World of Warcraft’s recent 9.2 patch, Eternity’s End, had a developer preview which stated that the narrative in 9.2 is the closing chapter of a saga which began in Warcraft 3. Final Fantasy XIV Endwalker is the closing chapter to it’s 10 year long story which began before A Realm Reborn. Are these equally earned statements?
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World of Warcraft (WoW) is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) released in 2004 by Blizzard Entertainment. Set in the Warcraft fantasy universe, World of Warcraft takes place within the world of Azeroth, approximately four years after the events of the previous game in the series, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne.[3] The game was announced in 2001, and was released for the 10th anniversary of the Warcraft franchise on November 23, 2004. Since launch, World of Warcraft has had eight major expansion packs: The Burning Crusade (2007), Wrath of the Lich King (2008), Cataclysm (2010), Mists of Pandaria (2012), Warlords of Draenor (2014), Legion (2016), Battle for Azeroth (2018), and Shadowlands (2020).
Similar to other MMORPGs, the game allows players to create a character avatar and explore an open game world in third- or first-person view, exploring the landscape, fighting various monsters, completing quests, and interacting with non-player characters (NPCs) or other players. The game encourages players to work together to complete quests, enter dungeons and engage in player versus player (PvP) combat, however the game can also be played solo without interacting with others. The game primarily focuses on character progression, in which players earn experience points to level up their character to make them more powerful and buy and sell items using in-game currency to acquire better equipment, among other game systems.
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Final Fantasy XIV[b] is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) developed and published by Square Enix. Directed and produced by Naoki Yoshida, it was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows and PlayStation 3 in August 2013, as a replacement for the failed 2010 version of the game, with support for PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, and macOS releasing later. Final Fantasy XIV takes place in the fictional land of Eorzea, five years after the events of the original 2010 release. At the conclusion of the original game, the primal dragon Bahamut escapes from its lunar prison to initiate the Seventh Umbral Calamity, an apocalyptic event which destroys much of Eorzea. Through the gods’ blessing, the player character escapes the devastation by time traveling five years into the future. As Eorzea recovers and rebuilds, the player must deal with the impending threat of invasion by the Garlean Empire from the north.
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00:00 – Introduction
01:20 – External Media
02:24 – FFXIV Narrative
03:52 – Wow’s like DC
05:29 – Warcraft 3’s New Ending?!?!
07:41 – Closing
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9.2 is a joke. I unsubscribed the week before the first raid launched. And none of what they showed so far is going to draw me back in. The whole thing was sad to me. They're trying to compete with 14, but I suspect they'll be eating humble pie. I'm not gonna resub for time walking or mage tower. Nothing in 9.1 got me back, and 9.1.5 is them doing one of their patches wherein they finally implement player "feedback" (that was given to them during beta). 9.2 looks like an Isle of Quel'danas. Nothing new, nothing interesting was shown off. The art and music team have been carrying the whole WoW team for so long that I've become apathetic to them showing off the art.
The only "end of a saga" blizzard can claim is the end of their credibility, their payer's trust and the franchise that once stood towering over the gaming industry.
It is truly a sad time for warcraft fans…
For WoW to improve they need to fire Ion and put someone more competent in charge. If they want to copy FFXIV soo bad, they should start doing exactly that, just like ffxiv did when they removed the director and producer for the game and replaced them with someone who actualy knew WTF he was doing.
What they were going for, they did not earn. What they are getting (loss of sub count en masse and ridicule) they very much did earn, however. It is amazing, actually, how much clearer you can see things once you kick your copium addiction and realize that you are in an abusive relationship.
FFXIV set up Endwalker s the finale so well that there was a lot of speculation that 6.0 was going to be the end of FFXIV as a whole and that the game would go into maininence mode after the Expansion was finished.
The only thing Blizzard was ever good add Copy Pasta of other ideas.
>agree with the video's premise, don't care for marvel films :CurbYourEnthusiasmShrug.jpeg:
Blizzard, its developers, Ion, anyone associated and profiting from this company, yeah you can all go to hell. I'll never support anyone that does buisness with those people, including all the dev's that jump ship. Pretty much boycotting the entire gaming industry at this point, excluding a few indie games.
good example
When I heard complete of a saga all I heard was we are not doing 9.3 and will go straight to 10.0 after 9.2. We have had two bad expansions. WoD was last time we didn't get a .3. I dont want this to be the norm.
Holy shit the MCU vs DC comparison is spot on. I also immediately thought of the Disney Star Wars trilogy that had no overall plan before they made it then declared "This is the end of the Skywalker Saga!" when trying to convince people to see Rise of Skywalker.
WoW has not had a story plan for a long time now. I'm really wondering if they are gonna pull a FF14 1.0 wipe the whole thing and start over and the next expansion will be "Azeroth Reborn".
They did not earn anything and this is all very cringe.
9.2 looks like a shitty copy of coils of bahamut. For real
Wow had a saga going in that disjointed mess?
I really don't see them getting their story back on track after shadowlands. All the major villains were killed/banished expansions ago, and the only things they got left is Sargeras or Old God stuff but i don't think many care about the latter enough to come back with them as a focus for an Xpac, especially after BFA.
This makes the WoW devs look even more pathetic
There's actually another game that end their saga, Guild Wars 2 with End of Dragons. This game has race called Asura that has a city similar with that 9.2 area. Asura creation also similar with the creatures in Zereth Mortis. It's just an fyi
Blizz really be like that kid who copies another kids homework and changes it enough to not get caught, except he doesn't understand the content so it results in a very confused essay with no substance.
Seriously though, I know taking elements from other games and reimagining them has always been WoW's thing, but lately it comes off more as a Chinese knock off than anything of really value. Really reeks of desperation as well with how blatant and obvious it is.
I honestly don't think WoW itself earned any of its big moments since Cataclysm; I'm not even sure it earned the big scenes in Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King, since both of those relied heavily on Warcraft II and III.
Like Asmongold said "It's the end of a chapter but we didn't know we were reading a book until now."
WoW has always tired to steal other games thunder. This is just more of the same. The thing is…. I don't think they realize how obvious this is to everybody.
That's exactly what I thought about 9.2 when they started calling it the end of a saga. I'm not a WoW player but none of the discourse around the game for the last 7-8 months has painted the shadowlands story as some grand conclusion people were waiting for.
Really screamed desperation to me in a time where Blizzard needs to stand firm with a clear vision for the future.
This is basically
Ff14 beats world of Warcraft almost at everything story , game , design, class, everything. And plus, look at YouTube and Facebook and twitter people are lambasting the hell out of wow and jumping on the hate bandwagon. Also, even if 10.0 is good or amazing the so called “community” will still bully wow and insult it.
And I bet the so called community wants WOW to die anyways everywhere I go and read or watch all I see is “I hope wow dies and shut down and hope that ff14 destroys blizzard and wow”. To add one more thing world of Warcraft looks a hell a lot better than say FF14 ever could be.
I'm not going to say for certain that I believe one way or another. But between the timing of the Legion timewalking event and its FOMO nature, their sudden and out of nowhere declaration that this is the end of a saga, just… It's enough to raise an eyebrow. I don't know if they're lifting ideas or acting in desperation trying to feed on the hype generation and are just tonedeaf on why people are actually excited, or whatever it may be. But it's enough all at once to leave me wondering.
There's a lot of anger and hate around the game already. So it's really easy to start making some overly pessimistic statements, and I am aware of that. So I don't want to make any kind of firm assertion in either direction, but it really does feel… Desperate in some ways. It's really difficult to look past the way they treat their playerbase, acting as if they don't know what they want ("you think you do but you don't"), and how full of contempt they are for them. On the one hand… Maybe it was their plan and they just told us about it at the worst possible time. Maybe it was a spur of the moment thing and they think their players are dumb enough to buy into it en masse and bring them all back. I just don't know, and that's why I want to reserve full judgement on their ethics. But from the sounds of it, whether this was intentionally sleazy or not, it's just not going to have the payoff they wanted anyways.
1. the zone. it is a copy paste from bastion meets nagrand. this time floating circle stuff.
2. the narrative. well i dont need to play the game for the story when they said everything in the video. so the game play is more of a grind, and no surprises. steve also mentioned he is a lore buff and cant wait for the players to unlock the story as they play through it. well steve didnt realize, and yet again, just re watch the video the story was told.
3. out of touch. the dev team again has shown the disconnect from the community. the tier sets that was brought back. morgan, i believe her name is, said we are bringing back sets and we the dev team are glad they are coming back. question then, why were they removed? [because they didnt see a major drop in subs]
4.the blue post. on wowhead, a blue mentioned, this is something we bring later into the expac. this is what the players have been upset with, why wait for the last patch to fix things, ignoring the feedback to then all of a sudden listen.
this is normal, the players, well some, are happy falling for the well at least they are listening. not realzing this is normal. fix things in the last patch and go back to ignoring us for the next expac so we people will buy it again, and go through the cycle again. conclusion, blizzard dont play their game. they remove what we love, and put in what we hate, me, played that game since cata till 9.0 for ff14. not going back, to little to late. ion runs the team, which will have the same problems. i have no trust in blizzard anymore. and i pray the servers get shut down.
cause they dont care about nothing related to the universe they destroyed.
I want to blame the merger with Activision as Blizz downfall but I can't say that with all certainty because of the many times Blizz had to fix stuff. People been getting robbed by bliz when they started rolling out reskins of already existing races and sold us to us as "new" race/classes. Basically WoW has been reskinning it's whole game for the better half of the last decade people had so much hope for advancement they stayed around and got dupped for their loyalty that's why I think so many ppl left WoW not the story or the narrative. People just sick of Blizz lack of care and blatant water downed content which feels like a betrayel of trust for the people who have invested so much time in a product they believed in.
It’s gonna be weird and exciting at the the end of FF14 6.0, i wonder what’s gonna happen next?
NICE VIDEO
The entire presentation video of 9.2 was poorly thought out and executed
Legion would of been a better time for Blizzard to say "an end of a saga." Since the Burning Legion was experienced, to some degree, in WC3. Not to mention all the mentions of the Burning Legion in the various expansions of WoW.
I just finished ARR, you are correct that Zodiark is mentioned in a cut scene after the fight with Ultima Weapon.
"If Final Fantasy 14 decided to completely destroy one of it's major cities. I can almost guarantee they would handle it with veritas" There is no "almost guarantee", they have 100% such devestationed many many areas in the game not to mention the realm itself =)
People should have a more realisitic look at FF14 instead of just loving everything thrown their way. Shadowbringers had a BUNCH of problems that simply made me quit the game (The whole story in the First being a bad filler arc, forcing me to become WoD against my Will, Antagonists whose agenda are more compelling as the 'good' side, nonsensical Time Travel), which makes the universal praise for it all the more puzzling. Endwalker is not guaranteed to please everyone and a "Mass Effect 3" or "Game of Thrones Season 8" can still happen.
bro… did you really just try to say FF14 had amazing writing and within the same breath compare it to MARVEL!?!? So your telling me you think Marvel as grade A top tier writing when they loosly tie together Marvel endgame!?!?!
Bro… Marvel was not "Setting the stage!" for endgame for over 20 years… They recycle their same old hero's again and again and again because they cant write anything original, they just lean back onto their work from the 1980's!!! They didnt "set up and plan end game perfectly" they found a big phat purple sized hole in the story and said "YO WE CAN MAYBE FINALLY DO SOMETHING HERE! WE ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT HIIIIMMMMMMM!!!"
Bro… I had to unsub, just on principal, I cant accept Marvel being praised for "literary genius" when their rehashing IP older then you or me for the 40th time in a row because nothing they do that's actually "original" sticks. Literally the ONLY reason we have a "Marvel universe" is because waaaaay back in the day the realized they could sell more comics and toy's via cross promotion if they just made all their separate stories part of one universe…
I refuse, I rebuke, I need to wash my eyes and ears out with bleach now… I'll accept the newer Marvel movies being something decent to watch at 3 am when your hammered and half out of it, "good writing" or anything grater and I need to speculate if it's a paid promotion, pure falsehoods.
I totally agree! Things about WC3 is straight up insulting! But we didn't end there. This is so pathetic end the saddest part that a lot of wow players will eat it. Sadge. Can't wait for xmas to play Endwaker tho!
Blizzard has and will continue to rip off everything that is currently popular cause they can't write anything original to save their life. The Jailer is just Thanos and our BBEG of the xpac. None of this ties back to Warcraft 3. The only character that would is Sylvanus and she is more interesting back then than now. She was only pushed to the forefront for diversity sake in Legion. And promoted so in BFA along side the other 2 strong female leads, Jaina and Azhara. There is no weight to this conflict at all. It is never explained why the Jailer is a threat to us. I am tired of having one big bad.
Here's an example. FF14 players got excited about their characters going to the moon in Endwalker because back in Heavensward the narrative established a connection between the villain group and the moon, that was three expansion prior, and then Shadowbringers reminded them of the connection before the Endwalker trailer had even come out.
Blizzard, you can't END a saga that you never properly started. My god the "US TOO!" vibe is so strong off them.
Someone should ask Blizzard why the new zone looks and sounds like "Al'Taieu" from FF11.
Y'know what makes this even more hilarious? Destiny 2 has been doing the "saga" thing for years, they even namedropped three future expansions in 2020. Last February they publicly named the Light and Darkness Saga, the story they've been telling since 2014, and this August announced the expansion that concludes that saga.
And from what I've heard, Guild Wars 2 has been doing something similar.
Which means actually planning ahead your expansions to write a saga isn't a new thing at all, Blizzard only suddenly cared when their "competition" did it lol. They really are just parroting FFXIV in a desperate attempt to keep what few players they have left.
There has been no saga in world of warcraft. They came up with shadowlands and at that point in time (2 years ago) they took elements from previous events and retrofitted this new villain to have been manipulating events from behind the scenes. They have not earned to call that the end of what was SET UP in warcraft 3 and trying to is manipulative as fuck toward the players, even if the devs didn't intend it to be. So I can totally see that they didn't foresee this backlash to that statement. I have no idea if haedelyn and Zodiarks battle was ever gonna be resolved with in the story of FF14 or its expansions but the elements and the intent of a conclusion to those factions feels earned.
I do have a sliver of hope that this ending may lead to a beginning we can all find joy in with 10.0, I dont have much hope though since watching the ARR documentary it was clear that 2 years and a ridiculous workload only worked with an executive plan setup and followed before the project even started. And in Blizzards current condition they're at an even bigger disadvantage. Yoshi P has become a legend of videogame development for a reason. Realising and trying to replicate that is but 20% of what is required to make it happen, theres 30% of the dev team having as much motivation as the leader, 30% blood sweat and tears and the last 20% is chance, unless you give them more time.
Also a funny thing to note. If you think Blizz putting the word "SHADOW" in Shadowlands was a councidence after SE did Shadowbringers, what do you think about Blizz putting the word "END" in Eternity's End after SE's Endwalker?
The moment they implanted time gates, and more FOMO to the game, they lost it all. Unfortunately these guys will never learn. It's a shame really, cause the ideas for 9.2 were really looking nice… But all together there is no point at the end to even try it out. The "preview" literally gave us full summary of what is going to happen, what to do, and what to expect fully. Not a single "play to find out"… just give us full story right now… I can't believe these guys are veteran developers. Sorry but I just can't. I am a complete amateur developer, and I am slapping my face from all these mistakes, or the part that they say they wanted and /or they were looking forward to bring back systems that they themselves removed because they said "you don't want that "…. so yeah, I don't want that. I don't want to play a game, that is no more a game. I do give my best wishes to the community though, cause Warcraft, it has been indeed one of the best franchises that were first made, and it did inspired many, like me to, to pursue game development. And I do wish the game will be saved from someone at least that knows what to truly do too
PS: I too believe warcraft 3 was fully concluded at the lich king expansion.
Like I'm not gonna accuse WoW of copying FFXIV. But the fact that FFXIV releases an expansion called Shadowbringers, then WoW releases Shadowlands, then FFXIV has a finishing saga capstone expansion called Endwalker, then WoW has a finishing saga capstone patch called Eternity's End… It just looks sus is all I'm saying.
Blizzard: we are ending our saga…
Me in confusion state uwu?
Your over thinking it