Oh no imagine if all the non-savage raiding PEASANTS got item levels similar to ours in a PvE VIDEO GAME! What would the world come to!? How DARE people want to take part in my hobby! How dare they! Filthy Rats! Sickness must be burned! (Yes I’m quoting the heavensward dungeon boss! LOL)
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0:00 Gatekeeping Gearing in FFXIV
0:25 Gatekeeping and why I oppose it so strongly
1:57 SHOCKING COMMENT!
2:03 Relic Weapons should be BiS this late into a tier
3:10 End of Tier and Gear Expiration Dates
3:30 Xeno’s Comment on on Relic Stats
4:10 Raid loot lockouts so late is lame
4:40 Why it’s lame and player consequences
5:15 Xeno’s Comments on Making the gear system as miserable as possible
5:30 Consequences
6:22 Why does this need to be gatekept lol
7:00 Steps that could improve the gear system
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"Could you imagine if we let PEASANTS get the same item level as us GLORIOUS SUPERIOR INFINITELY BIG WRINKLY BRAINED SAVAGE RAIDERS? THE GAME WOULD NEVER RECOVER!"
Y'know what? I agree, Relic weapons SHOULD be BiS.
To be fair, this isn't just a problem in XIV, it's a general MMORPG progression problem. That doesn't excuse it and I expect this team to do better, but they are falling into the old traps. Just freaking change it. I thought ultimate and mythic raiding and what not is about beating the boss and teamwork. BTW, your idea for tomestone caps, I think this is exactly what WoW is doing with their new gearing system in the next patch so don't tell me XIV can't do it.
who's voice are you using in 11ai
I'd almost want to throw my hat into the ring to raid with you and your BF, but I'm not quite sure I'm good enough. I wish you luck in your search!
Is this…this IS Cole Evyx, right?
Your voice sounds…different. I thought at first maybe this was your BF doing a guest spot – I agree with everything said, btw – but…huh. New microphone? 😀 You sound like the narrator of something. Law & Order type stuff. "These are their stories…" I don't think the Devs do this maliciously, but I do agree it could be better.
Not ragging, it's awesome. 😀 I'm just curious of the technical and/or biological mechanics at play. : )
You just sound…….okay, I'm gonna say it:
You sound. SOOO. COOL!!
Your voice just somehow sounds so chill and badass and cool. No idea how that works, but either way, it…does? /shrug
Pretty sure they left the relic weapons slightly below to give value to eureka orthos.
The lock on gear was to keep high end raiders more involved for longer, but with people doing alt clears for gear it's honestly stupid to keep it lock beyond a patch.
This video should also be posted on eharmony
gearing and the patch content being so shyt while wow is now doing the oppositenin 10.1
Totally agree with all of these points. As to why people resistant, I think it has to do with people just not wanting things to change. Things have been this way for a while and they get comfy in the sameness it brings. Can’t say I blame people that like the current system and don’t want it to change.
But inspite of that changes do need to be made just given how open, varied and casual much of the content is and should be capable of granting alternatives to making the number go up. Just cause people don’t do savage doesn’t mean they don’t want that big juicy number! I know I do.
I agree that the relic should be BiS – and not just at the end of the patch cycles before the next Expac drops, like has been in the past. But if you do that, I think the augment upgrade (bought with coins from the Alliance Raid) for the current tomestone gear needs to drop beforehand. Keeping the Augment locked to those only doing Savage until nearly the end of the tier is just a little too long, if it's going to be overwritten by Relic BiS.
I hate the Loot system. With most statics I ran with, I as Tank always ended up being low priority to receive Gear.
Member replacement, Static disbands and two kicks due to a immature behavior in the past pushed back my personal goals of being BIS by several weeks. Sure we have Books but that is like a drop on a hot stone especially when you cleared the final Tier of the Raid for the 8th time it's more of a middle finger.
If I could change anything about the Loot System I would do the following:
– Link the Mount to the first clear Achievement
– Accessory, Head, Hands, Feet: 1 Book Trade-in
– Weapon, Chest, Legs: 2 Book Trade-in
And once the Raid release patch hits vX.xx5 just drop the darn Loot restriction.
And after that every Gear in the follow up content can be on par with the Raid gear as long as it's not sharing the same model.
Whose voice is that????
While I agree it should be 635 I don't care either way. I like soloing raids when you can. I dislike it when you over power a raid or trial but it's got that instakill mechanic. So for me I am like let old content not do that passed a certain point.
I've always despised the fact that crafted gear is better than last tier's raid gear when a new tier comes out, it makes absolutely no sense and it really makes gearing feel pointless unless you're parsing or getting to ultimate
2200 hrs in, and I have NEVER stepped foot inside any sort of savage, unreal raid. I never will because gearing is so brutal. I agree with you 100%
That was a good video. I get theres a lot for people to complain about but this was a nice change from the usual "everything is shit right now".
The other thing I'd really like, is to not have the loot lockout if you don't clear fights in order each week. Sure, if you haven't cleared the fight at all, I don't think you should be able to skip it.
My static can only meet on saturday. And we're behind due to people not showing up, and now recruiting. So I hate that I can't prog our current fight, without giving up gear if I don't first get my weekly clear on the previous fights.
Its not a problem
1. ULT should require BiS bc there the hardest content
2. BiS should be difficult/ grind to require , if everyone could get BiS then it would hold no value. On that note relic is to easy to aquire right now so it can't be BiS with this mind set.
3. All raid can be done in PF and most ULT . You do t need a static played for 8 years and all raid and most ULT I cleared in PF .
Pf is easy and have group rules / strats that everyone one knows so I can work out .
Gatekeeping is always bad, but i somehow agree with what's the point of try hard in raiding if everyone else who doesn't raid can have equal BiS?
But it's already 6 months, i think it's fine now. Nothing special anymore for beating p8s now. I would hardly disagree if its like first 1-3 months.
BiS is irrelevant anyway if you dont do ultimate on the tier, example DSR with asphodelos, TOP with abyssos. Maybe for glamour purpose yes. Because BiS is the finish line of your savage raid. And it will become useless when next tier release, go to pentamelded crafted gear again, your BiS become glamour.
I don't even think about trying Savage raiding. Maybe my years of raiding in WoW burned me out. That and my work schedule is all over the place it would probably be hard to commit to a group that raids on x and y days.
Seems like the 14 devs are happy with bad / casual players clearing Savage raids when they're not current level anymore.
Absolutely in love with your serious topic voice.
Respect your heart
"People should be able to access freely"
But you complained that "everyone was using the chest armor with the flaming circle without needing to clear Savage "
I'm getting mixed messages or I'm missing something :/
I'm so glad I don't give a shit about difficult content, this seems miserable
A lot of people lost raid statics it seems this tier. Mine disbanded due to how generally unfun the last tier and current tier are/were. We broke up right before finishing Phase 1 of P8S.
I may be a little pessimistic, but the only real reason I can think of for keeping the current gearing systems is for subscription retention. Like the whole stay subbed or lose you house system. More gear is great for everyone, mounts, glams and titles are more than enough to flex your achievements.
Getting a static is already incredibly hard (more so for a super shy and introvert person like me who is far too scared to get in pf) . After my bf's static I was in got kinda bored and did not feel like continuing after p7s, my bf made a new static for us with fc members. Yesterday after a few weeks we finally got p8s 1st part enrage. And that after always having substitutes pitching in from other fc members. Otherwise we would have never been able to. I do hope we manage to clear it before the new tier.
Now to the subject of gear.
It always makes me feel like I'm "too bad" for content. To be worthless if I do not raid and do not have a certain ilvl. I never have been able to be BiS before. It would be the first time for me if we manage our kills soon. But then the new raid tier is already on the horizon so all of it would be completely obsolete again. It's quite the depressing loop.
* Lockouts should roll-over: 1 book and 450 tomestones each week maybe to a max of 3 weeks.
* Crafted and normal raid gear should be the same ilevel as the previous tier's BIS.
* Relic should be viable as entry weapon for a raid tier.
I got shot down on reddit ages ago for staying normal trails should drop weapon loot. And saying savage gear drops are dumb. But if you say anything bad about SE and their systems that are in alot of ways completely fucking stupid you get flames.
I said in another video that gamers have been drama queens, this is why. Ppl saying the situation is miserable is overdramatizing it. It could be better sure, but miserable? You got to be shitting me. Edit: also this is why certain changes into the game have been applied in a poor way, because poor formulated feedbacks have been given and now we have the current relic quest. I'm tired of having to tell ppl to be more mindful of what they wish for and not just following emotional responses but you know what? keep going on, won't be the first nor the last creator getting burned like Fox has with Lost ark
Ffxiv sucks
So I dont know what data center or server any of you are on but if it helps I craft the new gear every tier, and I only charge basic mats for it if Im struggling to get something maybe that otherwise just give me a smile and promise to have fun. Typically I put up party finders giving away the gear to make sure others have. I dont charge gil cause I believe that everyone should have the gear they need. If you can make it to me I usually have week 1 new crafted stuff. So if you need it and you can make it to Faerie- Shirogane plot 30, Ward 25 I will hook you up! My name in game is Lamb Knight. I lead Ominous and our FC loves to help out! If you need a run for stuff were happy to help as well. Unfortunately we havent touched Ultimate content, but many of us do savage tier. No this doesnt solve it but it helps though. Sorry this was a long message but I believe like you that everyone should be able to play the game. And this offer is for anyone reading this message. But please remember Im just one person and though alot of my FC gathers I take request as I get them and make things in batches so it could be a few hours to get your gear.
I think another thing that contributes to the gatekeeping is logs. These ppl who got BiS early on are at the top of the leaderboards and all numbers after that are compared to theirs, meaning you can have an amazing run in pre/partial-BiS and your whole team will still parse gray. Until someone is in BiS gear, they can't even begin to compete. I'm sure several of them are afraid of someone who started late coming in now, getting full BiS after only a few weeks of raiding, and suddenly doing better than them, pushing them out of their top spots before next tier.
Either you should start a new career as voice actor or do you have a new mic?? o.O
Frosty on MogTalk covered this with Xeno and Mr. Happy, and I agree with Mr. Happy…going either 100% vertical or 100% horizontal are neither good for the game. The game should incorporate an even amount of both vertical and horizontal progression, which they all should be considered for BiS. So all current content should be Savage/Ultimate appropriate gear. I really do think that other raid contents like the 24 man should have the same ilvl as current Savage/Ultimate content and Savage type dungeons like the Criterion dungeons should drop raid ilvl gear comparable to real Savage. And relic shouldn't be considered a glamour object because it is useful for like a few weeks before it gets replaced by your Savage weapon. It should be comparable because it is a relic. IMHO, I think they need to get out of their mindset of casual vs hardcore players for gearsets and treat all gearsets as hardcore instead.
Thank you for mentioning Criterion Dungeons in regards to gearing. Yoshi-P specifically said that Criterion's difficulty was based on having the BiS of the Savage tier and that those who have cleared Abyssos early will have a smoother time doing ASS. This is a fine incentive to reach BiS via Savage….but it also nukes the player activity on that content, because not everyone clears Savage or even reaches BiS by the time the half patch comes around. Yeah, the rewards from Criterion are trash too, we all know that – but if its difficulty wasn't skewed toward i630-635, I feel more people would be doing it for the fun and challenge of it. (yes ASS's ilvl req is 615 but I'm running off what Yoshida said in that LL.. and 15-20 ilvl difference is DAMN)
My static has severe scheduling issues. We can be lucky if we have 10 pulls of P8S per week. The rest of the time is spend on reclears. We still haven't cleared. We are still not BiS. Almost everyone needs the weapon and the chest piece.
If only there was a way to acquire a BiS weapon through a long grind that can be done without a static. That would definitely help not wiping to P8S enrage by less than 1%.
If only there was a way to skip the reclears every week. That would give us time to actually spend more than an hour on the fight we are progging…
I only started raiding last raid tier since that was the first time I was current. I raided in other games for gear progression and had no idea what it was like in this game. So when I started raiding here, that's what I raided for. But I took this raid tier off because I realized that it was pointless to raid for gear progression since all the hours I spent getting the gear I felt was thrown away when the new raid tier came out, instead of building upon it. I hate how they handle that, and how it's thrown away for pentamelded crafter sets. I wish they'd make it so that the crafter set was just a means of catch up gear or alternative gear for if you decide to go in on another role.