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So whens the EW Bard macros for the true throw back? Kappa
One thing I don't think you explicitly mentioned was the change of songs from being spells to abilities. When they were spells their recast was reduced by Army's which meant the rotation was actually a lot less rigid (one of your complaints) so it was possible to adjust song alignment during fights, and that dying was much easier to recover from (one of the previous big pros to being a bard versus dancer or machinist).
I definitely feel like they're going to be removing most dots across the board; I think they said there were too many before and it was actively said it was becoming a problem for their coding. I would love for them to make a new class or two that specialized in dots, like an Alchemist or a Warlock, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just removed them for simplicity and never added new ones.
Just started leveling bard, much needed, thnx!
Dot classes are my favorite archetype as well and it really saddens me they seem to be going away from the dot centric DPS. Summoner lost ALL dots and bards dots are just there now. I used to play Shadow priest in WoW and it was a big part of its idenity so I just naturally gravitate to dot DPS and it kinda sucks they seemingly are going away.
Well, bard is still the second worst dps on the game? I mean on damage. The first we all know is Dancer.
It's super awkward conceptually to have the "DoT job" have no mechanics/actions related to DoTs (Iron Jaws being a refresh aside). DoTs not proccing songs is one thing, that while I don't fully like, I can at least understand the reasoning why. But then you have things like making sidewinder a flat potency instead of variable based on 1 or 2 DoTs up, that just leave me scratching my head when it doesn't make a huge impact either way given SW's CD length, yet it adds to the job identity being more muddled.
They really need to pick a direction and fully commit to it when it comes to BRDs DoTs.
It's the only really awkward part left on the job design.
I had my friend and I both bard for dungeons, I lost my mind when I saw the songs can stack now! I had mages up and he had armys up.
i agree with happy's point of wanting DoT focused classes but i feel that the job fantasy of "bard" and "summoner" aren't really connected to DoTs so id like to see a new job focused on DoTs and with the dev teams thoughts when making reaper a maiming job its likely in my opinion that one of the jobs in the next expansion will be a scouting and there lies the chance for a DoT based job maybe saboteur (i know speculating on 7.0 jobs this early into 6.0 is basically useless)
As a person who experienced all the same frustrations with shadowbringers bard, I respectfully disagree. I donât think that tying the song procs to dots made the job more enjoyable – it made it a headache. Additionally, Iâm okay with the half-bloodletter procs. A few less buttons to click means I can focus on the fight more and stare at my hotbars less – if they wanted to make mageâs ballad stronger again, just increase potency of bloodletter. That said, I do agree that they should revert the apex arrow/blast arrow window to 30 seconds. Thanks for the video!
I can understand not wanting the DoTs to feel trivial, BUT, if they're going to tie dots back into procs they need to give a DoT spreader for AOE and/or just rework Mage's Ballad entirely.
Sound takes. I think most people are in the general "there's a lot to like, but a lot of problems" boat.
I'd be stunned if any sort of DoT proc came back though, just because it seems very unlike SE. The best we can hope for is probably we get cut down to Caustic as a lone DoT, and Iron Jaws and/or Stormbite are redesigned in a way that interacts with it somehow.
As much as anything, I don't understand what stopped SE from making the call on removing DoT procs much, much earlier – it's not like there was any surprising new feedback after the media tour that could have prompted it. Most of the issues with the kit feel like SE simply not having time to complete the rework as properly as they normally would.
I don't remember anyone talking about half of these changes in the media tour, the dot proc change is huge
Ha i like that i am not the only one who returned to finish the ark with the class they started on in ARR but for me it was monk. Looking forward to that video
I think the removed the procs from the dots because of how annoying bard was in dungeon aoes
I am glad I like BRD again, my "og" SB main. Stuck on melee for the first tier but I know I will main BRD at some point this expansion… if they do not manage to rework and break it for some reason.
I've been maining Bard ever since I started the game and honestly always loved it. It was actually the only class I had leveled for a long time xD. I share your feelings and changes you would like to see and glad to see you on the job! đ
My theory for making Bard's Repertoire stay focused on DoTs without making them rely on DoT ticks specifically would be to make Repertoire rolls happen when using a weaponskill on a DoT'd target. Obviously proc rates would have to be adjusted to account for a 2.5-2.4s GCD, but eh, you still know when it rolls and you can play around that.
Speaking of procs, I find the single 80% roll to be enough to where it has some RNG but doesn't feel too inconsistent. Bard's Repertoire procs in Shadowbringers (and I think Stormblood's, from what foggy memories I have of that) felt way too volatile and uncontrollable for my liking. In the back of my mind, I always worried about wasting procs from either overcapping Pitch Perfect, losing it near the end of Wanderer's Minuet, or having Bloodletter "refresh" while still off of cooldown (oops, used Empyrean right when Mage's Ballad procced, goodbye 150 potency).
Lastly, using DoTs in dungeons without an equivalent of SMN's Bane to spread it felt wrong to me, and once your DoT'd enemy died, you now had no Repertoire for the rest of the pack, and so had to waste time reapplying your single target DoTs.
It's funny, but a lot of people (myself included) have somehow ended up back on their ARR mains after all these years. In my case it's Summoner, even though it's far from perfect it's been a lot of fun to play.
Bard main since 1.0 and still love it with all its up and downs..yeah even the heavensward cast times ^^
Man, I feel the same way about the class as you said. For me it's definitely the dot interaction and mage's ballad proc that kind of lost me for Bard. To me, that felt like its identity and now it feels lost with the new song procs. It makes the repertoire procs feel… rigid or slow. The class doesn't feel active with dots anymore
Personally, I hope they just chop the DoTs and focus in on songs, psychic-ish kind of mind affecting abilities like a traditional Bard and really focus in on songs, support and loads of arrows and procs. I think the issue they keep running into with DoTs is just that the jobs they put the most focus on them with, don't match so they are forced to split focus with something else and it makes both seem forced together and weaker than they should be, why Dancer completely overshadowed Bard in ShB and SMN was always either way too strong or way too weak and clunky. I'd rather just see them introduce a true DoT job in the next expansion and go ham with the DoTs and debuffs there.
I don't like bard.. reasons.
Its not a archer.
Its opener the worst where you need have a different bar just make it work.
The upkeep. Dots, songs. Need drop the third song because why..
Bad rng
Truthfully, I think Bard needs a rework.
what you could do with the DoTs is make the base proc chance 40 or 50%, and the song will have a higher chance of giving a proc for each DoT that's currently ticking (by 10, 15, or 20%, I'm not a math wizard so I don't know what would work out the best) up to a maximum of 100%. Just a thought I had while listening to your ideas.
I keeping thinking they are going to eliminate dots in the future
God I do not enjoy bard. Leveled It to 88 and I just can't play it anymore. It's just sooo boring.
I like Bard, but i wish more MMOs gave us an actual bard like Rift did. I like support classes, add some buffs and do a bit of DPS as well, i know Rift is dead but i still love the way the Bard class was set up in that game
Bard just needs Potency buff for Bloodletter maybe?
Very sad to hear the Bloodletter charges made them nerf Mage's Ballad so it's not a net gain. I wanted Bloodletter charges on top of the EXISTING Mage's Ballad
Bard….the most boring class of all time!
A class i never see.
Biggest loss to me is that BRD has lost the crown of being the most fun dungeon class by a country mile. DoTing the pull as we run and then puking out rain of death like candy was the reason I leveled the class in the first place, so I feel that's kinda been lost from the class now. It feels more consistent, but that means a lot of the fun madness was lost as well.
Sidewinder needs a buff or at least bring back the dot potency buff so our dots have more meaning
I really hope they don't do away with dots on brd. dot classes are fun and I don't want them to just kill the archetype in ffxiv
My friend and I did a countdown to change to the job we were least looking forward to leveling up and we both picked bard lol. While she was away I got it to 90 and I can't tell you how strange it is to really enjoy bard again. I don't think it'll be replacing machinist in my heart but god the changes feel extremely good
How much to not be a lala?
Still a brd main here đ€Ș. Wouldnât it be better to have more dot abilities. Lightingbite can be a thing. What about waterbite? Like what happen too all of the bites?
The dots having become meaningless is sad, but otherwise, it seems like it will be very fun.
Barrded
I kind of wish DoT potencies were up or they had like a 20% chance to grant 5 soul
NoâŠI love how the dots donât fuck up the songs anymore. Like we cleaned our ears and now can hear our own songs and just benefit off procs normally now. So youâre kind of on your own with that bud
ALSO to add that I use wanderers, then army, then mages ballad. I love the fact dots donât effect songs anymore cause when Iâm not in battle or have a dot up, then my song gauge is still building. Which to me is very helpful in a passive way. So no I donât agree. I respect your opinions thoâŠeverything else tho I mainly agree with frfrđđŸ