitive to tradiditional gold producing methods to be able to buy their raiding potions, consumables, echants, exts. but its NOT pay to win in my mind, it caters to people that don';t have time to farm herbs, making and selling potions ext.
Its worse, you can buy tokens with ingame gold, turn it into cash value on your battlenet account and buy game keys to sell online or cash shop items inn Call of duty etc. its not just pay2win, its CROSS GAME LEGALISED RMT PAY2WIN with a direct line to irl monetary value so you can both turn irl cash into ingame gold, and turn ingame gold into real money or to use inn other Battlenet games, encouraging not only RMT but also botting for gold for free irl cash / money to spend on other games and bnet. Its beyond screwed up!!
they're talking about 3-4 kinds of boosting here bro, theres pve boosting like in ff14 where people buy max lvl characters, also seems like theyve mentioned selling end game content runs, also def talking about selling boosting your PVP arena rating which is a personal rating for each person that you can have raised for you by getting a very skilled&geared person to just 2v1 the enemy team and you get your rating boosted artificially, and can then equip VERY high item level gear which requires… i havent played in yrs but think it was like 1750 and 2200 or 2250 for shoulder and head pieces of the 5 pc set… usually max ilvl BiS type gear.
Part of the term "pay to win" is "WIN", nothing about the wow token makes you win. More gold doesn't help you complete pvp content, more gold doesn't help you complete pve content, no amount of gear is going to carry you in either of these activities even if you buy gold with real money for the purpose of buying raid/pvp boosts. While your character can be made stronger with gold through BoEs and boosts, at the end of the day this doesn't come at the expense of anyone, because again it's not going to help you win.
In most asian mmos with high levels of P2W, gearing systems are based off of RNG enhancements rather than flat gear drops like in wow, in those games you can literally obtain a power difference of multiples against other people and kill them even if you're a literal monkey.
Whether or not in game gold should be able to be purchased in game is a different argument, one that I have not picked a side on (you can't really stop the chinese from doing it nor players from buying it from them). But let's keep that seperate from wow being P2W, because it's simply not.
Stuff like Wow Tokens and Runescapes Bonds is that they're a double edge sword.
The Good: On one hand they help fight gold farming and by extension botting by cutting into their potential profit/customer base. They also give Free to Play players an avenue for playing as a member, this works a lot better in Runescape though since you can actually interact with the market as a free to play player. You can't use the auction house in wow on a free to play character and you can only go to level 20. So you need to play as a Member in wow to get enough gold to buy a token.
The Bad: It is Pay to win. Simple as that. Gold can't get you best in slot in Wow, but it can easily get you into raid ready gear, and buy your way into a raiding party. There is also so many other benefits beyond gear that you can get in wow with gold. In Runescape it can be even worse because a lot of the best in slot gear is tradeable.
Blizzard is actually against selling achievements through gold, it's against their TOS but in the end they don't care much as it keeps the subscriptions going and they earn money by selling tokens. You buy a token for 20 euro but it's only worth 30 days of playtime or 13 euro if you use it as a battle net balance for example. That said, tokens aren't the only way to get achievements, there are tons of sites that are selling them directly for money, just use google for a minute and you get a lot of options…
The WoW token does not meet the definition of Pay to win. Pay the skip, yes… but gold is actually worthless in "winning" WoW. In order to "win" WoW, you need speciality currencies, that you usually only get from high end PvP or raiding.