Xeno Reacts to PlayerScope, a Final Fantasy 14 Plugin (third party tool) that offers a wide range of features to track and stalk other players. This plugin is able to work thanks to the blacklist changes Final Fantasy XIV introduced in Dawntrail and it’s existence will almost certainly make Square Enix take action as players are complaining of invasion of privacy. This is Xeno’s take on the PlayerScope Drama.
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The good thing is that this won't affect 99% of xeno's community. Because we don't even play the game xffing
Any "good" aspect of this is shortsighted at best and terrible at worst
lol this game gonna be killed by addons as well as no content and by people cheating content. By not controlling addons it’s gonna turn into a big mess. Who knew.
Anti cheat is coming, les gooo
the Plugin PlayerScope got taken today down from GitHub
But Question. If I have my whole lodestone privated aka every option set to hidden and I’m erased from lodestone search does this still show me?
Something that can be done with the plugin is tracking marketboard undercutting and/or monopolies, when certain players log in to do their retainers (or other activities), etc. This enables targeting, harrassment, witch hunts, mass account-wide reporting, etc. Unbelievable.
What is more concerning is how this game's community got to this point in the first place. Why its social culture has developed to where on one side of the isle, you have some of the worst, possibly at-risk anti-social people who do extremely weird things to others in game, and on the flip side, you have people who are so obsessed with keeping their in-game space 'safe' that being stalked in-game makes them have a mental break down and feel as though their safety is at risk. One group honestly just straight up attracts the other because both are mentally ill.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of players (specifically women) who have been stalked online through this game and have had at minimum, hate-speech or hate-speech adjacent, or sexual misconduct/harassment committed against them, and that's a legitimate problem. But in almost all of these cases it's due to relationships that have been built outside of the game and they get doxed in some way due to bad internet safety.
FF14 is not IRL. You're not in danger because someone is stalking you in game. You try to tell police that you're in danger, naw- actually, tell anyone outside of this game that you feel in danger because someone's stalking you in it. Go ahead. See how crazy they'll look at you. This community has always had its priorities completely backwards. There are people advertising their fetishes on crystal's PF and there are kids who play this game and are allowed to under square's terms of service. Putting MDNI in your ad or your search info doesn't suddenly absolve you of responsibility when it comes to not harming minors because you're flaunting content that minors shouldn't even be seeing in the first place. It's like second-hand grooming and the (E)RP community (the community that cares most about stalking) is to blame for it.
Jesus Christ, this is some "Welcome to the Game" developer levels of creepy. Same thing with Gshade. It's legitimately concerning. The Github is gone, which is great and all, but let's be real – someone could easily fork it and change the name in order to keep it under the radar.
To be fair, it was stupid of SE to send ID's without crypting it and make it work server side, it's the basics of every single WEBSITE not even programs or apps, which usually require the same level of security, they were asking for this kind of trouble.
I'm taking a break from the game until something is done to resolve this, I love FFXIV and think all of the people shouting "dead game" are stupid as shit, as per usual as it's a CONSTANT thing people bitch about even during the game's peak, but idk if I want to risk some asshole getting pissed or a rando overly attached and using this to dig into my account, and I don't believe I have anything to "hide" or worry about but THIS amount of info makes me worried that more can and will be pulled in time if this shit isn't dealt with in some capacity.
There is zero positive spin you could give this plug in. There is no reason for anyone to have this information unless its willingly given to you by the player. Like even some of the worst offended plug ins can be spun with 'well vison disabilities, motor function disabilities, people playing with limited hand movement' like fine sure, I bet thats 2% of the people who use it but alright. Who care's if someone who's legally blind is using cammy to better see the arena so they can just try their hand at raid content and raid with their casual static? Who care's if someone with motor skills uses cactar because their hand eye coordination is impaired and the heads up helps them adjust. There not doing world first I don't care. But THIS is wild.
The developer is most likely a stalker and the opt-out form is a telltale sign.
the community is what pushes me further away from the game lol
At this point I wont be suprised if Yoshi goes out with a dissapointed face and says" No more mods, we gonna add anti-cheat"
It's funny how FFXIV is reaching a point where addons/plugins are both keeping the game alive and killing it at the same time. The complete lack of action and clarity about the subject is pretty amusing.
The game is already losing players for other reasons. Trying to address anything about plugins/addons right now would only make it worse, no matter the path they choose. I guess that's the price for taking things for granted for so long now.
Lets be honest…What can ppl really do to you in game other then get on your nerves?
So, I have had full on stalkers in XIV.. for a l o n g time. It's absolutely terrifying and scary. I don't understand why people would do stuff like this ):
the plugin is wrong yes but your using dalamud which is a third party tool
I bet a dollar if you go to their discord to opt out, they need/get your info TO opt you out. So they get you info either way…
The dalamud devs claiming anticheats wouldnt work against this are just saying this so people dont demand anticheat and take their secondlife mods away. Anticehat can prevent "mainstream access" by simply terminating the process when something like CE or Wireshark are ran
Okay, but lets not pretend that FF14 doesn't have a stalking problem, even without mods/plugins.
The blacklist/ignore system is a joke. You can't see them or what they say but they can still see you and what you say? They can still player search for you, look up your lodestone, etc. (My friends and I tested it.) So…I think square needs to worry about it on their side of things as well.
With stuff like this and cheating. I'm really starting to count the days until SE introduces some kind of anti-cheat to XIV. It would be bad because it would hurt people who use costmetics mods, but if some people can't appreciate the state we're in now and have to use plugins like this. Sorry, but that's too much.
When i saw the title, I thought this was going to operate just how most games do, getting logon alerts and seeing location, like what is just built into most games. No this takes things way further.
sup ACT andys and this is why addons in ff14 are not allowed they make security risks like this
This is the sort of shit that is going to get all mods banned. we can't have nice things anymore like just aesthetic mods, someones always gotta go out and ruin it for everyone else
Why the fuck are they doing the blacklist filtering on client side and solving it by sending ids. This is basic security 101, you don't send information to the client that it doesn't need to know… Just block all the messages server side… Are the devs stupid?
Anyone found with it installed should just get a permanent ip ban from the game.
SquareEnix made this kind of data available? Pretty crappy and irrisponsible
Tbh.. ive got a rly bad feeling when i saw in the clip a character of a player i know.
Not so fun fact: The person who made that plugin wanted to track people who undercut them on mb. "Stalker plugin" is exactly what this is meant to be
oh this is similar to wow add ons. We have one guy stalked my bf because he keeps dying lol from him (some pvp island). Little did he knows I was in his guild lol.
Yeah, I'm just not going to be logging in until this is fixed.
Just another reason why the ff14 community is creepy af. Mods/addons need to be banned, the cons far out way the positives. Had a friend who was stalked because they had an addon that let them see where they were on the world map, coordinates and everything.
I'll say it, Yoshi P is a coward.
The thing is, it's already released into the wild. Even if the main download is removed, it's too late. This is only something SE can address by fixing their data security.
At this point, SE needs to burn it all down. Full lockdown, ban hammer activated. No more good faith for the community. Any plugin detected? Temp ban. Repeat offence? Perm ban. The community brought this on themselves.
I can smell lawsuit from afar.
the only good I can see is if you are sellig rare something on AH and a potential buyer can offer a "sell now" price. But other than that, yeh it's super sus
Just…ignore any stalker and move on? Shit like this will always exist in mmos, ffxiv is no different.
not sure if I would say this gives "way too much information"
I agree that there is some information there that would be incredibly hard if not impossible to find out without this stalker plugin
But most of what it's showing you has always been very public either by right clicking them in game (with no plugins) or just a character search on the lodestone
The information that's concerning and the reason why people think this is just absolutely terrible is
1. All ALTs information <——————
2. Retainer names
3. And last login information(maybe, because this can largely be obtained from the lodestone itself. It's a problem if it's still getting accurate login information from private lodestone profiles! Not sure if that's the case)