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Why I play MCH as my ranged:
Drill go brrrr
Maybe the whole concept of Ley Lines is why BLM feels so bad to play.
Especially when they also put the hardest mechanics to line up with your ley lines. (every 2 minutes)
black mage needs to do 1 or 2% more damage to make it worth running. currently it is barely better than most other jobs and requires way more commitment from your party and yourself to pump out good results
Summoner is not more a class 3 Buttons ggwp
I WAR, I MAN, ME SMASH, ME CRASH.
Finally some real Red Mage recognition bretalfloss's puppet rdm would be proud. Really brings a tear to my eye.
Woo the only 2 classes I play summoner and ninja are top tier!
DRK’s been nice to me for semi-casual static savage prog, it’s just free extra damage and the most flexibility in covering mistakes with TBN having the 15s cd instead of everyone else’s personal defensive being 25s, can basically singlehandedly protect someone getting dropsy or clipped by a gloryplume. You even get a tiny bit of protection against Weakness since Living Shadow isn’t impacted by it, so it ends up really forgiving.
Warrior is a S tier job, since it's so self sustainable it let's healers dps way more then any other tank. Probably the best MT in the game by far. Ppl forget damage isn't everything in raiding.
Was this tier list made while on drugs?
It hurts seeing my Black Mage in the C tier
I don't do savage raids. So Warrior is the best for me.
personally, can't see placing both mages in s tier only going to take one and smn normally wins out due to it easier to play and you get more damage on average. id swap rdm and brd also swap ast and dnc and place whm in c tier. Also, gbr and drk should be swapped and pld dropped to B. I cannot remember last party I have been in that did not have a gbr. It is most all-around tank only reason you have the other 3 is because you can't have two of the same job.
BRD a whole tier over DNC, when DNC brings some of (if not THE) best off healing and utility in the game, on top of being equal to BRD in rdps, AND much more flexibility in adjusting its 2 min burst window? Yeah this list is a joke.
I just started the game, and I was told if I picked BLM, Yoshi P would protect me from bullshit like this! Am I gonna have to level RDM at 50? Bad pvp and bad pve? Give me a break!
I appreciate your effort to more strictly stick to the tiers, I’m glad you took the criticism Despy! Great vid as always
People doubted me when I said Nin would be strong. Even had someone try and say Nin was "nutered". Welp, look who's top dog now.
the Thing with the Kaiten Removal is that it makes Kenki irrelevant, there is no interaction between Iaijutsu and Kenki anymore. All the Kenki Skills could be put on a normal cool down and nothing would change. Samurai in 6.1 feels terrible to play in PvE until they #BringBackKaiten
Man I really can't take of his tier lists seriously
It could help a lot to start off this list by saying what style of play the list is for. For example, if you're progging, red mage and white mage are amazing, but in speeds black mage and scholar/astro are almost must. It's hard to make a list for both, so it could be best to just make a list for one and then another list for the other.
If you are going to use FFlogs to help make your decisions then you should go by nDPS right? To rule out buffs and to show how the job performs in a vacuum
God I live for a tier list tbh ^.^
I hate the whole BLM needs to be adjusted for its bs.
I progged on BLM no adjusts and was pulling not only high BLM dps but also carrying the prog damage.
Honestly after playing new SAM for a while, I honestly like it.
There is so many things wrong with this tier list
It's crazy how good Dragoon is nowadays. It has always been well rounded job but now they made ut better.
I think if we are really talking about classes. A good sinergy between classes can place some classes higher than others.
Just anecdotally as a DPS I have seen all the tanks I've done savage with always be grateful if we get a Warrior in PF because of the short cooldown on Holmgang. They generally say "I don't even have to discuss who is MTing to start and how we are handling TBs" because they know the WAR can get the first and third one and they don't have to share/swap a double tb. So I would say that WAR's self sustain in high end content is still pretty good.
I think doing lists with + and – makes it a bit easier to see where they are at so saying samurai instead of being S teir it could be A or A+ now just because it did get slightly worse but its still up there.
Reaper is definitely not s tier it's the weakest compared to all other melees, crest is good, but it's never going to carry your group through a mechanic it relieves healer, but it's certainly not s tier
really wanna try ninja but i currently main war, play sage and monk. none of these jobs have particularly fast burst windows..at all lol or have a lot of cooldowns to manage. note that any class i "try" i would be taking into savage so that's why im nervous lol
6:40 Isn't that like an argument for S Rank on the Sam if you say its easy to get good parses?
I think looking at other tier lists is a mistake. You should personally tier it then compare it – else you’ll be tempted to go with peer pressure
BLU is SSS tier.
Don't laugh! Why are you laughing!?
Thanks for making monk the bottom from all DPS again, now we can wallow in sorrow again just like 5.x
Who would have thought that you'd have to specify PvE in FFXIV? Great patch, great video.
I feel like when it comes to lists like this it should be set in stone what the basis for the list is going to be. Example "This list is based on Prog & rDPS only." Going back and forth between prog vs. speed and rDPS vs. aDPS constantly can feel confusing on how you are judging a job. It can also lead to viewers potentially feeling that, while opinion, a bias may be prevalent to how a jobs are being tiered.
I don't understand the negative feedback. This list seems pretty accurate imo lol. I think wars sustain grants it being a little higher but comparatively to drk damage wise its hard to compare the two
Samurai is in a very weird spot right now. It’s outclassed in every way by the shiny new toy in Reaper and doesn’t really have a position to fulfill anymore. I agree with removing Kaiten because it made the job weird and unintuitive, but I feel like it needs more work throughout the expac to get in a good position.
How are you gonna title your video power/meta tier list and put the most damaging caster below every other caster? And if you’re talking about prog, the world first P4S clear had a BLM in the team comp
drk player here – lets gooooo 🙂