Hey all, Husselbeh here. This is the first video I’ve uploaded on this channel. I’ve done videos previously on a joint channel with my friend called Gamingxpr3ss.
I like delving into my thought and questioning myself on how I felt at different periods and with different situations. Today I bring that exact thing but with the topic of WoW and Final Fantasy 14 and my experience with both.
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No Clip Documentary on FFXIV:
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0:00 – Intro
01:05 – Wow Background
11:49 – FF14 Background
17:00 – Clear Comparisons
22:15 – Outro
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Great game but the community is insufferable outside it, being extremely hostile when it comes to taking and giving critique no matter how small it is. Also sometimes people tend to be too kind in game, can't even give tips in good faith if someone is clearly having a difficult time on a boss or with their skill rotation without someone barraging you with mean comments.
I played WoW from Burning Crusade until May of this year. I quit out of boredom, disappointment and frustration with what has become the zombified corpse of the game I once loved. One day I googled “popular MMOs” and FFXIV turned up at the top of the list. It was free up to level 60, so I gave it a try and now I’m hooked. I’ve leveled to 80 on two jobs and I can’t count how many times I’ve come to a cutscene or quest or dungeon fight and thought, “There’s nothing like this in WoW.” The emotional involvement in Shadowbringers is like nothing I’ve seen in any other game, and even in very few books or movies or TV series. It’s of a quality far beyond what a game strictly needs to be commercially viable. That speaks to the culture at Square Enix and among the FFXIV team. Again, there’s nothing like it at Blizzard. After 14 years of blindly believing I was playing the best MMO in the world, I can now clearly see how wrong I’ve been.
"Low DPS, get out" WoW players are trained to revere the damage meter. It's stupid.
Whilst I am enjoying my playthrough of FFxiv and enjoying the story treating me like an adult, my biggest beef with the game is just how inconsequential the world is. The zones are pretty, but you can run past every mob without engaging 99% of the time, they leash and reset very easily. And the zones really lack a sense of scale. Everything else is great, but I just can't get excited about being out in the zones doing MSQ.
Bruh, we literally started playing WoW at around the same time. man. I missed those days.
Omg Endwalker is almost here 🤘🏻 XIV is the best MMO, forget WoW.
Always sad but relatable to hear a WoW quitting story.
I played from burning crusade to wrath of the lich king almost religiously, then took a break for a while. But every two years I would buy the new expansion and 3 months game time in hope that it would spark some sort of old WoW fun again. I tried one last time with shadowlands because I loved WoW classic but now I’m hooked on FFXIV and messing around with New World. No MMO is perfect, but man is it nice to have the WoW rose tinted goggles off.
You know the sad part is??
The students has become the master and the master has become the students.
B4 realm reborn Yoshida actually asked everyone to try WoW and they know the core of mmorpg. Then a realm reborn arrive with the experience from wow but they design in ffxiv way.
It's now WoW need to copy what ffxiv did to stop the player leaking even if it cost of destroying the world and create a new one.
big true
only 12 years????
Meh i hated ffxiv but found gw2 and omg.
Glad you have been having fun in FF! I played WoW for around 15years since 1.3. I've seen that game go up and siren and parts of me wants to go back to play it but at this point the friends I made playing it no longer play. So if I play WoW it's just a single player with a story that has way more lackluster parts then high parts.
FF may also have that single player addict as well, but to me, it had a way better story.
The style of graphics drive me up, not the classic japanese style or how i would call it, but the coloring and just the quality of it. The community was actually worse than they always say about wow s community, they were so much in game and were like so real they couldn t understand single joke or just non real thing u say and then they will fuck u up for it mate, happend many many times and i played it till like 75 lvl or smt. They told me the beginning is boring and from 70 or from the first real expansion it s fantastic or at least gettin much better and for me it was all the same almost but with less zones. The style the game is using in so to speak their language is really boring for me, i mean that they are too much pushing on the like super ultra happy world with sunlight everywhere and all of that and it felt so much for children main game bro, and that was all the time they act like fuckin children man, all the characters, it causes that their conversations are so not comfortable for you that u start to think it s just a cloud and the new players want to feel like there s finally new good mmo for them but it isn t and they know it. But i know that was just my exp so go try it and u ll see, i enjoyed the samurai skill and the visuals of skill of his own pretty much btw.
Coming from WoW to FFXIV, I feel like I’m coming from a toxic relationship to something so refreshing.
Man you are giving some of the best messages with what you saying about WoW. Because yes, the dev's must stop thinking about themselves and understand that they must sit and make a game be that again. A game. Something we do for fun and not for work. That is the main reason many people leaving the game all together. And I, too don't say this because I hate wow. Gods no. The game has so much content over the years that is only pure neglect that truly failing it. Blizzard must learn from other games like ff14 and gw2. They must learn to add staff and stop removing them. In my opinion, they can so easily save the game too but just making older content relative again. But I won't say more. I have talked about this theme far too many times now and I am just tired of it. I do wish only all to play and have fun with the games they are playing, being wow, or ff14 or gw2 or any other game! Have fun all and take care!!
Your take is really interesting because it comes from a very casual player. You usually just hear the super hardcore players when they actually don't represent the majority of the player base on either game.
That's funny about the low DPS surviving fights. I played Druid and preferred to play tank but didn't get a chance to often so… I would play kitty. I was always one of the bottom DPS but I would stay alive like a mofo! 😆. Luckily (?) We had a hard enough time finding enough people anyway so no one got kicked for low DPS. We were a "mostly normal raid level with a bit of heroic" skilled group.
Because WoW had so many add-ons you could get, Blizzard was happy not fixing their crappy UI & leaving that job to unpaid third parties. Many times when a patch would come out if my add-ons weren't updated I wouldn't want to play. And I'm not even talking combat add-ons. I mean things like Bagnon and Auctionator. 😆
let's compare in game summer holidays: WoW: spend hours flying around the world to collect 200 fire blossoms so you can then go buy a piece of transmog. And they haven't updated the holiday for YEARS! 👎 FFXIV: go do a fun little quest line that takes 10 minutes, do one easy FATE with a bunch of other people and get a mount & a fun food item. And they make a new one each year. 👍
I don't know how all the other wow players made it past Cataclysm. I enjoyed Wrath and noped out at the end of Cata.
I started day 1 in WoW almost my entire guild from DaoC came over (around 200). Stayed through Cata and then lost interest. Multiple factors were the reasoning behind it. WoW will always hold a special place in my heart. Met my wife in Feralas she came to rez me as I laid dead on the side of a cliff. 11 years of marriage and 2 children is because of WoW. That being said we've continued to game together since. We started FFXIV in phase 3 beta after we got invited on the PS3. My kids both have XIV accounts and play as well. So many wonderful friendships and close friends have been made over the last 8 years. Gaming in general will do that. In the end it doesn't matter what game you play as long as you enjoy playing it. Live happy and enjoy the things that bring you that happiness.
SPEARS UP!
Warcraft doesn't have a story; it has lore. A history book isn't a storybook. It's not the same thing.
If your complaint in WoW is that your character is too important, I'm not sure how you "square" that will FFXIV, where you are literally Spacecrystal Jesus.
After playing WoW for a few years I was ready for something new when FFXIV 2.0 came out. I brought my friend with me, and he enjoyed it but eventually went back to WoW because he felt too invested in that game, while I stuck with FF. I wish he’d stayed with FF because every time we catch up with each other, I can’t help but notice that he keeps complaining about WoW, and I can’t think of a single thing to complain about FF any more.
Speaking on addons and deadly boss mods, if 95% of your players need third party software to make it through boss fights, doesn’t that mean your game is somewhat broken and unplayable in its natural state?
Honestly it seems like you've barely played wow at all. You just got to max lvl and in bfa you did a small amount of raiding, which is very sad since that's the worst expansion ever made. Leveling in WoW is just content to pad your time playing the game and so that they can sell lvl boosts. The real game starts at the max level and it is a mix of weekly grinds and raids, m+ and pvp arenas, depending on what you're into. Outside of those aspects, WoW offers little to nothing of the side content or if it did it was removed in the next expansion for no reason. I agree that WoW is a bad game and all and as someone who played it as a high end raider I completely understand how you felt when you saw the grind that you'd have to do if you wanted to actually play the game. As said before, it seems that you barely played the game at all and the title is a bit misleading.
As for ff14, I completely agree with you on ARR, I loved that part of the story, it was a world building goodness and the finale was perfection.
MMORPG is a niche enough genre in the grand scale of the gaming industry, but FFXIV attracts so much attention even from those who have never played MMORPGs before. Amazing.
Hunter and Lancer, huh? Guess what classes I picked in WoW and FFXIV? XD
I was brought to WoW by a friend back in BC. Stayed for WotLK and then dipped a bit until Cata. After that I left and never came back. I actually liked lore bits and all, but it was clear my gaming aspirations were different from my friends'. He wanted to reach end game, while I was still picking flowers and making potions. The idea of raiding terrified me, and I know he'd been kicked from a raid group for not being there ONE TIME because of some family event that came up. I also remember nearly being kicked from a party for having rez sickness (but the party lead was a friend of mine) and told that I was playing my class wrong. I also remember being ganked repeatedly in Hillsbrad just trying to finish a single quest… I did kind of like the PVP, I did Alterac Valley and such, but since my friend was Horde, that's what I played, and the Alliance almost always kicked our asses on that server.
A friend also got me into FFXIV many years later. He had an extra code and I tried it out. I was very used to "one and done" quest NPCs I'd never see again, so I didn't really pay enough attention at first. While I did enjoy doing MSQ content with friends, I eventually started venturing out on my own – doing things I wanted like Botany and Carpentry. I wasn't discouraged – one of my friends would get ores or make the metal hinges and ingots I needed to make things. I would grab lumber for them… it was cooperative. And there was more than just that, like you said, there is the Gold Saucer. There's also FC housing, role play, extra cirricular areas of the games, Relics.
Once we all hit that "To be Continued" we stopped playing together as regularly, but we still play. – Together when we can, but we can be in game for over an hour just showing off our latest glams and talking about what we've been doing or want to do ^_^. Triple Triad has me at the moment so I really want to finish that and get my mount before EW comes up. that, and joining a couple communities has made it so I now have a raid static. I'm still terrified, but it's been so much fun. Proggers (Our group) has only been going a couple weeks and it's been a blast. ^-^ We go in blind, get a little better, listen to the experienced ones, try again until we… make proggers (Progress!)
I love nurturing the sprouts, offering advice and such. I love just randomly gifting a token minion, barding or gear piece to some newbie in the starting areas. I love joining the hunt trains and looking at all the cool mounts while we descend on the hunt marks. I love rolling my favorite dungeons and raids, I like the extra areas, the Ocean Fishing, the Ishgardian restoration… I've never stuck with a game this long (4 years now), and….
I would love WoW to get back on its feet. XIV is not a WoW killer, no game ever could be… but there is a rich world in Azeroth. It just needs a little love so it can shine. It needs someone to water its sprouts. I like to treasure memories, so… the good memories I have of WoW (like sneaking into Dwarf country to get a white wolf pet before I should have) will always be there. Have fun.
I had much the same experience as you. leveled to around 30 then shadowlands came out i played it got to max level and lost all will to play it because of the pointless grind.
I have watched many of these comparison videos over the last few months, and one of the biggest things not mentioned that I feel is important is the token system and the materia system found in FF 14 compared to the fact that Blizzard/WoW removed these systems from the game in the from of Badges and Socket system. Instead of giving players a path to obtaining gear and gear sets and agency in term of stats with the Socket system, everything in WoW became this RNG bullshit mess.
I mean in Shadowlands they wanted you to grind out currency and rep so you could buy an item that would let you add a socket on a piece of gear, when gear used to come all sorts of sockets. Then one of the main ways people were gearing up was also via the PVP for PVE because you could actually spend currency and buy gear via a PVP Gear vendor, something that the PVE side of things didn't have.
While FF 14 you have gear vendors and you can target what piece you want to buy and be forced into making decision with gear as to what to spend currency on, but you know you can obtain a piece of gear soon, not hoping for RNG BS were you can raid for 3 weeks with out getting one piece of gear from a raid.
FFXIV is not perfect, it has flaws too and it will be overpowered and dethroned someday. Don't cry when this happens, cuz a lot of people are simping on the characters
Wow must be revived, fixed and remade in 10.0. With Yoshi-P's guidance
Final Fantasy XIV will never be perfect and godlike
Currently taking a break from WoW. Played it since TBC with just a few short breaks (usually end of expansions), but Shadowlands seems to be beyond redemption at this point. After I played through most of my stuff on Steam I finally caved and got the free trial for FF. I agree with some of your points, although I personally struggle a bit with really feeling connected to the story early on. Overall I still prefer the combat of WoW, but I must say the telegraphed spells is a great system as it lets you play the game without addons. The only thing I've used so far is one that enables chat bubbles for other players, which is disabled for some reason in the base game. I've only gotten to level 14 so far and I can't really say I'm hooked, but rather it's a bit refreshing with a change. Overall I still prefer the snappy combat and art style of WoW, but FF has some good qualities as well. I'm just not on board the hype-train so far.
Blizzard had a few expansion in a row now where their attitude has been to not really interact much with community and when they actuall it tends to be very condescending. All the feedback that was given in the beta for BfA and Shadowlands about bad systems got completely ignored for a year before they caved and decided to listen. Ion Hazzicostas trying to explain why bad systems are meaningful and fun when community hates them pretty much says it all.
Hopefully the massive amount of players finally trying other games has been humbling enough for Blizzard to check their attitude going forward.
MoP was the first very commercialized expansion really implement boring timesink and addictive bs monetize mechanics
MOP was also a huge boost for all the selling services.. they made millions selling challenge mode…
The first objective of XIV is to have the player having fun and enjoy their free time in the game, that's it.
I watched 18 mins just to see what he had to say at 18:12 pvp ff14 is still not better then wow alright then.
I don’t feel FFXIV provides that mmo feel beyond the main hang out hubs for the companies. It feels more like a Single player game with mmo elements jammed in. The world is all instanced which makes it feel very small. There is no world pvp and instanced ranked pvp is horrible…. Leveling outside of the MSQ story is pointless and not worth it , so you get no real idea what’s going on in each zone . To progress in the game the MSQ content must be completed so anything beyond those points are gated . Now for wow …somehow they managed to completely destroy what made this game special . In its current state I would not even recommend the game. I have played wow since 2005 , not sure where the game goes from this point . Play FF if you like it . I just pointed out why I tried it and didn’t really enjoy it . GW 2 , New world and Lost Ark will be what I will be playing in 2022 and 2023. If somehow wow does not implode I may play it again someday .
Seriously cant quite catch what everybody finds good about FF14. Camera posititioning is bad in my opinion. Graphics are not very good (Texture and Anti aliasing mainly) very childisch , furry races and the gameplay seems very stale. Im not hating, I even tried it myself now for lvl 10 but what exactly is it that makes people look over these mentioned problems I personally have with the game ?
the thing about addons in ff14 that i really love is that the devs ACTIVELY combat any sort of use of said addon for shaming and critic towards other players, you can and will get banned for using third party info to cast a player out
Your experience is almost exactly the same as mine, started Wow in Vanilla, and started FF slightly earlier. But the reasons given are the exact same as my own. Glad you found a game you enjoy. I fear WOW is doomed for failure and can only be saved when it dies and resurrects as 2.0 🙂 Until then I'm gonna enjoy myself in Eorzea
I started WoW in Vanilla… back in the day used my hard saved money on time cards. (child so no regular income and back in the day parents where not legally required to give pocket money, so we did chores to earn some)
Coming from WC2-3 i knew the story and i was eager to continue it.
At first it was a blast, so much to do, such a big world.
But the world got smaller… or you saw it over and over and it was mostly empty.
Besides Stranglethorn where some "nice" people thought it was funny to lock that zone completely for alliance for weeks. One killsquad at the flightmasters (which where not really protected for alliance) and one killsquad at the cementries so that if you revive there you are stuck.
Other than that people stuck in the big city with the only auction house. Ironforge.
Joined a guild there, drama, guild disbanded around TBC.
Then i joined a lovely guild around WotLK and the people where awesome. All of us casuals but we tried to raid at least two times a week. Nobody got kicked or anything. We kept the toxicity that you had with strangers in Dungeons out.
That went till Pandaria when players where less active and i realized… all i was logging in for was pet battles, reputation grind, archeology and the occasional Teamspeak talk.
Raiding was harder to get people invested cause you got the same things in LFR and their you even had the cheese tactic: "survive 5 min then wipe, repeat till you get enough bonus buffs that you can kill boss while skipping phases"
I did the challenge timerun dungeons in gold….. got the egg. Logged off that day…. and…stopped. I could not motivate me anymore.
Played a few other games till 2.0 came out since i already owned 1.0.
And it hooked me from the start.
The story in WoW while in bits and pieces okay, where just not the same anymore.
I mean we had LK which was good… but even there they just kept the "Horde vs Alliance" thing going needlessly. We fought the big bad just to again go into artificial conflict.
Cata Deathwing…. same pattern. Hell in both Icecrown and Dragonsoul you had a fight against the other faction….. WHY? You have a world dooming threat… but you fight and weaken each other?
Pandaria… if you look the trailer, again human fights orc… wait Panda joins and the human now gives a weapon to the orc to fight together.
Seeing that i was like: "Yes finally the fix the artificial fight and let us work together for the whole of the world."
What they really did: "Find a new race and split them into factions…."
So annoying… it made no sense anymore at all.
It just was to keep the devs the option that if they don't have a story planned they can always go back to "Horde vs Alliance… go" in my opinion
In FF the story is written like a book and it makes you actually care about NPCs.
The story as a whole is in the game and not 30% in the game, 10% in a comic, 10% in something on their website and 50% in books with constant retconns to make no sense at all.
The game itself… i mean one char can do all… meaning i only need to farm stuff once? Perfect. Am i forced to farm even one of the things? No. Perfect.
The decision is mine to make when i want to make it.
It gives me more time if RL stuff hits which makes it feel more suitable while having a job, house,… (Was WoW grinding each day okay? Yes, but back then i had school i had way more freetime and less responsibilities)
It doesn't generate FOMO besides some holiday events.
The communication with the devs feel also way better.
Constant Live Letters, messages, updates on their plans.
Whereas with Blizz you have radio silence most of the time. And when they speak… they go the Allen Brack way (referring to him saying: "You think you do want Classic Servers but you don't"… as if he would know what people want).
The people i found there are exceptional… sure you have your sour apples and anyone who claims there are none has just not yet seen one, but there are way less than in other MMOs (not only WoW)
A few friends started to play and it took them till Stormblood content to encounter their first toxic person.
Overall i miss some of the people from WoW… but for my sanity, enjoyment and freetime FF is just a well rounded full product worth it more.
Im glad to hear you're enjoying the game!
I came to FF14 from a guild in WoW which I considered … different than others, but now that I think about it, my worth in the guild has always been measured by my usefulness in raids and high end content. Case in point, I once asked them: "Hey, I'm a founding member of this guild, I've been here since the beginning? Why am I still in the Social rank (second lowest rank)?" "Because you don't Raid/PvP/Do M+ to be promoted to higher levels?" "And do I need to do these activities to get some recognition as being a contributing member of the guild since day 1?" "Yah…" >.>
The BFA cinematic was insaneeeee i was screaming for the Hordeeee with queen Sylvi, i had soo many expectations 🙁