Did Louisoix have knowledge of the future thanks to Hydaelyn? And are the Twelve deeply connected to the Scions of the Seventh Dawn? I break down the details of one of the craziest Final Fantasy XIV lore theories I’ve ever seen.
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I love the use of Legend of Dragoon music. Good stuff. Great vid too man
Pretty flimsy theory. I watch this channel for actual lore, not reddit asspull speculation. But i'm sure everybody else will love it so… That said still gott leave a thumbs down.
There's a lot of different avenues and points to consider in the theory which always makes for the most fun and rewarding ones regardless of the outcome. I really enjoyed it. Thanks to both of you for putting this together!
Papa Louie saw Allie kicking ass and smiled
if the twelve were the people with Venat in Anyder then The WoL couldn't be the incarnation of Azeyma as Azem didn't join them this is known since they refered to them as 'The Deserter" Azem supported neither the plan to summon Zodiark nor the plan to summon Hydaelyn
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So much of this saga wasn't predetermined that the advent of ANOTHER big change coming and with everything we know now man i'm excited for this channels future lmao
If they are incarnations, would Hydaelon know it was them? Venat/hydealon could sense the WoL, wouldnt she be able to sense the others? Just a thought.
While its a fun theory, I think overall it ends up not holding upto intense inspection. Lots of little things, like how we are now already meeting the 12, so why would there be them AND "mortal incarnations" of them at the same time, especially when they also admit to helping out from time to time during the after quest of doing the first alliance raid. Also how its really streching it thin when it comes to trying to pin each god to a different main character/scion. If anything, outside of the name its self, the WoL would be closer to Oschon, given the seat of Azem was about wandering the star, helping out those in need. Older incarnations of this theory were a little more believable, but given the patch content of shadowbringers, and now the new alliance raids, I just dont see this being a believable plot point any more. It would either makes all the mortal incarnations irrelevant, or would just make more of a mess when it comes to pairings.
I think that while this is interesting theory, i personally don't like it very much. Just sort of the way it suggests everything is connected in a way that i guess rubs me wrong from a writing perspective. However, the stuff the mol grandmother says is clearly a glance beyond the veil so to speak, as she says things no one apart from our friends perhaps should really know, suggesting certain unknowns about the way the world works (or perhaps she too has a version of the echo)
He at least knew the Warrior of Light would carry on in his stead
I love tin foily hat theories, and I have some of my own.
Did for example Hephaistos create what is considered in present Eorzea, the voidsent? Or overly darkness aspected creations?
If you see the statues at the end of The Weeping City of Mhach, they look very much like Hephaistos. Also, both High voidmage Cessair and Cait Sith are to be observed in Elpis.
During the void ark raid series, Cait Sith shares with us the purpose of Dun Scaith, that it was made to protect the ancients against the floods in plural, indicating that the flood of darkness most probably was not the only flood that happened.
So this might mean that the void ark was made to protect and ferry the souls of the ancients.
And if you look to other FF games for similarities, a very similar story of this is found in FFIX with Garland, the Invincible and his duty to ensure the survival of the souls of Terra.
In FFIX, Garland created cloning technology to house Terran's souls, while its known that cloning technology was something Emet-Selch possessed.
Garland also mentions a quality of memories that is similar to what Venat told you about memories, aether and the echo.
Garland tells you this while traversing Memoria, a place conjured by the planet's memory.
"Life is connected, one to another… If you trace the root of all life, there exists one source. The same can be said for memory. All life constitutes an intelligence that holds memory beyond experience."
Venat tells you on Elpis:
"There are two ways to see the past.
The first entails peering through the walls of the soul in the moment a subject is recalling a memory.
The second requires no subject, and is instead a process of piecing together an event from ripples left in the ambient aether.
As memories are etched upon the aether of the soul, so too are they etched upon the aether of the world. In this way can history be preserved.
Such memories are given to fading, however, and can prove challenging to visit".
Not the biggest fan of wild speculation and theory crafting but love your videos nonetheless and I'm glad you got your voice back and seem to be feeling better
I had an interesting theory I've been thinking about recently. I think it could be viable, but only if FFXIV ever gets an actual ending, which would be the basis of this theory.
My theory is, that we are not Azem, but rather, Azem is us. At the end of our journey, we, somwhow, become Unsundered, and with our knowledge and power, return back in time to the point where we first appear, possibly becoming a child or infant, and live out our life as an Ancient, eventually learning under Venat, becoming friends with Hythlodeus and Hades, before becoming Azem. Azem seemed to know events that would take place, us falling onto Themis is the Pandæmonium raids being a prime example, but they also had an instinctive hatred of Primals, denouncing the summoning of Zodiark, and not answering Venat when it came to Haedalyn, something the WoL knows that Azem did. We don't know what Azem was doing at the time of the Sundering, but they could've been alone, preparing for it, reminiscing about their time as the WoL, knowing it will happen again soon. Trapped eternally in a time loop, never knowing rest. A sad, but also happy existence, as they'd never remember any of it.
What do you think? There could be more evidence to support this somewere, it just needs to be found.
I love Tin Foil Hat Territory so much that I've set up a government there, and I'm applying for statehood. I wonder if I can get representation in Congress (like Puerto Rico).
What if Hydaelyn created the “The (benevolent) Twelve” gods after the Source was sundered to give hope to all newly sundered life? Is it possible that she created these gods in the image of her faction of 12 scholars who helped her create Hydaelyn? Kind of like how she created the Watcher on the moon? And a whole freakin’ race of tiny rabbit people (looking at you Lopportis). And could it be possible the Archons of the present are some form of the souls of those gods that came to be after the sundering?
And why in the world do NONE of the Archons have the Echo? 5 of them were there in The First when Elidibus “gave” the Echo to almost everyone in the town square, but those five were not effected by that? Is it possible, since the souls of Venat’s faction of 12 were obliterated, the new souls she created had no memories of the final days, thus are not susceptible to the Echo by means of visions of the final days?
I like it…always thought to myself if the ascians are what we get from zodiarks summoning whatever happened to hydalaens summoners…this would be kool
I doubt reincarnations as they're still there lol maybe their children or unknowing fated desciples
LoD menu music, you devil!
What no Estinien?! I would say he's more Rhalgr or Halone. Let's not forget Tataru… She's definitely the God of Commerce
. It's hard to place the twins, I would say Alphi takes his grandfathers place as Thaliak, after all Asmon does call him the redditor. Aliesae, idk, Llmlaen maybe. Cool video tho.
II love this video. I hope you’ll do the Variant Dungeon next.
This is something I'll need to think about a bit since I hadn't considered how our companions might line up with the 12, but I'm glad the 12 archons were mentioned because their info in the Encyclopedia stood out to me. It's even more interesting to hear what that one npc in 1.0 had to say. Very interesting.
It's definitely interesting. The only thing I don't understand about the theory is this: If they are incarnations of the 12, how does that work in the context of us literally meeting 4 of the 12 in person? I guess they could be the phantom version of our physical incarnations? It's a bit unintuitive there.