Is WoW Shadowlands 9.2 new Andiun cinematic just a RIP OFF of Final Fantasy 14 Estinien?
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Well at least they're trying to inspire themselves and improve their game. 😂
Heavensward is so good. Even watching this comparison, watching the heavensward cutscene makes me shed tears even now. Wow makes me feel nothing…. Imagine one is from 2016
can we appreciate how the art directory carry shadowlands at this point
For me not they didn't, and that's the problem.
If we compare these two by way of having two ghosts helping out in both cinematics/mmos, the same can be said of that moment in Harry Potter and the Goblet of fire and Harry's parents helping him. 😉
The only reason the music is good in that WOW cutscene is becauase it's older music. The music in Shadowlands in general sucks.
It's okay to feel bad for Nidhogg because he was also a victim, in the sense. His feeling of vengeance over Ratatoskr's death was so great it consumed what or how he was before the betrayal, so death was truly a mercy to the great Wyrm.
Let's be real we all've seen that 100 times before HW. Still fun to troll wow players with that.
Look for the cinematic when Y'SERA from WoW dies in Val'sharah and compared when Nidhogg does, exacly the same except the Nidhogg dies on June 2016, 2 months LATER LEGION was released
That fact that Arthas and Saurfang was felt out of place is the reason why it feels ripped off. That scene was shoehorned into the cinematic. To be honest, a mysterious voice and a flashback would have served better imo. Also, many people liking the copied cutscene for WoW is the testament of how well FF14 is well presented.
Funny thing is I got both introduced to WoW and FFXIV franchises in the same year. So seeing 2016 in game cutscene of HW had more of an emotional impact for me since you actually spend time with the characters in game. Meanwhile in WoW once you hit lv 50 in BFA you just get zoomed to Shadowlands. So seeing some of the main characters for the first time I was like "Who the heck are these guys?" Like I have more of an investment with Pelagos, Kleia and Moonberry than the main WoW cast lol. So when I saw the Anduin cinematic and it showed the spirits I was like "Oh its that guy that I sometimes see on the log in screen, I don't know who he is. And is that Orc that Garage guy that we killed in the last raid?"
what kind of stupid question is that i mean comeon… "Shadowbringers" and then "shadowlands" comes out…
Fuck ff man. Here i am, sitting at work listening in, and simply hearing when ysale and haurchefant appear brings tears to my eyes.
I think this is a pretty fair take but I would also say that some of your argument, not necessarily saying it is entirely wrong, is flawed for one simple reason: They have been doing this with their story and even some of their art outside of this, regularly. They consistently take things from their direct competitors and recently they have been doing quite a bit of that with Final Fantasy. Something done once or twice is an outlier but when it is done repeatedly it becomes a pattern and, frankly, Blizzard has been a one trick pony for a while now. They don't really create anything of their own anymore, they just copy pasta everything and do just enough revisionary work to fool the teacher into thinking they may not have directly copied their friend's homework.
And in this instance I think it's quite comparable to a math equation. An question on a test was something along the lines of a+9(0-3)x2=14 and a=1. Then you have two students that sit next to each other at the back and one of them is really bad at math and the other isn't. The one that is good at math does the equation, arrives at the correct answer and shows their work. Ok, fair enough. Then the other student literally just put 1+9(0-3)x2=14 and doesn't give you anything to work with. And you know this student has a track record of copying other classmates work. I'm sorry but I think giving them the benefit of the doubt is probably an unrealistic stretch most people are not going to grant them.
Interchange the equation with something more complex for the sake of argument if you like but the core of it is that these two cinematics are the same math equation. Both of them have the same numbers, the same problem to be deduced and all the same pieces as one another. One of them has shown their work and doesn't have a record of directly ripping off any of their competitors and in fact what they have 'copied' they have advanced upon and expanded into becoming their own IP entirely independent of the original source material. And one of them has done nothing of the sort and has a long history of directly putting into their game what their competitors have in theirs and shamelessly so in recent history. And in a patch where WoW has directly multiple things from Final Fantasy 14 as well… I think giving this scene the benefit of the doubt is quite generous to say the least.
Tl;dr I respect the argument you are making but the problem is one of them has shown their math and doesn't have a track record of copying homework and one of them hasn't and has a history of copying homework. Isolated instances are one thing but consistent patterns are another.
I'm not shocked. When WoW first released, they literally made up the story as they went along just because they wanted to make a video game. There were no "threads" since WC3. There was a repurposing of someone else's work. Steve Danuser couldn't write a suicide note with reference material on hand.
Definitely felt more like fan service in WoWs case. Wasn't as impactful either, probably because it's hard to establish emotional attachment to anything in the Shadowlands.
When you get some sort of emotional attachment to watching a scene again in a story you know the ones that made it did something great. I've never felt really that for WoW in such a long time that it makes you wonder where has WoW really gone. Like one of my fave dungeons still was the one we went back in time to see the whole plague play out with Arthus in the city and it even struck me when I played warcraft the game as well. Arthus to me was never a bad guy but was controlled because he wanted to stop a ever growing plague that threatened all his people. Where has that story gone and how they ended it was the shittiest way they could have done and I hate it like really guys get your head out of where ever it is and write a better story.
At low points of the game the lore and story kept some people onboard. Sylavanas abandoning Forsaken/Horde for some character behind the scenes was a mistake. I left FFXI for WoW years ago. A 17 year subscription with no gaps. Even if I didn't play the game my subscription was active. I believe the shitty storytelling broke me as much as the poor state of game play. I now play FFXIV. Warcraft subscription canceled 6 months ago.
Arthas best fallen hero done dirty sigh.
Dude watch the other video from him it shows way more stuff but I does have some spoilers for FF tho but there are alot so yes bliz did copy
wow players do all the work and never ever get into the cutscenes
Varian and Saurfang were there because WoW cinematic it's from Anduin perspective, not the player like FF14, both spirits are part of Anduin's will not the actual souls.. It's like when Gohan kill Cell with Goku's image at the side.
Watching the "side by side" lol, I can't say it was an exact copy, if one at all. Its certainly not as bad as the Chinese gaming company stealing panel for panel the shadowbringers trailer. However, I do know that WoW takes from popular pop culture stuff often (Pandaria, right after Kung Fu Panda? xD). I mean, if I am an FF developer, I would take it as a badge of honor if wow steals from my ideas haha.
Besides! Star Wars did Force Ghosts long before lol. And I'm sure that idea was inspired from something else possibly.
edit: what matters i feel is the execution. I can't speak for the wow cinematic, I haven't played wow in like 10+ years. But the HW one was soo good, I had chills rewatching that. Y'sayle gets me all the time xD. I miss that expansion. It was just so good traveling with non main characters. I cannot wait to replay that with the new msq updates next patch. Gonna be so fun running Trust with Y'sayle and Estinien.
edit: holy shit, Anduin is mad old now xD. Last time I saw that brat, he was standing off to the side in Stormwind minding his own business.
Do you really think they’d make the effort to look into other games ? I doubt it
I will say that yes there are definitely similarities, though as mentioned that's down to established tropes. Neither is specifically copying the other in either direction. I think if the scene stopped at Anduin being cleansed, with Jaina's hand on his shoulder, far, far less people would take umbrage with it. I think what irks people more is Arthas's final breath had zero impact. I'm not saying he needed to Obi Wan force spirit himself in for a couple of lines because that would have been cheesy AF, it's just that Uther and Jaina got no closure at all in that scene, and the one person who did get closure, Sylvanas, has been hated for so long due to the wonky writing direction that it felt off.
Guild wars 2 stealed something too the gunbreaker job, look on youtube: "Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons Elite Specializations – Bladesworn" on their main yt gw2 channel.
I dont really see the similarity in the two cutscenes. As much as I dont like Wow, in this case I dont think they ripped off 14.
Love how Uther says nothing about tossing Arthas into the maw thus dooming him to no possibility of redemption or atonement.
Yeah I agree I don't think it's WoW stealing from FFXIV unless you also want to say FFXIV stole from WoW with the whole Estinien/Nidhogg thing basically being the Arthas and the Lich King. A friend of mine once pointed out Swampthing and Manthing were basically the same character but one was Marvel and the other was DC and they both had their first issues within a month of each other. Sometimes people come up with the same ideas completely independently because of they live in the same world and were inspired by the same things.
While I also think that them showing up is kind of out of no where it does at least make a little bit of sense that spirits show up to help when you're in the afterlife. Even if it would've made more sense if you actually found those character and brought them to the fight instead them just showing up.
I don't really feel that it is a rip off, maybe inspired in but that's fine in my book.
Varian and Saurfang both died while wielding that sword (both after going from arms to fury warriors BTW) Perhaps that was the poetic license used to have their spirits connected to the blade and show up when the blade was being misused for evil purposes. Again, FFXIV does cinematics so much better as the Warrior of Light is the star. WoW's famous "maw-walker" was nowhere to be seen in that cinematic, Only NPCs that don't do DPS, heal or tank were in the frigging raid cinematic… LMAO! So glad I unsubbed in 9.0 and started FFXIV.
Goku did it for Gohan at the end of the Cell Saga.
Blizzard has NO creative talent. Over and Over and Over they have proven this . They don’t even understand what quality story is , they can’t even copy and paste successfully. Every action shows us how untalented and clueless these people are . Please Microsoft , save us from these trash pandas 🐼 there killing the game we love 💗
i like how FF knows the time do let the silence speak
Lol I only played FF for 6 months and that one cut scene stirred emotions in me as I knew the story and the arc it all made sense . F you blizzard you just suck . Please quit and the leave the game to people who care, F you blizzard for killing something awesome with your awfulness
you should watch WoW copied FFXIV homework AGAIN by Quazii
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What is wrong with having them actually in the game??? Are they saving these characters for books too?? PUT THE CHARACTERS IN THE ACTUAL GAME.
Who's behind these decisions?
Literally too lazy to even render a ghost Arthas or something? He should have came out of the sword and dragged Sylvannas with him after her garbage monologue.
feels like they did i mean last expansion didnt they basically copy the fall of saurons tower for nzoth.
If they ripped it off it could have at least had good writing behind it, i think they are just incompetent, simple as