It looks like it is that time of the year again. The FFXIV drama about using AI generated voices of the FF14 voice actors just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Let’s talk about it.
These are the video clips I have used in the video. I don’t support ANY kind of harassment. Be nice and normal.
https://youtu.be/seyv6hHvtCA?si=XxKUiP5Fk1HRv6NH
https://youtu.be/vE0Lm9mFbmw?si=w_po4JETpHz9UXXg
Thera are so many disagreements on AI and how it’s regulated. I believe it’s a subject that needs to be talked about more often. Creators, VA’s, and Artists all deserve to be paid for their talents and not have an AI system using it to take all their hard work and years of experience. And if they are featured in a video, there should be proper credits given to them.
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Thank you for sharing this. The fact this even needs saying is just… come on people, please have common sense and show respect to the VAs, especially if they take a stance on something you're using to shortcut their jobs for. Keep being amazing Avy ^^
This has major SSSniperWolf vibes lmao
The discission around AI reminds me of the meme copyright drama people had years ago and tbh as long as corporations aren't using it to circumvent paying their VAs or Artists I don't really care. I think some people need to go touch some grass and put down their keyboards till 7.0 releases xD
Honestly I don't get what the issue is with AI voices. People on the Internet have been doing this sort of stuff longer than AI was around and nobody batted an eye. People are just afraid big companies will start using AI as well. The thing with the news flash tho? That's honestly highly unprofessional. I saw that scene and I thought it was one of the guys' many MANY bunnyboy alt character he had in the video, not an actual person he had beef with on twitter.
Yikes.
Nobody bats an eye when copyrighted models are used in model viewer but when it comes to voices, my god you better be prepared.
I really don't get people who use ai voices for characters. Like, I don't get why people use ai in general since it is terrible but why not just use splicing from the lines the character already has to make new ones?
If some random person on YouTube can splice three lines from the merchant in that weird Legend of Zelda game to make a Stronger than You parody, then SufferHymm could have done the dialogue for his videos by using the hundreds of lines that the FFXIV cast has
What's the difference between using A.I. or doing an perfect impersonation?
The VA's don't own these characters, SE does. If these actors quit or pass away, SE will replace them with a sound alike or a maybe even gasp A.I.. Modding and using the games assets are more of a crime IMO than imitating a characters voice.
his videos are great, nuff said
Common sense is in short supply in RL so why expect it to be any different online?
Thank you so much for making this video this guy blocked me after the initial controversy and i really hope square enix and the voice actors go after this guy
I had worked on a review of an anime where I wanted a character to say a line. I make no money from the video, but still preferred to hire a real voiceactor and pay them, because my opposition to AI. I rather pay for something that'll make me no money, than to use these vile tools
I find the dude's videos obnoxious and unfunny, that being said he did nothing wrong. People getting mad at him just need to get a life. Standard twitter users. If you're upset about someone using AI voicing go outside, end of story.
2 things here:
1 – This is old news, so I can only assume the "drama" well is running dry, which makes this kind of sad.
2 – Unless you can give some objective reasons why AI voices is bad irrelevant to how you FEEL about it, all you can really do is cry some more about it. Otherwise, it's no different than any other form of automation we've seen in the past when people ree'd about it or even that of which we still see now. In short, get over it.
there is two forms of ai.
legal
illegal
i am not wealthy or rich, so my series of at least 500 videos with over 50 characters, will have to be used as ai voice acting. which will be legal, due to the law under the dmca cause i am researching this. 26 states have laws in place on ai with consent. in short legal ai.
i only came across one post from the voice acting of ff14 scion of the seventh dawn. in cases of legal, one person cant speak for the others unless they all spoke out against and that i cant find, i just only found one, and he didnt use their voice.
i'm one for legal ai cause they gave consent, as we use ai everyday in our lifes, and if you make orders online, phone calls, thats legal ai for voice.
If AI isnt taking away financial opportunities from voice actors, isn't being used to smear someone's reputation, and isn't affecting anyone's resume or future legitimate job acquisition, then the use of AI is acceptable in my eyes.
None of the original voice actors are going to miss out on future job postings due to his videos.
No ones reputation is being smeared via deep fakes ala racism or some political propaganda.
No one is having a potential job being taken from them.
People want to argue that no one should be using AI voice work for ANY type of project but I think that's incredibly short sided and extreme levels of bias that reminds me of the time where the conservatives wanted to ban Pokemon and Magic the Gathering from schools way back when. I would hope these same people keep that same energy whenever someone releases a AI short with Barak Obama, Trump, and Joe Biden playing Star Fox 64 or Warframe.
Now if sufferhymn started getting a good amount of revenue from the time spent growing his channel and continued to use AI voices despite having the budget to pay for every role to be voiced, that'd warrant harsh criticism.
nah. not the right move. it's uncool making videos like this fueling hate for someone because that's all it ends up doing.
Thank you for speaking on this. When the first situation happened it really was was an unpleasant feeling especially given how much of the cast alongside other voice actors have come out about being against AI usage for their voices. It's not too difficult to go about finding people to impersonate especially given how that one newer video had the impersonation which just makes this more why??? And god the bit throwing punches at that user who called them out is just so childish and disgusting. I'd seen that user's threads on the matter and how they included means of both supporting the voice actors with links to every ffxiv voice actor with a cameo. I'm just beyond words. Like I'm just disgusted. Again thank you so much for speaking on this.
Wait until the voice actors find out about this youtuber and they get sued ^w^
I agree using AI is kinda a slippery slope in general, but moreso when people are asking you not to, and SUPER squicky about attacking that dude personally (low)
but also claiming you hate drama while making an entire callout vid on the topic despite not being personally involved is a bit… ironic. Mixed messages. I am fascinated by all of it, personally lol
I follow the person who was harassed and called a pervert and seeing that initial tweet from them was freaking wild because what do you mean this person’s response to criticism was to make a THREAT?!?!?
A good team, working together, that gets along well and is consistent can turn a productive business of entertainment into a lucrative one. Just look at Supergiant Games.
The same camp from the person who made G-shade, I see.
People use AI voices for other parody content for elden ring for example and noone has had a problem with it. Why is there such drama about this one??
Wait so it's the fact an AI did it thats the issue? So if someone mimicked there voice like alot of comedians do for famous people, it would be ok?
Few things I want to throw my two cents at. 1 he did not handle the criticism in a healthy way. Plugging you ears and screaming "lala" to drown out the "haters" is childish. 2 I feel like it's like Nintendo if you don't provide a legal means of getting a hold of something someone will go through unscrupulous channels to obtain it. Now I'm not blaming them for taking a break from Cameo and the Machina creator is being impatient. 3 as long as there is no monetization what is the problem with using AI voices? To me it sounds like a model being pissy that someone snapped a picture of them with their phone on the street.
We have 2 issues here,
1- is AI generated content
2- is taking someone's likeness without their consent.
And We really need to keep in mind that those are both two very different things, And just keep in mind that there have been lawsuits in the past on this topic, back to the future 2 I think had one involving it.
Honestly if he keeps acting this way its best to support Cloudie Mcdoom's 14 skits, he doesn't use AI, can take criticism and you can actually follow the story.
Drama is the mortar that holds the FFXIV content creator community together.
Be smart Avy, just say no to the Drama Llama.
The found dead thing was deffinetly just a bit about someone he didn't get along with online. He wasn't threatening him lmao
Asking some people for common sense is just way too much, sadly. Clearly it's the same with basic ethics.
The internet can be such a sad place sometimes.
Didn't they also mention somewhere that they are a psychologist? That scares me for their clients tbh.
If they aren’t paid it should be fine, relax.
This reminds me of something I thought about weeks ago. I thought about doing some voice lines for my character and posting them and I already had the voice for him in my head BUT he's a VERY well-known artist and then the common sense came to me "I'm sure if I do this it's going to be VERY bad around here" so So I decided to search for free use voices (and there are a LOT of them out there) I'm still researching and when I find them I'll finally give my OC a voice…
Who honestly cares. Tired of all of these high and mighty moral warriors, get a life.
Can you make video on how to get a ffxiv girlfriend
When youre hating because he makes better content than you and is actually entertaining. 🫠
The same people will use mods that straight up use ripped models across multiple games and not give a damn. It's weird, idk.
I don't see why this is an issue. I look it no differently than making old school machinimas using Microsoft Sam voice. I really wish people would stop dogpiling on this guy.
I don't like that guy.. and now knowing he's got AI voices in his work gives me even less reason to give him the time of day.
I find it funny how hard some people push back against AI art. If your job is at risk of being replaced by AI, its a skill issue. Git gud.
i love Sufferhym’s videos and i feel so bad that they got harassed like that. They’re still making funny goofy videos tho which is good! ❤ Love ur vids Avy, keep up the good work! 😊
I think anyone who hates this guy, or what he is doing, is a clueless moron. His reactions to the insanity are justified. Tell me, in what world is it okay to "splice already existing lines" to get a voice actor to say something they never said before magically okay. But not have an AI just do it, and do it better? Tell me, in what world is it okay to have someone impersonate a voice actor perfectly to the point where you can't even tell the difference between them to once again say things they never said. But not have the AI just do it easier?? The community just wants him to jump over difficult hurdles to accomplish literally the same fucking thing he can just do with AI instead. He doesn't need anyone's permission, he definitely doesn't need to pay anyone. People need to back off.
I absolutely despise anyone who tries to criticize another content creator unjustly like this. Same kind of crap is what got Jocat to bounce from the internet. Hostile arrogant endlessly whining complainers who can NEVER be satisfied no matter how "woke" and "virtuous" you are. Jocat was pretty spotless and even he got harassed. This is why the other guy who uses AI does not give a crap about what these complainers say or think. You can never…. ever satisfy these people. They will always find something to try and cancel you over. Best to just tell em to F off and ignore em.
The guy is just a jerk, straight and simple.
As for the voice actors themselves, times change. Sorry you guys developed a skill that will be made obsolete in the future. The milkman had to get a new job. The horse taxi carriage people had to find new jobs. The window knockers had to find new jobs. Various types of office positions have been invalidated by software. I still think they have not much to fear though. People will always prefer to have a real person behind a character over an AI for high quality productions. Having someone like Keanu Reeves is what sells your game. Would anyone have cared nearly as much about Silverhand if he was just some AI character?
Also they're probably going to have to learn some new skills to stay relevant. Like the BG3 cast who all know how to act. Morphing more than just their voices, but actually keep their face and body in character as well so the recording software can transfer all those movements to the in game model. We're not going to just instantly change to AI overnight. Or even probably within our lifetimes. It'll be something nice to compliment what already exists. So a smalltime nobody youtuber like this guy can make QUALITY content comparable to what Larian studios is able to do when they get their VA crew to VA for a different youtubers promotion of their game. It'll ease the load for games that have thousands of NPCs that all need to have their own voice. You give the main cast a real actor, and have the background NPCs be replaced by AI.
There's no reason to hold ourselves back because someones job may get invalidated. No such job should ever have that type of special privilege. We should all aim to have all of our jobs and careers invalidated if possible. So we can just focus on doing what we want for fun and not for monetary value. That brings us one step closer to a utopia where we work for fun and not to survive. When everyone doesn't have a job to rely on then the governments will actually have to cater to what they see as "the worthless parasites" of the "homeless". Because if left unsupported then everyone will be homeless and will eventually riot and take people in power out of power and bring us backwards into civilization hundreds of years most likely.
100 people or so complaining about something isnt "the community" no one cares, they just want to tear someone down. Its plain old twitter brain rot.
i was gonna say that icon of the censored male viera looks familiar! i know who they are but wow that’s horrendous
That's rather unfortunate, I liked the guy's previous videos and was willing to give him the benefit of a doubt that he made a mistake and would learn from it, instead he doubles down and acts like a smug jerk about it, all while attacking others who rightly criticized him. So yeah, dropping my sub and blocking further videos, because he's only going to get worse from here.
Waiting for that Wuk Lumat voice AI mod.
Avy, you are indeed bored and jumping into petty drama over some hobbyst video. Right now both AI art, AI voice actors are used everywhere, just as games developed as so. Also it didnt look like he was threatening that person, pls touch grass indeed
I mean, he just had a video come out and people are watching so I don't think people care as much as many members of this supposed "positive" community did. Here's the truth – a bunch of wanna-be voice actors think they are going to get hired by people based solely on guilt trips and it's not going to happen.
Speaking of common sense? Anyone with common sense knows they aren't owed anything. Anyone with common sense knows they are nobody when they are nobody. Most people in the FFXIV fanbase sphere seem to think they are very important. You aren't. If this creator can't afford to pay a VA, he's not going to hire one and this also common sense. Nobody is obviously beating down your door any any of the other whiner's doors to use them for VA work. If they were, common sense would mean you are too busy to complain about this stuff online.